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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 30 Nov 2022

Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Supplementary)

I ask everyone to ensure that their mobile phones are turned off. I welcome the Minister of State and his officials. I ask members to take note of the issue on privilege.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Session 1 is Supplementary Estimates for the Department of the Taoiseach and specifically Vote 5 - Director of Public Prosecutions. The format is the Minister of State will give an overview of the Supplementary Estimate and members will then be able to ask questions on issues that arise. I welcome the Minister of State and ask him to make his opening statement.

Go raibh maith agat, a Chathaoirligh. I thank the committee for making time available to consider my request for a Supplementary Estimate for the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, DPP. As members are no doubt aware, the key function of the office of the DPP is to provide a prosecution service that is independent, fair and effective to the people of Ireland. While the Taoiseach has certain responsibilities to the Oireachtas for administrative matters in the office of the DPP, the office operates independently of the Department.

The office of the DPP was established by law under the Prosecution of Offences Act 1974. The director is independent in the performance of her duties. The key duties of the director are to enforce the criminal law in the courts on behalf of the people, direct and supervise public prosecutions on indictment in the court, give general direction and advice to An Garda Síochána on summary cases and give specific direction to the Garda in cases where this is requested. The chief prosecution solicitor provides a solicitor service within the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions on behalf of the director in cases dealt with in Dublin. The State solicitor service acts on behalf of the director in Circuit Courts and occasionally in the District Courts outside Dublin. It supports private barristers working for the DPP to present the prosecution case in the Circuit Court in their respective county. There is generally one State solicitor per county but in certain counties, State solicitor areas have been split to take account of factors such as population. For example, County Cork is divided into four areas, namely, Cork City, Cork north east, Cork south east and Cork west.

The net Estimate for Vote 5 - Director of Public Prosecutions for 2022 is €47.832 million. This provides for the salaries and expenses of the director and her staff, the cost of the local State solicitor service, fees to counsel engaged by the director to prosecute cases in the various courts, and legal costs awarded against the State arising out of judicial review and other legal proceedings. A Supplementary Estimate of €3,445 million is being sought for 2022, which represents a 7.2% increase in the net allocation. The need for the Supplementary Estimate arises from greater than budgeted expenditure on A3 - Fees to Counsel and input A5 - Local State Solicitor Service. Savings elsewhere on the Vote are insufficient to offset the need for a Supplementary Estimate.

There are a range of factors which give rise to the need for this Supplementary Estimate. I will address these in the order in which they are listed in the Vote. Input A3 is Fees to Counsel. Expenditure on counsel fees is, to a large extent, dependent on the level of activity in the courts at any time, and so is always difficult for the DPP's office to forecast. Three main factors give rise to the projected overspend of €3.725 million on this subhead. First, there is a general increase in activity across all the courts arising from an increased number of prosecutions and as the courts seek to clear the backlog of cases that arose during the pandemic. Second, there has been a significant increase in activity in the Central Criminal Court, due to the fact the number of judges assigned to the court has increased from five to nine. The Central Criminal Court is the court that deals with the prosecution of murder and rape. Third, there are a small number of complex, high-profile cases before the courts, including cases in the current law term, that are incurring significant expenditure. These factors have resulted in a significant increase in court activity which accounts for the overspend on this subhead. As the factors giving rise to the overspend in 2022 are likely to continue into 2023 I inform the committee that to ensure that this underlying level of activity on Fees to Counsel does not give rise to a Supplementary Estimate again in 2023, an additional allocation of €2.5 million has been added to this subhead for 2023. While the volume of fees being paid by the office has increased, the rates the office pays barristers have remained constant. The fee rates are still 26% below those that were paid in 2008.

A5 is the Local State Solicitor Service. There is an anticipated overspend of €220,000 on this input. This input covers the cost of contracts with 32 solicitors in private practice who carry out legal business on behalf of the director outside Dublin. The overrun can be attributed to the following factors: a one-off review of the workload for one of the State solicitors resulted in an increase of €132,000, half of which was arrears from 2021; the payment of an increase arising under the State solicitor's contract came to €75,000; and an amount of €62,000 that was paid to the State solicitors to cover work that fell outside the terms of their contracts. An additional allocation of €250,000 has been added to this subhead for 2023 to address ongoing pressures on it.

The additional expenditure I have advised the committee of amounts to a total of €3.945 million. However, the office anticipates savings of €500,000 on the Administration Pay subhead and this has reduced the amount required by way of Supplementary Estimate to €3.445 million. I recommend this Supplementary Estimate of €3.445 million to the committee.

Members may now put any questions. I call Deputy Mairéad Farrell.

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire Stáit as teacht os comhair an choiste. Tá díreach dhá cheist agam. I will ask them together and the Minister of State can answer them together. Under the heading Net Allied Services Expenditure the cost of superannuation and allowances has increased from €1.2 million to over €2 million. That seems like a significant jump, even considering increases from the public sector pay agreement. Were there additional retirements that year? Perhaps the Minister of State could explain.

My other question was on the surplus to be surrendered. There seems to be quite a big difference between the figure from 2021 and the one from 2020. I would like the Minister of State to explain that too.

The changes between 2020 and 2021 are marginal. As the Deputy can see the outturn was 701 in 2020 and 773 in 2021 and the additional superannuation and public service remuneration account for 85% of the appropriations-in-aid figures. It is therefore quite marginal.

I am not sure if my officials have any information on the second question. I will revert to the committee on what is being surrendered.

I thank the Chair.

Does there exist a backlog of work at the office of the DPP that perhaps accrued during Covid, or whatever the case may be? Where is it at currently?

There has been a 34% increase in the number of prosecution files received by the office over the past four years. Files increased from 13,667 in 2017 to 18,256 in 2021. There has been a 21% increase in the files received for a decision on whether to prosecute over the past three years and the number of suspects who are the subject of these files has also increased by 22% over the same three-year period. In addition, there has been an exponential growth in the level of data and complexity routinely involved in a range of different offence types, including sexual offences, theft and fraud offences and organised crime. Teams of legal staff are required per case. If we look at the output of the criminal courts due to the increase in the number of judges, it is welcome we have been able to match that increased output from the DPP's office in order to advance many prosecutions more expeditiously.

Is there a recognisable shortage of staff at any level in the office, or even in the courts? Are we in a position to process issues quickly, efficiently and in line with expectations?

I am informed there are 260 staff authorised and 244 serving, so the office is nearly at full complement. Obviously, matters related to the Courts Service are for that service and for the Minister for Justice.

All right. What has the response been to contracting-out various services? How extensive is it? Are we satisfied about the cost and do we keep regular checks?

In line with section 7 of the Prosecution of Offences Act, work is distributed amongst those barristers who have indicated a willingness to act for the office.

The director seeks expressions of interest from barristers wishing to be considered for inclusion on the various Dublin panels of barristers. Depending on the number of applications, a shortlisting process may be undertaken prior to applicants being called for interview. The interviews and any shortlisting process are conducted by a board established by the DPP. This method of outsourcing work to barristers in private practices is in keeping with the international practice in nearby common law jurisdictions. The office of the director believes the level of fees it pays compared to those charged to private clients and the significant reductions in fee rates made since September 2008 ensures that the State obtains value for money in respect of expenditure outsourced to barrister services.

I further ask whether we have a tightly restricted pool to which the DPP’s office refers when contracting out or do we leave some people who are never called upon? Are there ways and means of ensuring there is a reasonable spread, notwithstanding the urgency, to keep the level of expertise to its height?

There is a process for seeking expressions of interest and, obviously, there is a board within the DPP which sets out the shortlisting process and the means of outsourcing. It is independent of the Department of the Taoiseach, and the DPP runs it as per its needs according to the shortlisting process and the application process that is set out.

I will leave it at that for the moment. I might come back again.

I have a general question. I would not put the Minister of State in a situation where he might be asked to answer a question about a specific case as that would be unfair and unwise. I have dealt with cases in recent months where the Garda Síochána has sent the book of evidence to the DPP, the DPP goes through the process and decides not to prosecute, and individuals who are affected by the decision have then made contact with the DPP to have that decision reviewed. In general terms, how long would it take the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions to make a final decision on that review? Has that changed in recent years, given what the Minister of State has been saying about backlogs in the courts and in the DPP’s office, and general resource issues, which people will understand coming out of the worst periods of the pandemic? Generally speaking, when can people expect a decision from the request being reviewed to a conclusion being reached by the DPP and that being communicated to the citizen?

They can ask the DPP for a summary of reasons for the decision not to prosecute and if they are not satisfied with the reasons, they can ask the DPP to review that decision. Since the coming into effect of the victims directive and the subsequent Criminal Justice (Victims of Crime) Act 2017, victims have the right to a summary of the reasons for the decision not to prosecute in all cases where the decision was made on or after 16 November 2015, subject to some limited exceptions. A victim can also ask for a review of a decision not to prosecute and the review is carried out by a lawyer who was not involved in making the original decision, other than in cases where the director made the decision. In such cases, the director conducts the review and the victims liaison unit in the office of the DPP deals with all requests for reasons and reviews received from victims of crime.

To give people a sense of the numbers of requests for reasons received, in 2021, there were 652; in 2020, it was 698; and in 2019, it was 644. As to requests which were received for review of a decision, in 2021, there were 215; in 2020, it was 220; and in 2019, it was 213.

Deputy Farrell had a question.

Are we under pressure for time?

The Deputy is free to ask a question.

In regard to the surplus to be surrendered, page 8 states that for 2021, it is €231,875, and then for 2020, it is €421,070. I wonder about that.

The surrender was less than 1%, largely due to salaries.

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