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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 30 Nov 2022

Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)

I have a proposal for three Supplementary Estimates in respect of Votes 12, 14 and 17. The first is a net Supplementary Estimate of €79 million in respect of Vote 12, superannuation and retired allowances, the second is a Supplementary Estimate of €220,000 in respect of Vote 14, State Laboratory, and the third is a Supplementary Estimate of €479,000 in respect of Vote 17, Public Appointments Service.

On superannuation and retired allowances, the Supplementary Estimate in respect of the superannuation Vote will bring the total 2022 Estimate for that Vote to €786.6 million gross and €353.4 million net. The Supplementary Estimate arises mainly due to higher costs than forecast for the year under the pension scheme for established civil servants as a result of a higher number of retirements than anticipated for 2022. Expenditure in this regard is dependent on the number and grade mix of those who choose to retire and, because of that, is subject to variability from one year to another and is difficult to predict.

Pensions and lump sums paid under the pension schemes for established civil servants make up 91% of total gross expenditure on the superannuation and retired allowances Vote, so a key driver of the annual cost is the number of established civil servants who retire in the year. However, it is particularly difficult to estimate the number of retirements from one year to the next for the following reasons: the majority of established civil servants will have a compulsory retirement age of 70; in addition, a number of people under age 60 retire each year under cost neutral early retirement or on grounds of ill-health; each year, a number of former employees become eligible to claim a preserved pension entitlement; and the average pension benefits – lump sum and pension - that will fall to be payable to new retirees in any given year will vary depending on the grades and years of service of that specific cohort of retirees.

The 2022 gross Estimate for Vote 12 was €707.6 million, which was based on a forecast of 1,550 retirements from the established scheme. As a general rule, for each person who retires, the once-off lump sum paid out is three times the size of the annual pension. Accordingly, increases in retirement levels have a particular effect on subhead A4, which provides for the lump sum payments to established civil servants. Subhead A4 is, therefore, a key driver of expenditure variance on the Vote in any given year.

At the end of October 2022, €125.9 million had been expended from subhead A4 compared to the original 2022 full-year estimate of €93.8 million. Further expenditure of up to €37.1 million by the end of the year is estimated, resulting in an overall projected excess of approximately €53.9 million on the subhead.

At the end of October 2022, €463.5 million had been expended from subhead A1 compared to the original 2022 full-year estimate of €530.9 million. Further expenditure of up to €90.9 million by the end of the year is estimated, resulting in an overall projected excess of approximately €23.6 million on the subhead.

It is now estimated that total gross expenditure on the Vote for 2022 may be in the region of €786.6 million, some €79 million in excess of the gross Estimate of €707.6 million as voted previously by the Oireachtas. That is the Vote 12.

Vote 17 is for the Public Appointments Service, PAS. The Supplementary Estimate for the Public Appointments Service arises mainly due to the higher level of recruitment and selection costs throughout the year, as well as the impact of back-dated pay increases agreed under Building Momentum. The Supplementary Estimate in respect of the PAS Vote will bring the total gross allocation for the Vote to €20.233 million in 2022. The additional allocation of €479,000 which is sought for Vote 17 includes: €60,000 of additional current expenditure to enable PAS to deliver on commitments made by Government as part of the Building Momentum extension; and €514,000 across non-pay subheads, including recruitment costs and office premises expenses; less €95,000 due to higher appropriations-in-aid.

The additional funding provided as part of the Supplementary Estimate will allow PAS to continue to provide an increased level of service in 2022 over 2021. As of mid-November, PAS has advertised 507 campaigns and assigned 7,529 people to public service posts in 2022, in comparison to 482 campaigns and 7,708 assignments for 2021. It is expected that the final figures for 2022 will, therefore, be in excess of delivery levels in 2021 as supplementary funding will allow PAS to continue to run campaigns throughout December. Some 99% of roles were filled for clients in 2022 to date and 71% of recruitment campaigns were delivered within the agreed timescales to date.

Vote 14 covers the State Laboratory. The Supplementary Estimate for the State Laboratory arises due to higher than anticipated spend on electricity and gas resulting from the new Office of Government Procurement, OGP, contracts for these utilities. The State Laboratory has a higher electricity demand than office buildings due to the requirements of laboratory equipment, many of which are in operation 24 hours a day. The Supplementary Estimate in respect of the State Laboratory Vote will bring the total gross allocation for the Vote to €12.152 million in 2022. The additional allocation of €220,000 which is sought for Vote 17 will be spent on electricity and gas resulting from the new OGP contracts for these utilities.

The additional funding provided as part of the Supplementary Estimate will facilitate the State Laboratory to deliver critical services for clients. These clients are Departments and public bodies and services include: analysis of food and feed to meet EU legislative requirements related to food safety for the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland; analysis of post mortem examination samples for alcohol, drugs and other substances for the Coroners Service across all counties; and analysis of fuel oil and alcohol related to excise duties for the Revenue Commissioners.

Approval of the Supplementary Estimates for Votes 12, 14 and 17 will enable PAS and the State Laboratory to deliver additional key services to the end of 2022 and will confer the necessary legal authority to meet the pension entitlements of civil servants who are expected to retire up to the end of 2022. I commend the Supplementary Estimates to the committee and I am happy to answer any questions.

I call Deputy Durkan.

Excuse me. I am a little hoarse. The chill is still around. It will be important to turn on the heat because we can die of freezing as well.

With regard to the State Laboratory, is the Minister of State satisfied that, along with the necessary funding, the necessary staffing is available and has been recruited, or is recruitable, at the appropriate opportunity in order to ensure the best possible service is delivered?

Are there gaps in the service that might cause embarrassment at a later stage?

On the State Laboratory, the Supplementary Estimate is simply to provide more money for electricity and gas costs because the State Laboratory has increased energy costs as a result of its laboratory equipment use. The Deputy asked me whether there is sufficient money in the budget to meet the staff costs and staff resources. There is so we have no expectation that we need more money to meet those costs for the year.

A question crossed my mind concerning correspondence we received today, particularly as we are discussing Vote 12 on superannuation and retired allowances. If the Minister of State does not have the answer, then he can put it in writing and send it to the committee. A review on higher remuneration in the public sector was established in 1969, which is 53 years ago and various recommendations were made. The most recent report relating to salaries across all grades in the Civil Service and public sector is review body report No. 42, which is dated 14 September 2007, and it affected people involved in the area of health many of whom are now retired. The Government accepted the recommendation of the review body, without exception, and issued formal sanction to pay all the awards over three phases yet these people still have not been paid. Today, we are giving the Minister of State extra money for retired allowances and so on. Many of the people referred to in report No. 42 are retired. A review was set up, the review body made recommendations in 2007, the Government accepted the recommendations of the review body, without exception, and the Government issued a formal sanction to pay all of the awards so why have the awards not been paid? I have asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the same question and now that the Minister of State has made his comments on retired people, their allowances and so on, I will ask him the same question. Is not paying the awards a gross injustice inflicted upon these retired people given the report and Government sanction?

I believe my Department wrote to the committee previously about report No. 42 and my officials are happy to update the information by writing to the committee again.

The Supplementary Estimate is required because there is a variable period of time over which one can choose to retire. The result is one can choose to retire up to the age of 70 or 60, or even before that. Therefore, it is difficult to predict how many people are going to apply. As more people retired than we expected and because of the grade mix of those who retired we have a requirement for a higher amount of money. I take the point made by the Chair about the recommendations of report No. 42 and I will supply him an update from my Department.

Yes, please do.

The Vote the Minister of State put to us today will be supported by the members. I raised the non-payment of awards as a point of interest. I think that someone like the Minister of State might take an interest in establishing why the Department of Health has blocked paying the awards. Today, we have agreed to bring in the people affected by the recommendation that has not been implemented. The Government should honour agreements made with State employees and I would like to know why the agreement has not been honoured.

We have considered the Estimates and the contributions made by the Minister of State and the Minister for Finance. As there are no further questions consideration of the Supplementary Estimates has been agreed to.

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