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SELECT COMMITTEE ON ENTERPRISE AND SMALL BUSINESS díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 18 May 2005

Estimates for Public Services 2005.

Vote 34 — Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment (Revised).

There are no apologies. Deputy Howlin is unavoidably absent because of a funeral he has to attend.

The purpose of today's meeting is to consider the Estimates for 2005 falling under the remit of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. The proposed timetable for the meeting was circulated to members. It allows for an opening statement by the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Martin. Hopefully, the opening statement will not last longer than ten minutes, as suggested in the timetable. Discussion on the individual sub-headings will be grouped together by way of a question and answer session. Is that agreed? Agreed.

On behalf of the Select Committee on Enterprise and Small Business, I welcome the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Martin. I am also pleased to welcome the Ministers of State at the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputies Michael Ahern and Killeen. This is the first time we have had three Ministers from the Department attending the committee at the same time. It shows the importance in which the Minister, the Ministers of State and the Department officials view the discussion with the committee on the Estimates.

They will have to read it again.

I just hope members are prepared for this. I invite the Minister to make his opening statement.

I am privileged and honoured to come before the committee to address the issue of my Department's Estimate for 2005, in my capacity as Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment. I apologise for a head cold which may mean consequential irritation for members who have to listen to the changing tone of my voice.

I hope it is not because of the green weekend the Minister had in Cork.

The total Estimate for 2005 is €1.230 billion, an increase of 9.4% on last year. The brief circulated to the committee itemises the 2005 Estimate amounts to be approved. It also shows the corresponding outturn figures for 2004.

Following a robust performance in 2003, the Irish economy continued to grow throughout 2004, helped by the recovery in economic activity globally, particularly in the United States. Gross financial product grew in real terms by 5.5% in 2004 and the corresponding GDP growth rate was 4.9%. This strong growth is reflected in aggregate employment levels which increased by over 55,000 to 1.89 million during the year, with unemployment falling to 4.3% for the final quarter of 2004. Initial forecasts for 2005 suggest continued economic growth in Ireland.

Employment growth in 2004 was led by the construction and private services sectors. Construction employment rose by almost 10%. Employment in private services experienced its fastest growth rate since 2000, with a 3.8% rise in 2004. Financial and support services were the fastest growing areas in this sector. Unfortunately, the more traditionally export-orientated industrial sectors did not experience the same growth rates observed in the overall economy. Financial and support services were the fastest growing areas in this sector. Unfortunately, the more traditional export-oriented industrial sectors did not experience the growth observed in the overall economy. Full-time permanent employment in manufacturing firms fell for the fourth successive year, with job losses outweighing job gains by 3,302. Most of these losses were accounted for by traditional manufacturing sectors such as textiles, clothing and paper and printing. In contrast, modern sectors with a strong export base like chemicals and medical devices enjoyed net increases in employment, mainly through increases in the employment levels of foreign companies. Employment increases in the electronics sector marked a turnaround after three years of retrenchment. The internationally traded services sector continued to expand in 2004, helping to offset some of the job losses in the manufacturing sector. International trading services companies supported by the agencies recorded a 1,783 net gain in jobs in 2004.

The quality of jobs in firms supported by the development agencies has also continued to improve when measured in terms of productivity. Latest data available for 2003 show that total value added per employee in agency supported firms increased by an annual average of 7.7% between 2000 and 2003 in nominal terms. This supported growth in total payroll costs per employee of 6.6% over the same period. National data for 2004 suggests that average weekly manufacturing pay grew by a similar magnitude as in 2003.

Subhead F of the Department Vote in science and technology has been increased by 12% in 2005 and an additional €10 million has been added by way of capital carryover. The spend in this subhead has increased from €28 million in 2000 to €228 million in 2005. This reflects my belief that the ability to create and exploit knowledge is an integral feature of every successful advanced economy. Research and development is at the heart of Ireland's economic development strategy.

In the national development plan, we are achieving a fivefold increase in investment in technology, innovation and scientific research. Spending of €2.5 billion is planned for the period 2000 to 2006, compared with €500 million over the period 1994 to 1999. This is aimed at building the skills for a modern knowledge-based economy and strengthening our research base.

We have achieved some notable successes under the NDP. Science Foundation Ireland has already provided over €450 million in research support involving more than 1,000 individuals, research teams, centres and visiting researchers. Several other Departments and agencies, including Enterprise Ireland and IDA Ireland, are delivering the research programmes in the NDP. This is also the case across Departments. The Department of Education and Science and the Higher Education Authority PRTLI scheme have helped to create a core physical and human foundation for research excellence. Our integrated science awareness programme, "Discover Science and Engineering", is now fully up and running. A 20% tax credit for research and development was introduced in 2004 for qualifying incremental expenditure by companies on research and development. This will help to enhance Ireland's competitiveness as a location for new internationally mobile research related investment.

The Irish action plan for promoting investment in research and development, published in mid-2004, sets the vision that Ireland will be internationally renowned for the excellence of its research by 2010 and will be at the forefront in generating and using new knowledge for economic and social progress. The new Cabinet sub-committee on science, technology and innovation, which I chair, as well as the Government's chief science adviser, Dr. Barry Mc Sweeney in his first year of office, have a central role to play. I have asked my officials to prepare a roadmap showing how we can achieve the 2.5% GDP spend on research that is outlined in the Lisbon strategy. We have all signed up to the objectives and the issue is how to get there. We will try to have that roadmap completed by the middle of this year for the Cabinet subcommittee. I hope to return to the committee with the plan by next autumn.

Another priority is the consumer agenda. The consumer strategy group, which was established in March 2004, presented its final report to me on 2 March 2005. The core recommendation in the group's report, which was recently approved by the Government, is that a new national consumer agency be established. The national consumer agency will build on and incorporate the critical functions of the Office of the Director of Consumer Affairs as well as additional statutory functions in areas such as advocacy, research and education. To maintain the momentum of the consumer strategy group report, I propose to appoint a board of the new national consumer agency to act in an interim capacity until such time as the agency is established on a statutory basis.

While the expenditure line currently voted to the Office of the Director of Consumer Affairs will most likely be allocated to the national consumer agency on its establishment, the new agency's expanded role and additional functions will require additional funding. One of the interim board's priorities will be to prepare a detailed budget for a fully operational national consumer agency on the basis of the consumer strategy group recommendations.

The establishment of the Personal Injuries Assessment Board has been a very direct response to consumer needs in the area of insurance costs. Since July 2004 all motor, public and employer liability personal injury claims must be referred to the Personal Injuries Assessment Board before legal proceedings may be issued. The establishment of the PIAB was one of the key initiatives in reforming the process of the delivery of compensation in personal injury cases. Using the book of quantum as an aid, the amount of compensation to be received by claimants will continue at the level equal to that awarded before the establishment of PIAB, while the delivery costs and timeframes will be greatly reduced.

Over 7,000 cases have already been received by the PIAB and it is expected to assess approximately 10,000 cases per annum when fully operational. The establishment of the PIAB was one of a number of key initiatives contained in the Government's insurance reform programme. These initiatives have led to reductions in insurance premiums for consumers and business in the past two years.

Ireland is at a turning point in its economic development. New approaches are required by both industry and the State. To this end, Enterprise Ireland finalised a full review of its mission resulting in a new strategy, which I launched on 4 May 2005. The agency took into account the enterprise strategy group's report, Ahead of the Curve - Ireland's Place in the Global Economy, which provides a blueprint for the actions that need to be taken to secure and build on Ireland's position as a developed economy. The enterprise strategy group's vision was designed to give Ireland a long-term competitive edge in world markets. The key elements of the new strategy include structural reorganisation. This is in line with the enterprise strategy group's report to provide a more coherent approach and to ensure a better focus by the agency on export and sales development. Enterprise Ireland has established three new major sectoral divisions. Its strategy also targets an increase in group interventions to assist sectoral development. It is also introducing a new productivity improvement fund aimed at increasing participants' productivity by 20%. A budget of €17 million has been allocated up until the end of 2006. Pilot programmes with other agencies to increase Ireland's pool of marketing graduates and internationally experienced professionals will also be developed.

In recognition of the key role played by small businesses in Ireland, I propose that my Department review the environment for small business, with particular reference to the factors that facilitate development and growth.

In respect of foreign direct investment, IDA Ireland continues to win significant new greenfield and expansion projects, particularly in the areas of high technology, pharmaceuticals and medical devices. A total of 70 such projects were negotiated by IDA Ireland during 2004. Prospects for global foreign direct investment in 2005 are considered positive and despite a general decline in the volume of foreign direct investment available internationally, Ireland has managed to increase its share of both global and EU investment. At present, IDA Ireland has more than 30 potential projects in the pipeline.

Total employment in IDA-supported companies is now just short of 129,000, which is 10,000 more than ten years ago. IDA Ireland is attempting to achieve a balanced regional spread of development by operating within the frameworks of the national development plan and the national spatial strategy. While it is the investor who decides where to locate, the development of strong and vibrant urban bases within each region is vital to achieving this objective.

The labour market continues to show positive trends with employment growing by 65,200 or 3.6% in 2004. There were 1,894,100 people in employment at the end of 2004. Increases in the numbers in full-time employment accounted for over 80% of the growth. The sectors demonstrating the largest increase were construction and financial and business services.

Unemployment, including long-term unemployment, continues to be maintained at a low level and now stands at 4.3% and 1.5%, respectively. This compares to an EU average of 9% and 4%. In keeping with commitments to raise the skill levels of the workforce there will be a sharp increase in investment in training in 2005. Most of this activity will be managed by FÁS whose training and integration budget, comprising Exchequer and national training fund allocations, is to increase by nearly 22% in 2005. Particular emphasis is placed on in-company training, given its centrality to company and, consequently, national competitiveness. The FÁS budget for in-company training activities is to increase from €9 million in 2004 to €35 million in 2005. An initiative on the "One Step Up" as recommended by the enterprise strategy group will be announced soon. This will be augmented by a new national training fund programme whereby FÁS and other bodies will invest €64 million over a four year period in order to stimulate a significant leap of up to €100 million in employers' investment in training.

Did the Minister refer to an increase from €9 million to €35 million in one year, 2004 to 2005?

Yes. That illustrates and underlines the importance of in-company training and skilling up the workforce, going forward.

Does the Minister mean going forward as opposed to going back?

We will leave the past behind us and embrace the future.

It is an awful phrase to use.

Measures to assist the long-term unemployed continue to be well resourced with €369 million being allocated to FÁS employment schemes in 2005. This funding will ensure that community employment, job initiative and social economy programmes will continue to be maintained at 2004 levels. The changes I made to schemes last November will ensure these schemes give participants opportunities for varied work experience and equip them to progress into the open labour market.

FÁS's engagement with unemployed persons as they cross a threshold of six months unemployment will continue in 2005. This approach saw 52,000 people being referred to FÁS by the Department of Social and Family Affairs in 2004 and it is expected that similar numbers will benefit from this engagement process in 2005. FÁS, through its high supports process, will continue to provide a flexible response to clients who are experiencing barriers in progressing from unemployment to the workforce.

I have secured additional funding for the development and introduction of a new full-time employment support scheme for people with disabilities on a three-year pilot basis. Some €10 million has been put in place for the scheme for 2005. This comprises the current provision of €5 million for the combined employment support scheme and the pilot programme for the employment of people with disabilities, with an additional €5 million. It will commence later this summer.

The Irish Auditing and Accounting Supervisory Authority, IAASA, is provided for in the Companies (Auditing and Accounting) Act 2003. The proposed authority has been operating on an interim basis with a limited remit. Earlier this year, the interim IAASA submitted a draft work programme to the Minister of State responsible for trade and commerce, Deputy Michael Ahern, to provide for the establishment of IAASA on a statutory basis. Following negotiations, the Department of Finance has recently agreed to the provision of a new subhead in my Department's Estimates, containing a provision of €1.105 million to fund the start-up costs of the authority. I pay tribute to the Minister of State, Deputy Michael Ahern, for his success in obtaining this funding. These funds have been drawn from existing resources provided in my Estimate in 2005 for IDA Ireland grants to industry, where a saving is anticipated.

The directors' compliance statement requires directors of certain companies to prepare a compliance statement containing information on the company's policies in regard to compliance with its relevant obligations, and the procedures which it has put in place within the company to ensure compliance with these obligations and the arrangements. This provision has been the focus of numerous representations to me and to the Government. The thrust of these representations has related to concerns about the potential adverse impact on a number of fronts, including costs and competition. Having considered these representations, the Minister of State, Deputy Michael Ahern, decided to refer the directors' compliance statement provision to the Company Law Review Group for further consideration, with a request to report back to him by the end of July 2005.

The Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill 2004, which the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, is currently steering through the Oireachtas, replaces the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 1989. It strengthens the provisions dealing with offences, penalties, safety representation, safety training and safety management, and incorporates a comprehensive volume of legislative code on health, safety and welfare at work. It has some very important innovations dealing with issues such as intoxicants in the workplace, duties of designers, manufacturers and importers, joint safety and health agreements and protection against penalisation of employees.

Funding for the Health and Safety Authority has increased over the past number of years. From €13.6 million in 2003, the authority grant increased to €14.9 million in 2004 and to €16.098 million in 2005. Further allocations of funds were made to assist in the implementation of workplace projects, in conjunction with the construction safety partnership. Members may read the details of this in my written contribution. The authority has an ambitious work programme for 2005. New business systems will be implemented to support inspection and enforcement management systems, thereby enabling inspectors to target places of work for inspection and enforcement. The partnership approach utilised by the HSA has been further advanced by the establishment of the construction safety partnership, which includes representatives of the Construction Industry Federation, ICTU, the HSA and other relevant agencies and Departments.

In 2005 the authority will continue to address health and safety issues in the construction sector through targeted inspections, promotional and advisory activities and targeted campaigns, in addition to a number of specific actions undertaken under the auspices of the construction safety partnership, such as the safe pass and construction skills certification schemes. In 2004 there were 15 construction-related fatalities. Up to 3 May this year, there were eight fatalities in the sector. In 2004, the authority carried out in excess of 5,000 inspections. Some 26 sites were closed, one by court order and 25 by agreement until safety deficiencies were remedied and safety management systems put in place.

A fundamental review of the current work permit system has been undertaken with a view to developing a more effective and efficient service, including additional verification cross-checks with other Departments and agencies. The Employment Permits Bill 2005 is now in the final stage of drafting with a view to its introduction during this Dáil session. The Bill will put the existing administrative arrangements on a sound legislative footing and provide the Minister with flexibility to introduce new economic immigration systems. These will meet the changing needs of the economy and provide for greater accountability and transparency.

The total volume of work permits issued in 2004 was 34,067, a reduction of 28% on 2003. The number of work permits issued so far this year is 9,469, which signals a further reduction on 2004 figures. The decline in work permit approvals can be attributed to current policy, which encourages employers to source their labour within the enlarged EU.

In the area of employment rights compliance, my Department adopts an integrated and complementary approach of information provision, inspection with a view to compliance and, if need be, prosecution where compliance is not achieved. The employment rights information unit of my Department handled over 150,000 queries from employers and employees inquiring about the operational features of employment rights legislation. The labour inspectorate conducted 5,160 inspections across the full range of legislation. Arising from this inspection activity, and as a result of advice and guidance given, €486,000 was paid back to employees. In other instances, holiday entitlements were established. Fourteen prosecutions were initiated last year in the courts and the inspectorate currently has a caseload of 600 cases under investigation.

The mid-term review of Sustaining Progress also asked that a review be undertaken of the mandate and resourcing of the labour inspectorate. This resulted in a discussion document being sent to the social partners last January for comment. The review indicates that the complexity of legislation in the employment rights area is impeding understanding and compliance. When final responses have been received from the social partners, discussions will get under way with them. However, the initial document signals that fundamental changes in approach may need to be considered.

Pending the outcome of these discussions I have acted to strengthen resources in this area. The labour inspectorate generally concentrates on sectors where workers are vulnerable, either by reason of their age or where there are joint labour committees that establish terms and conditions for specific sectors. I recently announced the appointment of an additional 11 staff for the inspectorate. I hope these additional resources will have a specific impact on sectors where migrant workers are concentrated.

Last year, 2004, was a record year in terms of industrial stability. The 2004 strike statistics are the lowest in terms of the number of strike days lost since statistics were first compiled in 1923.

Hear, hear.

In addition, 2004 had the lowest number of disputes commenced since 1923; nine disputes commenced in 2004.

A number of factors have influenced this trend of relative stability in the industrial relations environment, including implementation of the provisions of the national partnership agreement, Sustaining Progress. The details of this may be found in my written contribution, which I take it may be put on the record of the committee without my having to go through it. We look forward to the initiation of new partnership talks. It is my view and that of my Department that they will form an intrinsic part of the future Irish economic story.

As part of the mid-term review of part two of Sustaining Progress, the social partners requested the Labour Court to review the national minimum wage. Having examined the expected impact of the proposed increase, in accordance with the requirements of our legislation, my colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, increased the minimum wage from €7 to €7.65 with effect from 1 May 2005 in line with a Labour Court recommendation.

That is an amazing Estimate proposal for members' consideration. We now proceed to a general discussion on the Estimates. Before we begin, we will proceed through the subheadings as outlined in the timetable. Is that agreed? Agreed. As agreed, we will begin our examination on the administrative subheads A1 to A11.

I thank the Minister for his contribution. A strong and buoyant economy underpins much of the activity of his Department. However, I would like information on particular areas in the course of our examination of the subheads. On consumer issues, I would like to know what will happen in regard to the newfound desire of the Government to take action in regard to the cost of living by adopting a recent proposal made by Fine Gael in the Dáil, which the Minister's predecessor and some other Ministers found difficult to implement in 2004. Consumer rights seem to be the new religion in 2005 but we must wait and see whether adequate funding is provided for the new consumer agency.

Another important issue is health and safety, particularly in the construction sector. Also of serious concern is the threat to our manufacturing base because of higher costs. IDA Ireland regularly observes that we must be willing to move up the value chain. There is little evidence of this in view of the loss of jobs at Waterford Crystal in Dungarvan, one of the most highly skilled industrial employment bases in the State. That company was obliged to discontinue its operation in Dungarvan and to move elsewhere in order to sustain its manufacturing activity.

The issue of labour rights, and the availability of inspectors in particular, is especially pertinent in the light of the recent controversy about Gama. In regard to administration, will the Minister explain the massive increase of 158% under subhead A8, advertising and publicity? In addition, there is an estimated increase of 48% under subhead A9, the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, and an increase of 69% under subhead A11, information society and the e-Government Basis project. These are three substantial increases in the area of administration and I ask the Minister to outline the detail behind them.

The existing Office of the Director of Consumer Affairs has a budget of some €4 million. This will eventually be subsumed into the new consumer agency. We have provided additional funding this year to allow for the establishment of the interim board from existing resources. It is envisaged that this will allow the interim board to do some work up to the end of the year. I do not have an exact figure but it will cost in the region of €300,000 this year to get the board up and running.

Is it the case that legislation will not be produced before the autumn?

We accept the consumer strategy group's indication that a 12-month period will be required for the drafting of the Bill, its publication and enactment through the Oireachtas. As members know from past experience, this is a challenging target but it is one we want to achieve. We will obviously seek additional funding in the Estimates for 2006 because it is envisaged the agency will be formally established and commence its full role in 2006. In addition, the new agency will take up some of the advocacy information agenda that is not currently covered by statute in terms of the role of the Director of Consumer Affairs.

I share Deputy Hogan's concerns on the threat to the manufacturing base. I did not shirk that issue in my opening address and observed that there has been a net loss in jobs in the traditional manufacturing sector for four successive years. However, we must put this in perspective. Ireland still has a future in manufacturing but it will be at the high end of that sector. Innovation is essential in this regard and we already have a good record in terms of the pharmaceutical and electronic sectors, for instance. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that low-cost assembly and low-cost manufacturing are under threat.

I will work with my Department and the relevant agencies to do all we can to protect the manufacturing base in so far as that is practicable and to introduce measures to attract manufacturing jobs to Ireland. I announced the creation of up to 700 jobs in the last week alone, some of them in manufacturing. These include Cascade in Midleton and Alcon, an ophthalmic company which manufactures lenses for use in cataract surgery, in Cork. At certain levels of manufacturing, therefore, we are still world class and are recognised as such, a point made by the enterprise strategy group.

However, some traditional sectors are under pressure. The cost base in the Irish economy relative to other economies has an impact in this regard as well as the general issue of globalisation and outsourcing. We must go up the value chain. In the food sector, for example, there must be greater research and innovation. There is undoubtedly significant potential in that sector to avail of increasing opportunities on a global scale. Much will depend on our research and innovation capacity in coming years.

I am not sure I understood Deputy Hogan's point regarding labour rights. We have appointed ten additional labour inspectors and a major review is under way to ascertain whether employment rights bodies can be streamlined to ensure quicker redress for workers and speedier processing of complaints. The Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, may comment further on this later.

The increase under subhead A8, advertising and publicity, is accounted for by the new legislation pertaining to the Irish language. A substantial increase was sought to take account of the implications of the Official Languages Act 2003, with which all members are familiar. In regard to subhead A9, there were savings in terms of legal expenditure in the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement in 2004 which are unlikely to be repeated in 2005. These savings depressed the outturn under this subhead in 2004. The relevant Estimate for 2005 represents a 7% increase over that for 2004.

On subhead A11, information society and e-Government, the Estimate for 2005 represents an increase of 3% over the figure for 2004.

No, there is a 69% increase.

Does Deputy Hogan refer to the increase over the outturn for 2004?

There is an increase of 69%. The total Estimate for 2005 is €805,000.

The increase of 69% applies in respect of the outturn for 2004 rather than the Estimate for that year.

I must call Deputy Lynch soon because the two Opposition parties must make their opening statements.

The increase over the previous year's Estimate is 3%. The outturn is lower because there were significant savings under this subhead.

Why was last year's budget not fully spent?

Is the Minister hoping not to spend more this year?

No, sometimes we are criticised for spending too much——

I am asking what the Department spent.

——but when we show reasonable thrift and caution, we are equally attacked.

I am anxious that the Department should fulfil the commitments made by the Minister's predecessor last year.

I accept that.

The outturn for 2004 under subhead A11 was €477,000 and the Department plans to spend €805,000 in 2005.

That is correct. This will cover the implementation of the information society and e-Government plan. My Department has been charged with the development of the Basis cross-departmental initiative and is developing an on-line work permit system. Some €425,000 will be allocated for the development of that system.

I hope the Minister has recovered from his cold. I met him when he was beginning to feel ill and am glad I did not also succumb.

Did Deputy Lynch not get a whiff of the green air while she was down in Cork?

It was not the green air that gave the Minister his cold. Health and safety is an issue of concern to many people, particularly in view of the amount of new construction that is going on. I understand there have been 13 deaths so far this year in the construction industry.

There were 15 deaths last year and eight this year so far.

Yes. The Minister will agree those figures are completely unacceptable. I welcome the appointment of ten new inspectors but far more are required. Is the number of fatalities in the construction industry a consequence of the proliferation of small firms and self-employed individuals with C2 forms and so on who are operating without the funds to undertake the necessary safety and education training? It is part of the Minister's brief and something we should seriously consider.

Construction workers in general have a very short working life. I am not speaking in terms of energy but of a person who goes through his or her working life without injury or a disabling accident. If we are to give anybody the opportunity of early retirement it should be these people. They simply cannot continue to work after a certain period of time. The Minister should consider the issue because a person who is 46, 47 or 50 years of age should not be under pressure to do a young man's job.

I share Deputy Hogan's concern with regard to huge increases, in some cases of 161%. However, community initiatives show a decrease of 13% which reflects what we hear regarding cuts across the board in terms of FÁS, community employment schemes and the jobs initiative. People complain directly to the FÁS office, but FÁS cannot do anything because it must operate within its budget and make cuts. The Minister's speech clearly outlines certain categories of skills which cannot keep apace of modern developments in the lrish labour force. Last night at the launch of new jobs in Cork the Minister said there is clearly an area within the community where those with low skills are losing out.

FÁS is the organisation charged with retraining and yet its budget is cut. It has increased in some areas. Matching funding for community initiatives is up by 43%. This is great, but if FÁS cannot raise the funding in the first place it will never spend that increase. Technical support for community initiatives has decreased by 3% and the grant to the national organisation for the unemployed has increased by 2%. The excellent Leonardo project is to receive an increase of 6%. These figures started from low bases and yet other projects have received increases of 161%. One wonders whether there is any commitment to people who will find it harder to obtain employment.

It would be difficult to make a mess of the current economy, trade and employment unless the Minister did something disastrous and insulted every country to which we export. However, difficulties exist and I know many people who find it hard to manage within the economy. The only organisation they can turn to for job and community initiatives is FÁS, but there is not as much emphasis on that as on other areas.

The Minister should consider the construction industry, because it is one of the most buoyant and lucrative sectors. Many accidents occur and people are injured but we only hear of the fatalities. People are being forced into the C2 section and the finances do not exist to put proper training in place despite the Safe Pass programme. We must seriously examine the issue if accidents are still occurring.

The first training programme received an increase of 100%. Can the Minister clarify the figure?

: I will first address the issue of health and safety, and the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, will make a contribution when I finish my overall comments.

We are discussing subheads A1 to A11, and health and safety under subhead T.

Perhaps we could fast-track.

We will first deal with subhead A and the opening remarks from Labour Party and Fine Gael Deputies.

We will not then go back over the issues.

No we will not.

I am in the Chairman's capable hands.

If the Minister wishes to refer to any issues raised in opening remarks he should do so now.

Any accident or death in the workplace is unacceptable and we have a collective obligation together with the social partners to do everything possible to make the workplace safer, and construction is a key sector in that regard. A further allocation of funds was given towards workplace safety projects which were implemented in conjunction with the construction safety partnership. Some €301,000 was allocated in 2003, €266,000 in 2004 and €301,000 in 2005. This was in addition to the existing budget which has increased by 7% this year in respect of the Health and Safety Authority which has a staff of 164, 100 of whom are specifically involved in inspection and investigation activities and the enforcement of health and safety legislation.

Many of the large increases, such as 161%, are to relatively small budgets. A percentage can sometimes give a false picture. We are not speaking in terms of millions of euro. The overall FÁS budget is approximately €935 million. FÁS funding comes from the Exchequer and the national training fund. The key figure is the combined allocation, which shows an increase of 14% this year. The proportion of the amounts which come from the Exchequer and national training fund are changing, and this year we secured more from the latter to allocate to FÁS.

In terms of the social economy, we took steps last November which have ring-fenced the provision of community employment by some 25,000 places. The live register which was published two weeks ago indicated an increase of 2,500 on community employment schemes. I will try to get the figures to confirm that.

The Minister is amalgamating a couple of schemes in that figure.

We protected those on the jobs initiative and FÁS has given an instruction that nobody is to lose their jobs on such initiatives unless they wish to leave. I have signalled my intention that responsibility for social economy initiatives should be transferred to the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs and discussions are ongoing in that regard. That will give the issue permanency and correctly position it as a community enterprise project as opposed to a labour market intervention which was the intention surrounding those schemes. FÁS's mandate and remit involves labour market intervention. The move will copper-fasten social economy measures in the future and develop it in the context of rural and urban development which is the responsibility of the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs. Its budget will go with it to that Department.

There is a misunderstanding with regard to the issue of matching funds. We can provide funding for certain groups operating under the ESF equal programme who cannot come up with the money themselves. It is a small amount and €250,000 has been allocated for 2005. This money enables us to facilitate groups which cannot come up with the matching funding. The Department provides the matching funding so they can draw down ESF funding from Europe. I believe this covers the Deputy's points.

Will the Minister comment on the idea of providing early retirement to construction workers?

In the wider economic sphere and in light of demographic projections regarding an ageing society in the future, it would be unrealistic to suggest that we will opt for early retirement in any sector. If anything, in the next 20 years or so we will be exploring the possibilities of moving voluntarily in the other direction. Obviously, that is a matter for future debate by society. However, if one looks at the situation across Europe——

Does that mean that people will be obliged to remain at work longer?

No, people may retire when they wish.

Will people be up on scaffolding at the age of 70?

I doubt it. However, if one went back to the 1900s, the prospect of people living to 80 years or working until the age of 65 would have been unthinkable.

Yes but the workers would have been building bungalows at the time. Two storey houses — not to mention multi-storey buildings — did not exist then.

There have been many medical advances and most people live longer. The cost of growing old and other factors could have a massive impact on pensions in the future. This will have an impact on how we organise ourselves in 2030 or 2040, which is why we set aside 1% of GNP each year. Mr. McCreevy introduced the measure when he was Minister for Finance to try to provide for that kind of eventuality. There are many ways in which we can try to prevent this from happening. In some respects, immigration, in terms of meeting labour force needs, is assisting. By and large, however, these are issues with which society must grapple in the future. My point is that the prospect of introducing earlier retirement schemes does not, in terms of funding, seem to be a viable proposition.

I understand that. To conclude——

The Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, wishes to respond to one of Deputy Lynch's points.

In respect of the point made by Deputy Lynch, I will ask the HSA what is the situation regarding its research into operators with C2 tax certificates and small operators in the construction sector. As soon as the Bill is passed, I intend to complete the process of preparing the building regulations which will improve the culture of prevention and enforcement in this area. It will have a substantial impact.

The Government must support people in that industry to ensure that they operate in a safer environment.

If there are no further questions on subheads A1 to A11 we will proceed to subheads B1 to J2. The latter deal with enterprise, agencies and science and technology.

I have two questions. I note the Minister's comments regarding the implementation of the enterprise strategy group report. In light of recent statements, he is slowly getting around to do so. I will not dwell on it today. However, subhead I2 shows a 100% increase in funding for the outturn for Nítrigin Éireann Teoranta. An enormous number of unsecured creditors are still owed money from the IFI debacle. When does the Minister think the company's assets will be fully realised? When will the unsecured creditors receive dividends based on the moneys outstanding to them? This is a serious issue for a number of companies, particularly a number of smaller concerns. Some have already gone to the wall because of the amount of money they were owed when the decision to wind up IFI was made. I want a full report on the current position of IFI.

The Minister is increasing the information society fund by 718% under subhead J2. It is increasing from €188,000 to €1.5 million and there must be a reason for this. Is it in line with the Minister's original answer to me about on-line work permits or something of that nature? Is this a separate project the Minister has in mind under the enterprise, science and technology section?

I welcome the major increase, from €28 million to €228 million, for science and technology during the past five years. I wish to emphasise that we must get involved in research and development. Any industry that does not do so is not looking to the future. I also warmly welcome the 20% tax credit given in 2004. I have some further comments. May I make them now?

No, we will take them under the appropriate headings.

During 2002 the Exchequer advanced a sum of €350,000 to Nítrigin Éireann Teoranta, NET, to enable it to discharge its outstanding liabilities — mainly tax bills — and to meet running costs. It was originally intended that NET would repay these advances out of the recoveries from the liquidation of IFI. However, it subsequently became apparent that the prospect of any recoveries from the liquidation is very much reduced. Against this background, it was decided that sufficient funds should be allocated to enable the company to repay the outstanding advances as well as meet the day to day running costs of NET. These costs have now been cut back to the absolute minimum and mainly cover professional, legal and accountancy fees. During 2004 the sum of €100,000 was repaid while a further €50,000 was issued to cover running expenses. The provision for 2005 allows for the repayment of the balance due of €250,000 and up to €50,000 to meet general expenses. The repayment of these advances, which is in effect a circular payment, will facilitate an easier and less costly winding-up of NET when that is considered to be appropriate.

As the Deputy knows, the liquidation process is still solely a matter for the liquidator. I do not have a role in that process. Neither the Department nor ICI, the other shareholder, has roles, other than as creditors, in the conduct of the liquidation. At this stage, considerable progress has been made in the liquidation, with virtually all assets realised and liabilities established. A contract has been signed for the sale of the production site at Arklow, which is due to close shortly. I also understand that there is considerable interest in the Cork site. However, until all assets, including the sites, have been realised and all liabilities established, it is not possible to determine the position of unsecured creditors.

Is there any indication about what the gap is likely to be?

I do not have any information to hand and it would be wise to wait until we get the full report. I do not wish to pre-empt what will happen.

The purpose of the subhead pertaining to the information society is to further the adoption of e-business among SMEs and micro-enterprises, in particular, in accordance with the objectives of the Government's information society action plan. The primary focus of expenditure under this subhead during the past four years was on specific initiatives to encourage SMEs, including micro-enterprises, to engage more effectively with information and communication technologies, ICT. Many of these initiatives were stand-alone projects and did not integrate with one another.

At the end of 2003, the Department took the decision to concentrate available staff and resources in 2004 on assessing the actual level of engagement with ICT by Irish enterprises and on the development of a new e-business strategy. The new strategy, which was launched in December 2004, provides the context and direction for future work to be undertaken by the Department and its agencies to address obstacles to more effective ICT usage and to encourage SMEs to use e-business in a way that will maximise their competitive advantage.

Due to concentration on this new initiative, the Department was not in a position to canvass proposals for new projects, resulting in lower than estimated expenditure. It is proposed that the allocation of the J2 subhead funds for 2005 will contribute to the implementation of recommendations in the strategy. Suggested projects that have been considered for funding include research into the impact of IT investment in SMEs, an awareness campaign of the legal framework for on-line trading, an ICT consultant database and the identification of suitable training courses in ICT for owner-managers. This represents a small increase, from €1.5 million to €1.538 million, in the allocation under the J2 subhead.

Deputy Callanan raised the issue of research and development and science. The Government is broadly supportive and has increased substantially the budget from year to year in recent years across Departments and in this Department in particular. I referred to this in my opening address and I endorse the Deputy's comments.

Members are heartened by the massive increases made in the fields of science and research and development. This is urgently needed and a tenfold increase is certainly something that we, following our experiences, in China, South Africa, Canada and America, wholeheartedly welcome. We will move to subheads K1 to M5.

May I ask a question?

Does the Deputy wish to ask a question under the heading "Enterprise, Agencies and Science and Technology"?

Yes. Will the Minister explain the 350% increase under subhead E2, "Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited — grants to industry"? Considering the ongoing debate about Cork being saddled with a debt of €164 million——

There was an increase of 350% to Shannon.

Considering the ongoing debate about Cork being saddled with a debt of €164 million——

It has nothing to do with this Department. In addition, Cork Airport is not facing a debt of €164 million. Under subhead E2, Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited — grants to industry, the original estimate for 2004 was €2.5 million, while the amount that was drawn down was €1,044,618. Shannon Development also received grant refunds of €422,000 which were used to fund grant repayments. It can be difficult to predict exactly the level of drawdown in any given year owing to the demand-led nature of the process. The estimate for 2005 is based on Shannon Development's predictions of likely drawdown requests having regard to the level of project approvals either issued or anticipated for the remainder of the year. What can happen is that one could approve something approximately two or three years ago and the drawdown may only take place in 2005. It is an estimate.

What was the estimate last year? Will Shannon Development be amalgamated with Enterprise Ireland?

The estimate in 2004 was €2.5 million.

Therefore Shannon Development spent one-half of the estimated figure.

Shannon Development spent less than one-half of the estimated figure. It is an estimate on drawdowns based on what has already been approved in previous years.

Clearly, Shannon Development was wrong by 50%.

It was wrong in terms of industrial produce. One has to estimate what will happen.

Why should the committee believe that Shannon Development will arrive at a correct estimate this year?

Shannon Development is demand-led. The Government does not lose anything if Shannon Development does not spend all the estimated money. If the drawdown is not as high as that, the Government can use the money for other purposes.

The Government must still ensure that the money is available in case the estimated figure is correct.

The Government must take Shannon Development's projections and predictions on trust.

Will Shannon Development be amalgamated with Enterprise Ireland?

That matter is correctly being discussed with Shannon Development and the social partners. I see that Deputy Hogan is smiling.

The time is up on this particular topic.

Shannon Development has produced a strategy, which it has submitted to my Department and I will meet the company to discuss it. The strategy contains a recommendation that I support.

Will the meeting take place before the summer?

The meeting will take place before the summer. It is also tied in with Shannon Airport and the independent Shannon Airport Authority. We are trying to produce the right package for the Shannon area and the mid-west.

Does the Minister think that he will have that by the first week of July?

No, I said I would meet Shannon Development. I thought that was the subject of Deputy Lynch's question.

I am simply estimating when the announcement will be made. The committee estimates that it will be in the first week of July, just after the Dáil goes into recess.

That estimate is optimistic.

The committee will now deal with section 3, labour force development and subheads K1 to M5. Has the committee already discussed this?

We have but I have a brief question. As the Chair knows, there was a slight controversy about health and safety schemes operated through FÁS. I raised this issue during the debate on the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill 2004. The Garda fraud squad was brought in to retrieve some moneys that had been allocated for training. Could the Minister of State tell me how the investigation is progressing? Has any money been retrieved from training companies which defrauded the State?

I have a question about the increase of 133% in technical development under the operational programme for human resources development. Could the Minister tell me what this is? It can be found under heading M3.

The Minister of State will answer the first question.

Some of the issues to which Deputy Hogan refers have not been completely resolved in the courts, as he is aware. However, a review of the training process is under way. New procedures have been established as a result of the incidents to which he refers which, to the best of my knowledge, have been successful and have addressed the difficulties. A review and reassessment of what the training programme ought to contain in future are also under way and will be ready towards the end of the year and affect new training.

A review process is on the way.

Will the Minister for State inform me of the result of the Garda investigation into the moneys that were misappropriated from the training programme?

I will provide Deputy Hogan with the information as soon as it become available.

The Minister of State will reply directly to Deputy Hogan and provide him with the information he requires.

Regarding subhead M3, this provides funding to support the administration, implementation and monitoring of the employment and human resources development operational programme, EHRDOP. The EHRDOP is effectively the labour market component of the National Development Plan 2000-2006. It includes a range of initiatives to educate, train and upskill the labour force. Total public expenditure of the programme over the lifetime of the national development plan will be in excess of €15 billion, to which the European Social Fund will contribute €892 million. The Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment is designated as the managing authority of the programme. The types of activities that are funded include cost-related monitoring and evaluation of the operational programme, salaries and administration costs and the European Social Fund financial control unit, which audits expenditure on European Social Fund related activity and other costs related to the implementation of European Social Fund activities in Ireland.

The reason for the large increase suggested on the above table belies the fact that the allocation for this subhead in the 2004 Revised Estimates Volume was €616,000. The real level of increase over the 2004 Estimates provision, as opposed to the outturn in 2004, is 3.2%. The underspend in 2004 was substantially due to the fact that the European Social Fund financial control unit was carrying two vacancies for most of the year. A planned upgrade of the European Social Fund website and efficiencies in the administration of the EHRDOP also contributed to the savings. The increased Estimate for 2005 reflects the fact that the vacancies in the financial control unit have now been filled and the upgrade of the European Social Fund website has begun. Provision is also required in respect of an evaluation of the core finance element of the EHRDOP which will take place in 2005.

The committee will now deal with section 4 which deals with employment rights and industrial relations. Do members of the committee have any questions? Members have no questions. The committee will turn to section 5, subheads Q to S4, which deal with commerce, consumers and competition.

I wish to comment on the Minister's speech.

The committee is dealing with subheads Q to S4.

Can I return to the Minister's speech? There is no reference to——

Deputy Ned O'Keeffe can speak at the conclusion of proceedings but not at the moment. We are dealing with subheads Q to S4.

I would like to speak on the Competition Authority.

Deputy Ned O'Keeffe may speak about the Competition Authority.

The Competition Authority spends more time chasing small businesses and small people than it does chasing the people who really influence prices. The country has witnessed the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. What is happening in society is alien.

Does Deputy Ned O'Keeffe have a question for the Minister? We are dealing with questions; there is no provision for speeches.

I insist that the Chair allows Comrade Ned O'Keeffe to speak.

I wish to refer to the feed sector for the farming community where the Competition Authority should address the issue of the virtual control of the ports by one importer and the inability of small importers to gain access to the means of importing feed. This issue needs to be addressed by the authority. I raised the issue of the authority's function at today's committee because I have no other platform to do so and the Chair, being a backbencher like myself, must understand this.

There is no problem if Deputy O'Keeffe puts it in the form of a question.

I want to ask the Minister whether he will ask the Competition Authority to investigate the feed sector regarding imports of feedstuffs for farmers and my allegation that one importer controls the importation of feed into Ireland. This importer can also hold feed boats on the Irish Sea to inflate the price on the Irish market. If the Competition Authority addressed major issues like this, we would then have genuine competition.

The Competition Authority has been very effective since its establishment.

We have a one-party policy.

The authority does not just target small companies or small players in the sector. Merger activities have increased dramatically in the last two years which has resulted in considerable resource implications for the authority. We have been forced to increase staffing and a separate mergers control division has been established. Equally, the authority's reports on the professions have taken on sectors that were sacred cows in Ireland for a relatively long time.

It is small stuff.

What did they do about them?

It will have an impact on a number of the professions and the way they operate. There is also a statutory function regarding merger activity that requires ongoing funding. I will pass on the Deputy's comments on the feed sector to the Competition Authority. It is open to the Deputy to write to the Competition Authority if he has concerns about any sector where he believes uncompetitive practices are taking place. I recommend the Deputy do so.

I thank the Minister for his encouragement but a humble backbencher writing to the Competition Authority would not get very far.

The Deputy can take this to the sitting of the joint committee and it will write to the authority on his behalf to make the point he has made at this committee.

The competition authority was set up under a Government that included Deputy Hogan and the Labour Party. Dessie O'Malley was a spokesman and I represented the Opposition at the time. Maybe the Bill did not carry as is the problem with many Bills but it was to look at the cement industry, the feed sector and major businesses. What has been done? Every small business has been chased to put them out of business and take their margin away. If there is no margin a business cannot survive. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. That is alien to my view.

The Deputy can put that down for the next meeting and we can discuss his allegation as a matter of urgency.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It is alien. Every day we pick up the newspaper we see millions of euro being accumulated.

We will take this on the next joint sitting day with the permission of Deputy Ned O'Keeffe.

We could bring in the chairman of the Competition Authority separately to deal with the Deputy's view. The Minister has issued a strong vote of confidence in the work of the Competition Authority and it is doing some good work. How many successful prosecutions has it brought in 2004?

The increase in staff resources in the Competition Authority since 2002 has resulted in a significant increase in its enforcement activities in the past two years. In its annual report the authority reported on its victory in the High Court in the first ever abuse of dominance case taken by the authority against the Irish League of Credit Unions relating to deposit protection services and the High Court's judgment established that representative bodies are responsible under law when they abuse a dominant position. During 2004 the authority spent in excess of 100 days in courts around the country on a variety of civil and criminal cases. These included the first ever criminal case taken on indictment by the Director of Public Prosecutions following an intensive investigation by the Competition Authority. Proceedings were initiated in 11 District Courts across the west of Ireland. The charges relate to allegations with regard to the price of gas oil and kerosene against 24 defendants. It is expected that the first trial in this case will commence in the autumn in the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court. The Competition Authority obtained 24 search warrants in 2004 and regarding ongoing investigations into anti-competitive behaviour it issued 58 summonses to compel witnesses to give or produce evidence under oath. I will find the figures for the first half of 2005 for the Deputy.

I asked about 2004. What was the number of successful prosecutions? Was it one or two?

The Deputy can consult the data provided.

It is one.

That is underplaying the activity.

I could be wrong by 100%. It could be two.

One is not going to get high volumes in one year, as these matters can take two or three years to prosecute.

I am familiar with the workings of the Competition Authority.

It is obvious to me that we need to invite Mr. Fingleton to discuss matters pertaining to the Competition Authority on which the committee members have had strong views. We want to conclude shortly.

I will not delay too long. I have long held the view that there should be a single competition and regulatory authority. What is the Minister's view on that? All these regulators and regulations are costing businesses a great deal of money, as Deputy Ned O'Keeffe pointed out, yet a competitive environment is not being provided for the consumer. Do we need separate regulators? Could we not have a single competition regulatory environment instead of the empire building that is taking place across various sectors of the economy at the moment?

I am not convinced that one single authority would be the most efficacious. It could result in a loss of focus in several sectors. Some sectors require particular expertise. We are still in a relatively new era of regulation and there is a view that if all regulators are amalgamated niche expertise will be lost.

Could we not deal with that by subcommittees?

Aviation, for example, requires niche expertise as opposed to other sectors where we have regulation. The interdepartmental committee that considered the enterprise strategy group's report came to a conclusion that was contrary to the view that we should amalgamate.

The Taoiseach indicated some time ago that he had a view on this but he changed his mind afterwards. He regularly changes his mind on these things. We should not worry about that.

There is an ongoing debate on this issue.

Somebody got at him when he floated a kite before he addressed a conference.

The Deputy should not give out about the Taoiseach.

He floats a kite regularly. Do I take it the Consumers Association of Ireland will not receive any award?

What group?

The Consumers Association of Ireland.

Yes. We are allocating resources under consumer support.

Is it under a different heading?

We will move on to section 6, health and safety, subhead T.

When will the Health and Safety Authority move to Thomastown, County Kilkenny?

Site acquisition is under consideration.

The Minister of State at the Department of Finance, Deputy Parlon, says he has three sites and they have been under investigation for the past two years.

We are making progress on that.

I have been hearing that for a while.

The main issue is that the authority will definitely go to Ollie Walsh's home town. On section 7, we will finish with the subheads dealing with other services including receipts to the Department, subheads U-Y. Are there any questions?

A sum of €17 million is listed under the productivity improvement fund. What will that new fund do?

Enterprise Ireland has restructured its operations. The main focus is to concentrate on sales and marketing and to provide additional assistance to companies on the internationalisation agenda to assist in gaining quicker access to international markets for Irish companies. The second area is to scale up companies. A productivity fund is one where enterprises will have to compete based on productivity targets and benchmarking. They will have to put forward submissions indicating certain steps to be taken that will result in productivity gains. It is a productivity improvement fund. The objectives are similar to the former competitiveness fund, which was under the remit of Enterprise Ireland. There are significant improvements in performance. The companies have to measure this. Enterprise Ireland will draw up performance indicators against which they will measure whether a company deserves funding. There would have to be verifiable productivity increases and the company would have to show this. We have a target of a 20% increase in productivity. It will require funding of €7 million in 2005 and €10 million in 2006.

Does it replace the competitiveness fund?

What is the difference? How much money was in the competitiveness fund?

I do not have the figures for the competitiveness fund, but this will be allocated €7 million in 2005 and €10 million in 2006.

Is the Minister abolishing one fund and replacing it with this one?

Yes, but this fund will be more rigorous in its assessment of performance. There will have to be clear targets. A figure of 20% productivity gain is the target. It is not a question of giving someone a grant. There has to be a verifiable productivity gain of some significance before any money is awarded. There will also be competition.

How long is that fund in place?

Which fund?

The competitiveness fund that the fund of €10 million will replace.

Several years.

Can the Minister tell the committee what happened overall last year? He does not need to go into great detail and can just give us a headline.

It was allocated to companies last year.

To do what? What did they do with it?

I will have to get details on that for the Deputy.

Can the Minister send it to us?

I can. I will get an exact breakdown of the allocation of that fund for last year and the previous year.

Not necessarily the breakdown——

The breakdown is important. It is only through the breakdown the Deputy will discover what happened, why they got the money and what submissions they made.

And what they did with it. What they did with it is very important.

I do not have that detail.

All members of the committee might have an interest in that.

An important aspect of the Minister's speech is that he stated that FÁS employment would be at the same level as last year. The action taken during the year for over-55s was important as together with the rural social scheme it fulfilled many community needs. Full-time employment support for people with disabilities is most welcome and I congratulate the Minister on it.

I thank the Deputy for his comments. We will have the details of that scheme before the summer recess.

Does Deputy O'Keeffe wish to make a comment?

I want to say a few words.

I thought Deputy O'Keeffe had already spoken. I apologise.

The chairman gave me short shrift.

That is not fair. It was under the various sections. I thank the Deputy for his co-operation.

I was only having a little word with you.

I congratulate the Minister for coming here this morning. Since he took over the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment it has a new image. I want the Minister stop introducing regulations because we are over-regulated. We are at a stage where we need a regulatory authority to police and examine all of the regulations put in place.

The Minister acted well on the Gama issue but I must say that Deputy Joe Higgins was the star of the show. Irish workers have entitlements and a foreign company undercutting that and behaving as Gama did is not respectable and should be exposed. The Minister handled it well. He addressed the problem when it arose and had it investigated which is in his favour as there was much discussion in the Department before the Minister arrived but nothing much happened. Many Irish contractors would have gone to the wall if underpricing such as that practised by Gama had continued. I met some Irish contractors who had questioned how these companies could get all these contracts at a price at which they could not compete. The Minister sorted it out and I congratulate him on it. We must be more careful in future and ensure that foreign contractors work within our guidelines and laws.

I have stated before that the great success of the Irish economy has been low interest rates. We must compliment Mr. Jack Lynch who led Ireland into the European Union in the early 1970s, and who broke with sterling in 1978. These acts, followed by our entry into the single currency have driven our economy. From examining other European countries, I can state that Ireland is benefiting from low interest rates, which have contributed to the real success of our economy and long may it last.

The Minister referred to the pharmaceutical industry and I agree with his comments. We are seeing many changes in the global pharmaceutical and chemical industries. Mergers and acquisitions always lead to fewer jobs and while many major companies are based here in the Minister's constituency of Cork, we must prepare for an evil day that could arise through mergers. In the pharmaceutical industry at the moment there is no innovation or new products as there were over the past five to ten years and that will have effects.

The Minister also discussed recently announced jobs. This Minister acts in the same way as his predecessors whereby an announcement is made such as that 600 jobs will be created by 2010. It is jobs today that matter to people, not a projection. Few companies reach the maximum number of jobs projected. Those expectations are not good for society or the workforce. We must be more realistic and focus on the present and while it is great if IDA Ireland announces that we will have 500 jobs in 2009, such a target is never reached.

I read the Minister's submission on the PIAB with interest, but PIAB has only processed and completed 26 cases. I would like clarification on that.

The PIAB will come before the committee as part of the insurance trawl we will have in a few weeks' time.

It is part of the Minister's remit, he referred to it in his speech and he regulates it.

It appears Deputy O'Keeffe knows the answer to the question he is asking. I agree with it but it will come before the committee to assist us.

The PIAB can defend itself. I understand 26 cases were completed as of last week. I know it is in its infancy but it does not look good.

I recently read with great interest in the newspapers that we will have a new national consumer agency to help keep prices in line. The best way to keep prices in line is competition. I fail to understand why we must have another regulatory authority on top of existing regulations. Not everyone who reads the newspapers saw it because normally headlines on Mondays either refer to the Fianna Fáil party or a new action to be taken by the Government.

What is the total employment of the enterprise boards and how effective are they at county level? What do they create? If a number of boards were wound up it would create a huge unemployment problem. A number of boards do not achieve much and only work on administration.

With regard to the Competition Authority and the feed sector, below cost selling in the retail sector is an area of concern of which we are well aware. I spent last weekend in France and while not many shops are open in Paris on Sunday I must say they look after their retail sector and are committed to both small and large retailers. If we continue with the trend of big business in the retail sector we will finish up with no small shops and rural Ireland will be deprived. One large multiple to which I will not give publicity by naming it is now setting up in every rural town and taking market share. This is getting serious and I am frightened at what is happening. Deputies to Dáil Éireann are concerned with people, not money. People are our first priority.

With regard to the food sector and the minimum wage, I refer to my own parish of Mitchelstown where massive change has take place and not for the public good. We recently saw an attempt to impose an amount just over the minimum wage on the workforce at Galtee Foods with a threat of closing the plant. It is time this was sorted out. Who can expect them to live on the minimum wage when they have €12 or €15 per hour? It is not on. The Minister is aware of what has happened and I am not satisfied with it. I have not seen anything happen. The pig abattoir was closed and we are now commodity importers, destroying our national brands.

The Minister in his speech referred to the directors' compliance statement. Does that include the co-operative movement under the Friendly Society Act? I referred to Galtee Meats, which is part of a co-operative. Would the director of a co-operative society come under the directors' compliance statement? The compliance statement needs to be broadened. I know it is contentious and that the Minister was warned on Second Stage and on Committee Stage that it would be contentious but directors should be more accountable than those in charge of numbers and policy. Directors are guided on policy by a chief executive or an accountant instead of assessing it themselves. We must look at this in a different light.

Under the Friendly Societies Act regulated by the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, do the director's compliance statements as presently enshrined, apply to that area?

The Chair has given the Deputy a good deal of latitude. As a new member of the committee——

: That is why I have more to say. I compliment the Minister on doing a fine job. It is important to look after people in industry and the Minister knows that. He should keep away from regulations and allow the system to work. Industry represents 44% of the Irish people, while others who represent 10% of the population have more of a say. That must change.

Too much privatisation is not good. I invest money in the private sector, but we must have a middle ground in these matters.

I ask the Minister of State if the recent increase in the minimum wage is the last one we can expect?

: Not at all.

The minimum wage was introduced under the National Minimum Wage Act 2000, which provides for increases on an ongoing basis and outlines the procedure for updating the amount regularly.

The minimum wage is a bone of contention with many employers who are concerned about their ability to stay in business. When this committee was formed in 2002, the biggest problem facing it was increases in the cost of insurance.

I will express a personal opinion before the Minister of State leaves. Insurance was the major challenge, but now it is the minimum wage, particularly as it relates to the tourism industry. We have been informed that wages in that sector are now 60% higher than they are in Spain and Portugal. That is my only point and it is up to the Government to take appropriate action.

Mr. Nesbitt from Arnotts appeared before this committee in connection with the groceries order and stated that the wages for his staff in Dublin were 60% higher than those in Spain. We must be mindful of this in the context of our membership of the European Union.

The Chairman should make it clear that the opinion he has just expressed is not the view of the committee.

I stated clearly that I was expressing a personal opinion.

Perhaps personal opinions should be expressed in another forum. The view expressed is not the view of the committee.

I am here as a member of the committee, as well as being Chairman. Therefore, I can express an opinion——

No, the Chairman is here as a member of Fianna Fáil, elected as such and his view is not the view of the committee

I am aware that we differ on issues from time to time.

I now take the opportunity to say that the view of the committee is that working people deserve to be paid a decent wage.

That is correct. I agree.

We might not all agree that the minimum wage is decent, but we agree that it is a good start.

I agree with the Deputy.

The Chairman of any committee, appointed by a particular political party, in this case Fianna Fáil, the party responsible for introducing the legislation, should not express personal views such as those the chairman outlined. That is also a personal opinion but it is closer to the feelings of this committee.

I wish to clarify what I said. When I began serving on this committee, insurance was the number one issue. Many people in the tourism industry have expressed serious concerns about the impact of the increases in the minimum wage on their industry.

On the point the Chairman has just made, the position regarding the last increase in the minimum wage——

I have a vested interest in tourism, which I should declare.

Yes.

The Labour Court recommended the increase. The ESRI carried out an assessment, which found that the increase did not create any difficulties in the areas of competitiveness or inflation. We must bear in mind that only 4.4% of the workforce is on the minimum wage and of that group, only 1.9% is on the sub-minimum rate. It is a very small number of people, a large proportion of who are part-time workers. The findings of any research my Department has conducted or I have read suggests that some of the concerns the Chairman raises are somewhat exaggerated.

Will the Minister of State give the committee a breakdown of where those 4.4% of people are employed?

I will do that.

Everyone wants to see workers getting a decent wage. Nobody condones not paying people a decent wage, but there are concerns emerging in certain sectors of industry and I am simply highlighting these, as expressed to me by people in the tourism industry.

On the question of the Personal Injuries Assessment Board, it will have to work within a nine-month period. In other words, first awards must be made within nine months of the relevant respondents consenting to assessments, as required by the Personal Injuries Assessment Board Act 2003. The Deputy's figure of 25 is correct, as of 4 May. The board expects to assess approximately 10,000 cases per annum once it is fully operational. The board has made a great deal of progress and matters will accelerate further. The board is very pleased with its progress to date.

The directors compliance statement requirement applies to all public limited companies, whether listed or unlisted and all private companies, limited by shares, whose annual turnover is greater than €15.236 million and whose balance sheet for the year——

Will it cover——

One moment, Deputy, please. The Act provides exemption from the requirement for a directors compliance statement for certain categories of companies. I will check the situation regarding the friendly societies and write to Deputy O'Keeffe directly.

Our view of the county enterprise boards is that they have been very effective. Since their establishment in October 1993 to the end of 2004, the CEBs have issued grant assistance to 17,050 projects, worth more than €155 million. The net employment creation in CEB-supported enterprises was 28,296 at the end of 2004. The cost per job, based on this figure, was approximately €5,478. The total number of full-time jobs in CEB-supported enterprises is 34,891 at the end of 2004.

The CEBs will be co-ordinated within a new unit in Enterprise Ireland and will continue to have a viable future in the overall scheme of supports for micro enterprise development in Ireland.

How many people are employed in the county enterprise boards nationally?

Is the Deputy asking how many are employed in administration?

I do not have that figure to hand, but I will find out and reply to the Deputy as soon as possible. On the broader issues raised by the Deputies, the compliance statement provision has been referred to the Company Law Review Group because the Department received many representations expressing concern about its possible impact .

I accept that.

There are also some legal clarification issues around the "and/or" phrase, in terms of balance sheets. It was never intended to capture a whole range of smaller companies, so that issue is being re-examined.

I am very conscious of the regulation issue and of the need to strike a balance between proper accountability and governance, while allowing for flexibility. We must not impose an excessive regulatory burden on business. That is particularly important for attracting inward industrial investment.

On the question of Gama, my Department has been firm in meeting the issues head-on. As soon as Deputy Higgins raised the matter in the Dáil, the Department moved very quickly to initiate the labour inspectorate's examination of the complaints and evidence presented to it.

The public welcomes the Department's initiative.

The case is currently in the High Court and I am precluded from commenting any further until a judgment is delivered on whether the Department can publish the inspector's report. I have no doubt the committee is interested in having a copy of the report and I hope to be in a position to forward it in due course.

Deputy O'Keeffe referred to job losses in the farming and agricultural areas and I respect his views and his knowledge in this area, particularly relating to food. The Department is very conscious of the restructuring that is taking place in that sector and of the need to invest in innovation, research and development. There is a need to develop new products and meet the demands of emerging new markets, such as nutraceuticals and health foods. Research is being conducted in the Moorepark research centre, in Fermoy and there should be stronger synergy between Dairygold and Moorepark. Glanbia has also made successful advances in research and innovation. Such research will result in new jobs, different to those that currently exist.

It is important for communities that have been dependent on the co-operative as a basis of their economic activities to diversify. Towns like Mitchelstown must diversify and not remain overly dependent on one industry. The hinterland around Mitchelstown is a natural resource that could be exploited more. We also need to introduce and develop other industries in that location. My experience in Government is that we have understated IDA Ireland job announcements in recent years. We did so deliberately for a number of reasons.

There is room for improvement.

Allow the Minister to respond without interruption.

Often when announcing new jobs we are under pressure to keep the figures reasonably realistic. Recently, a company did not want us to announce that it was to create 200 extra jobs. We have to respect companies' wishes. We heard many remarks on the need for more jobs but, despite knowing they had been created, we could not make an announcement. We are cautious and realistic. In America last October, we announced that an information technology company, McAfee, would come to Ireland. Since that time it has put 100 people on its books. International Fund Services has expanded from Dublin's International Financial Services Centre to Naas, where it employs more than 100. The company announced yesterday with regard to Wexford and Meath has lived up to expectations.

Hiccups are unavoidable. Companies announced may subsequently encounter difficulties. The takeover of a company may result in a review of its operations. New managers of multinational companies may decide to review or revoke commitments to expansions or new start-ups. All announcements are made in good faith.

On the issue of new product development in the food sector, I am critical of Enterprise Ireland's food plan in terms of the slaughter of pigs in the south. Brands were involved in the sale of products. It was planned to send all pigs to a commodity trader in Glanbia. Glanbia currently kills approximately 25,000 to 30,000 pigs. Shelf space is not given to Glanbia's products but to imported commodities from Chile and other places. I refer to Dairygold in this context.

Every day, I hear of new products and innovations but these cannot be eaten. People eat food. IDA Ireland had no plan. I would like to see a national food agency to represent every food sector under a Minister's remit. Control should be brought from within the farm gate to the outside, where it belongs. Too many people meddle in the food sector. Seven agencies are responsible for the food industry.

Last January, a fish seller from Bantry approached me to discuss the issue of the food industry. He felt that buyers prefer to deal with one agency with responsibility for selling fish, beef, lamb, carrots, turnips, potatoes and all other products. This is required but we have not grappled with this issue. There are too many vested interests. The job of Government is to organise and arrange matters.

While the Minister says innovation, imagination and flair are important to this society, he should propose to the Cabinet that a single food agency be created. If this was established, the food industry would become a major player in the world market. This is the way forward. Too many people dabble in laboratories and research units. It is a matter of a surfeit of State agencies and the private sector having its own agenda.

The Minister has that suggestion for consideration.

It deserves consideration.

On behalf of the select committee I thank the Minister, the Minister of State and their officials for attending today's meeting.

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