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Select Committee on Foreign Affairs díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 15 May 1996

Estimates 1996.

Vote 38: Foreign Affairs (Revised). Vote 38: Foreign Affairs (Supplementary).

This afternoon we will examine Vote 38 and tomorrow morning we will be joined by the Minister of State, Deputy Burton, to examine Vote 39 which relates to international co-operation. I welcome the Tánaiste to our meeting. I propose that we allocate 15 minutes to the Tánaiste for his initial presentation. I will then allow ten minutes for an opening statement by Fianna Fáil and ten minutes for an opening statement by the Progressive Democrats. The latter can be used up by somebody else if there is no representative from that group here. The Independents will then have ten minutes for an opening statement which will be followed by a general debate for about half an hour. We will call on the Tánaiste at 3.50 p.m. to conclude.

At 4 p.m. the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs will sit to continue the discussion on the White Paper.

When I appeared before the joint committee three weeks ago I addressed the White Paper and I believe we will have an opportunity to address that again later this afternoon. This meeting, in the context of the select committee's consideration of the Estimates for foreign affairs and for international co-operation, provides an opportunity to focus on specific issues which will arise in 1996.

As you are aware the Vote for Foreign Affairs accounts for less than 0.5 per cent of total Government expenditure. Some 96 per cent of the Vote relates to the administrative costs of the Department. In 1996 such costs will amount to £55.061 million, of which £8.1 million has been provided for costs associated with the Presidency of the EU. A further £0.6 million is provided under subhead D for press and information services arising from the Presidency.

The full set-up and annual running costs of the three missions opened last year in Malaysia, the Czech Republic and Hungary are provided in this year's Estimate. The Government recently announced its decision to open an embassy in Israel. The set up costs for this mission will be covered in the 1997 Estimates.

Other services provided under the Foreign Affairs Vote include provisions for the support of Irish citizens abroad, North-South and Anglo-Irish co-operation and the activities of the cultural relations committee. The Estimate also contains a new subhead F3 which arises from the EU Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation in Northern Ireland. My Department has responsibility for two measures under the cross-Border subprogramme. Modest increases have been provided in the allocation for the cultural relations committee and for the support of Irish immigrant groups. In relation to the latter I am pleased to announce that it will be possible this year to provide support for the work of Irish welfare groups in Australia along the lines of that already provided to such groups in the United States. The committee on this occasion is also considering a request for a Supplementary Estimate of £500,000 to fund costs associated with the Northern Ireland talks.

The resources devoted to the foreign relations of the State are relatively modest. In the White Paper I have set out the approach of the Government to the future development of the foreign service. The foreign service must be adequately resourced to fulfil its responsibilities and the resources allocated to it must be used to best effect. The most important resource is the staff of the Department. Their commitment will be an important element in the effectiveness of our response to the main challenges which we will face in 1996 — the EU Presidency and the Northern Ireland peace process.

The Irish Presidency of the European Union begins on 1 July. During our Presidency, Ireland will be required to play its part in advancing the European agenda. Irish Ministers will chair approximately 40 Council meetings. Officials will be required to chair over 2,000 working group meetings. All our diplomatic missions abroad will be involved, representing not just Ireland's but also the Union's interests in their countries of accreditation. While there is an extra burden on the Department of Foreign Affairs the tasks of the Presidency are not confined to one Department. Other Departments will have an important role to play during the Presidency.

The Presidency on this occasion coincides with the Intergovernmental Conference, which Ireland will chair. It has been said that the Presidency and the Intergovernmental Conference may be amongst the most demanding and complex international assignments to have faced an Irish Government. While most of the Union's business is conducted in Brussels, Luxembourg or Strasbourg, there are a range of meetings that take place in the Presidency host country. In excess of 100 meetings, at all levels, will take place in Ireland in the period from July to December, including seven informal Council meetings. These all lead up to the main focus of the Presidency, the European Council, which will be held in Dublin on 13 to 14 December.

The agenda for any Presidency reflects the concerns and preoccupations of the Union and of the member states at a given time. The major issues which we will face during our six month term will include the furthering Union action in the area of employment; advancing the fight against illegal drugs; working for a smooth transition to European Monetary Union, and consolidating the advances achieved by the Single Market.

The entry into force of the Maastricht Treaty on 1 November 1993 established the common foreign and security policy as the framework for co-operation among EU member states on foreign policy issues. This has added additional responsibilities to the Presidency. While the priorities of Ireland's Presidency with regard to foreign policy may evolve in response to international developments, issues which have been the focus of intensive EU action in recent years are expected to continue to dominate the agenda. These include the former Yugoslavia, central and eastern Europe, the Middle East peace process and Africa.

During Ireland's term of office, the EU's efforts in relation to the former Yugoslavia will be directed, in co-operation with the States and international bodies involved, at ensuring the full implementation by the parties of the general framework agreement for peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the basic agreement for Eastern Slavonia. Priority issues will include reconstruction in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the holding of free and fair elections, creating conditions for the return of refugees and displaced persons and ensuring full respect for human and minority rights.

Ireland is making a significant practical contribution to efforts to consolidate peace on the ground, in particular through the participation of Irish personnel in the OSCE and European Community Monitor Mission and in the UN civilian police operations in Bosnia-Herzegovina and in Eastern Slavonia in Croatia. To date, we have donated or pledged some £7.8 million to the humanitarian and rehabilitation effort in former Yugoslavia.

The EU has sought to assist the process of reform in the Baltic States and in the countries of central and eastern Europe, including Russia, in particular through the Europe agreements and the partnership and co-operation agreements negotiated with these countries. In addition to promoting reform by means of political dialogue and through technical assistance, the EU will be implementing an action plan, which will give concrete effect to the EU's strategy towards Russia, agreed by the General Affairs Council in November 1995.

The forthcoming Russian presidential election is a further important step in the process of democratic reform in Russia. Ireland, in common with our EU partners, will send observers to the elections. The Irish mission will consist of six persons, including three Members of the Oireachtas and a long-term observer who will be there for the duration of the election campaign.

The situation in Chechnya continues to be of serious concern. Ireland will be devoting its Presidency efforts towards promoting a negotiated settlement of the conflict in Chechnya, under the auspices of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe.

The OSCE's responsibility for implementing the Dayton agreements in Bosnia and its involvement in seeking peaceful solutions to conflicts such as those in Chechnya and Nagorno-Karabakh illustrates the importance of its role in addressing the problems and tensions facing Central and Eastern Europe. We have supported the development of a central role for the OSCE in pan European security arrangements. Ireland attaches great importance to the OSCE's broad concept of security which encompasses the promotion of the human dimension, security and economic development.

Ireland's expenditure on OSCE consists mainly of contributions to the OSCE institutions and to the costs of OSCE missions and activities. In addition, certain miscellaneous payments may arise relating to Ireland's participation in OSCE missions. All OSCE costs are paid by the participating states according to an agreed scale. In 1995 Ireland contributed £152,000 to the OSCE and £200,000 has been allocated for this purpose in the 1996 Estimates. A Summit of OSCE heads of state or government takes place every two years and the next one will be in Lisbon next December, during our Presidency of the EU.

The Middle East peace process is a major focus of the common foreign and security policy of the European Union and the EU has played a central role in assisting this process through its aid to the Palestinian Authority — ECU500 million between 1994 to 1998 — and its contribution to the organisation of the recent Palestinian elections. In our Presidency we will actively seek to support and consolidate the peace process, in co-ordination with our EU partners, the regional parties and the co-sponsors of the process.

A number of key elements will shape our work on the Middle East during the Presidency. These will include the outcome of the Israeli elections, the implementation of the interim agreement, the final status negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians which commenced on 5 May, the consolidation of the ceasefire in southern Lebanon and developments in the Palestinian and Syrian tracks of the Middle East peace process. As holders of the Presidency Ireland will lead the EU delegation at the Middle East and North Africa Economic Summit, scheduled for November. The Irish Presidency will continue to develop the EU's policy of supporting the bilateral negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon.

Africa will also be a priority issue for the Irish Presidency, reflecting the importance which has traditionally been attached by Ireland to issues relating to that continent. In view of Ireland's commitment to international conflict prevention and peacekeeping, the Irish Presidency will seek to advance dialogue between the EU and the Organisation of African Unity. Enabling African states to resolve conflicts within such a framework affords us the optimum peaceful means of promoting political and economic stability.

The Government is committed to ensuring that the situation in the countries of the Great Lakes region and its enormous refugee population will be awarded continuing priority. To that end, we will support the efforts of the EU special envoy to the Great Lakes region, Mr. Aldo Ajello, with whom I had consultations during his recent visit to Dublin.

The substantive dialogue between the EU and the Southern African Development Community will be further enhanced. A meeting between the member states of the two organisations will be held at ministerial level in early October. In the light of the rapid strides which have been made in recent years in SADC countries such as South Africa, Angola and Mozambique, we see this region as vital in terms of the development of a new and positive dynamic on the continent as a whole.

The international community will have to address the financial crisis facing the United Nations, primarily as a result of the failure of many member states to pay their assessed contributions in full and on time. This situation threatens the organisation's ability to carry out its mandated activities, particularly in the areas of peace-keeping and human rights monitoring. During our Presidency, Ireland will work with our partners to find a long-term solution to the financial situation of the UN.

A key issue is reform of the UN itself, which Ireland recognises as essential to ensuring the organisation can effectively and competently meet the challenges which the international community will face in the coming decades. Reforms of the various organs and subsidiary bodies of the UN will be crucial to this goal. Consideration must also be given to a reassessment of such overarching concepts as peace-keeping, peace-making and preventative diplomacy to ensure that the UN performs its primary function as stated in the UN Charter — to maintain international peace and security. This latter aim is related to the need to reform the UN's development programmes and policies. Effective reform in the area of development promises should serve to increase stability in international affairs and to alleviate the plight of many millions of people who currently endure gross material deprivation.

Other external relations issues that will demand close attention for Ireland during its Presidency include the strengthening of relations between the European Union and North America through continuing the transatlantic dialogue, the continuing development of relations with the Mediterranean countries and preparation for the WTO ministerial meeting in Singapore next December. The process of preparation for the enlargement of the European Union to include the countries of central and eastern Europe, Cyprus and Malta will continue to remain of the highest priority for the EU during Ireland's Presidency.

The Presidency should be put in context. Ireland has benefited greatly from membership of the European Union which has accelerated economic development and facilitated and encouraged Irish industry in its moves to diversify into highly competitive markets. The importance of access to the internal market in attracting foreign companies to invest in Ireland has been equally important. The presence of foreign companies, attracted in the first instance by a combination of factors, including access to the internal market, has generated increased business for many of our indigenous companies.

Structural and Cohesion Funds have contributed significantly to the development of the Irish economy. Ireland has received transfers of nearly £18 billion from Europe since 1973. The benefits of this investment are visible to all in terms of improved infrastructure, better educational opportunities and increased employment opportunities. Ireland has managed to narrow the gap between our economic indicators and those of other member states. GDP per capita in Ireland is now fast approaching 90 per cent of the European average.

Membership of the EU has allowed Ireland to play a greater role on the world stage than would otherwise have been the case. While a Presidency is a prestige event for any member state, it is also an opportunity for it to show its commitment to the EU. The European Union is not owned by any of its 15 member states; rather it is something in which all of us have a part to play and which carries obligations as well as rights. The efficient management of the Presidency will provide an opportunity to demonstrate our commitment to the EU and our willingness to shoulder the responsibilities and obligations of membership.

The International Co-operation Vote enables Ireland to fulfil its mandatory and voluntary international obligations. It includes our contributions to the UN and to important international bodies such as the OSCE, the Council of Europe, the OECD and the WTO. It also enables Ireland to fulfil its obligations to the developing world. In 1996 the total aid budget will amount to £106 million which will represent almost 0.3 per cent of GNP, the highest level ever achieved by an Irish Government. The Minister of State, Deputy Burton, will address detailed aspects of the Vote for International Co-operation when she meets with the committee tomorrow morning.

The cornerstone of Irish aid policy will continue to be long-term development with the focus on poverty reduction and addressing basic needs in existing priority countries in sub-Saharan Africa and the new priority country, Mozambique. At the same time a new focus on improving the response to humanitarian crises is being developed. A humanitarian liaison group and a rapid response register are being established to channel the expertise which is available to assist with humanitarian emergencies.

The allocation for our voluntary contributions to UN development agencies has been increased and will allow us to support efforts to make these agencies more responsive to the real needs of developing countries. The White Paper on Foreign Policy confirmed the Government's intention to continue with significant increases in ODA in the years ahead so as to put Ireland's performance on a par with that of our EU partners with the ultimate aim of meeting the UN target of 0.7 per cent of GNP.

I welcome this opportunity to place before the committee the request for a Supplementary Estimate to cover my Department's involvement in the all-party talks on Northern Ireland. A major priority for the Government as a whole, and for me and my Department, is to do our utmost to work for the success of the Northern Ireland negotiations which are to begin on 10 June. We want to ensure these negotiations will be real and meaningful and will seriously confront and resolve the many fundamental issues at stake. The purpose of the negotiations is nothing less than to achieve a new beginning for relationships within Northern Ireland, within the island of Ireland and between the peoples of these islands, and to agree new institutions and structures to take account of the totality of relationships.

The two Governments reiterate in the ground rules paper our intention that the outcome of negotiations will be submitted for public approval by referendums in Ireland — North and South — before being submitted to their respective parliaments for ratification and the earliest possible implementation.

All of us participating in the negotiations must, therefore, seek to reach agreement on an overall set of structures and balanced constitutional change, capable of winning democratic endorsement in both parts of Ireland. This is the ultimate guarantee that what is negotiated must represent a balanced, fair and reasonable compromise settlement of which we all, irrespective of tradition, aspiration and identity, can feel a sense of ownership.

The fundamental principles which must govern a new settlement have been set out many times by both Governments. It is my firm belief that only an agreement founded on the bedrock of consent, non-violence, parity of esteem and equality of treatment will win the support of both traditions in Ireland and of both communities in Northern Ireland. Taken together, these principles offer to both communities the basic reassurance they require that their rights and interests will be of decisive weight in shaping an accord.

The two Governments have mapped out the route to substantive all-party negotiations. The ground rules state that:

The negotiations will, . . . in a full and comprehensive fashion, address and seek to reach agreement on relationships and arrangements within Northern Ireland, including the relationship between any new institutions there and the Westminster Parliament; within the whole island of Ireland; and between the two Governments, including their relationship with any new institutions in Northern Ireland.

It is envisaged that a comprehensive agenda will be adopted at the opening session of the negotiations, and that this should reflect impartially all the key concerns of the participants.

The ground rules make clear that no outcome is either predetermined or excluded in advance. They also state that:

Any participant in the strand in question will be free to raise any aspect of the three relationships, including constitutional issues and any other matter which it considers relevant.

I am sure all parties will wish to advance their own analysis of the situation and argue the case for their own preferred outcome.

The ground rules indicate, however, that it is common ground that any agreement, if it is to command widespread support, will need to give adequate expression to the totality of all three relationships. The paper recalls that the two Governments, for their part, have described a shared understanding of the parameters of a possible outcome of the negotiations in A New Framework for Agreement. We expect and intend that this key intergovernmental document will be on the table and fully considered in the negotiations.

Before the negotiations begin, some key issues remain to be decided, including the chairpersonship of strand two. The two Governments are consulting with one another and with the parties with a view to reaching agreement on a suitable candidate. It is clearly important that the person chosen should have the necessary expertise, qualifications and authority for what will be a very challenging task.

There is widespread agreement on the need for clarity on how the decommissioning question will be handled in the course of negotiations. Mr. David Trimble recently said that to leave this matter unresolved before 10 June "would be a recipe for confusion and disaster". It was to ensure that decommissioning could not become a source of further paralysis that I have proposed that the question be processed through some mechanism, or stream, proceeding in parallel with the political negotiations and periodically reporting to them. This would enable the decommissioning question, which is for a number of reasons, of a distinctly different character from the political issues which will be at the heart of the negotiations, to be advanced in a businesslike and efficient way. At the end of the negotiations, when the participants come to judgment on the overall package before them, they would factor in the progress made on decommissioning. This approach would in no way cut across the obligation placed on all participants in the negotiations to make clear at the beginning of the discussions their total and absolute commitment to the Mitchell principles of democracy and non-violence, including total and verifiable decommissioning. We are in continuing discussion about this question with the British Government and the parties.

The position regarding Sinn Fein has been reiterated in the House and elsewhere on countless occasions. The ground rules repeat the hope of both Governments that all political parties with an electoral mandate will be able to participate in all-party negotiations. It is obvious that the prospects of success in the negotiations would be greatly enhanced by the presence of Sinn Féin. What we seek is a truly inclusive agreement, to the achievement of which all would contribute. However, both Governments have also made abundantly clear that the resumption of ministerial dialogue with Sinn Féin, and their participation in negotiations, require the unequivocal restoration of the ceasefire of August 1994.

If the IRA fails to take the decision to restore the ceasefire and allow Sinn Féin to participate in the negotiations, it will mean that the republican viewpoint will not be represented in the comprehensive round table negotiations for which Sinn Féin has been calling since August 1994. This would plainly contradict the logic of Sinn Féin's own political analysis. The single step of an unequivocal restoration of the ceasefire would permit the entry of Sinn Féin to negotiations without further preconditions. The Taoiseach and I have publicly sought to address, in a comprehensive and detailed fashion, all the issues on which republicans might reasonably look for clarification. We have made clear our determination to ensure that the negotiations will be serious and meaningful and our conviction that the conditions are now right for such negotiations. It is important that all others with a central role to play equally make clear their genuine commitment to the success of the negotiations, irrespective of the very many difficult questions,including decommissioning, which will arise in them.

In our determination to do all we can to ensure that the negotiations will be completely inclusive, we have been equally emphatic that the Government's enduring commitment to the core values of consent and non-violence, which are embraced by all the parties in Dáil Éireann, can never be put in question. We fully recognise that the negotiations will not succeed without the constructive engagement of the Unionist community and its political leadership. Just as a settlement cannot follow an exclusively Unionist agenda, nor can it be determined by an exclusively Nationalist one. Our concept of inclusiveness embraces the full range of opinion within both communities and for that reason we want to see all the major Unionist and loyalist parties playing a full part in the negotiations.

I thank the Tánaiste for that useful review of the work of the Department. I am pleased we are considering its Estimates on the day the Supplementary Estimate has been produced because this gives us the whole picture. I am sure all Members wish you, the Taoiseach and the Government every success in the work which has been undertaken and which gives rise to the need for that Supplementary Estimate. I am pleased that your intention is that Ireland will send observers to the forthcoming presidential election in Russia. I am all the more pleased since I can report to you that the presence of two observers from this committee at the recent presidential election in Taiwan did not seem to cause the diplomatic difficulties which at one time you seemed to fear.

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this debate. I thank the Tánaiste for his comprehensive statement which deals with issues which will be crucial for Ireland's foreign policy such as our EU Presidency, Northern Ireland, Africa, the Middle East and the problems in the former Yugoslavia. In a true spirit of bipartisanship and with true sincerity, on behalf of Fianna Fáil I wish the Tánaiste and the Government every success in acting on behalf of the Irish people in the period ahead. It is vitally important, from the point of view not just of the Government but of the people, that the tasks and challenges ahead are handled in the most efficient and effective manner because they will affect not only people on this island but throughout the EU.

On 1 July our Presidency of the EU will commence and there are major challenges ahead for us. There will be 40 meetings at ministerial level. There will be around 100 meetings at official level but when subcommittees are taken into account, the number of meetings will run to thousands. The European Council will meet in Ireland on 13 and 14 December.

The Tánaiste suggests that the major issues confronting us include furthering Union action on employment, advancing the fight against illegal drugs, working for the smooth transition to European Monetary Union and consolidating the advances achieved by the single market. These are praiseworthy and important but of crucial importance at this time will be the role of the Irish Presidency in the beef crisis. Our farmers and meat factories are facing problems which they have never before encountered. We have a proud record in dealing with BSE as a result of a decision taken by the Government in 1989, in which I was honoured to serve, to destroy all herds in which BSE was detected. That policy was vitally important. There are reports or rumours this morning that butcher shops in Germany carry notices that no British or Irish beef is sold on the premises. It is important that we get across to our European partners the safety of Irish beef and the need to protect direct and indirect jobs in the beef industry. We should also use the Irish Presidency to develop environmental matters generally.

With regard to the former Yugoslavia and the role of the gardaí, who are doing such a good job there, a major challenge faces the Irish Presidency as IFOR's mandate will run out during that period. It is important to clarify what will happen in the future. We need to ensure a smooth transition to democracy and that will be a major challenge in view of the situation in Croatia and the problem of war criminals who are still at large in the Serbian mini-state.

I share the Tánaiste's concern about the financial crisis facing the UN and the need for reform. Ireland should use the term of its Presidency to tackle that problem. We will have an influential role during that time, particularly with regard to the relationship between Europe and the US. The US is one of the countries which has not paid its debts to the UN and it is important that we use our influence to encourage the US authorities to do so. In addition the UN should be reformed so that it can tackle the problems and tasks that lie ahead. It is also important that the UN set itself realistic rather than impossible tasks.

It is the belief and wish of the Fianna Fáil leader and party members that the Northern Ireland talks due to commence on 10 June will be successful. We also want to see the election process conducted successfully. In order for the talks to be successful there is a need for the participation of Sinn Féin. It is crucial that a ceasefire is called to permit the participation of Sinn Féin although no further preconditions should be placed in the way of that party's participation. However, we all want to see the restoration of the ceasefire.

I will outline how Fianna Fáil views the Framework Document and the three strand process. Having considered the problem for over 15 months, the two Governments issued the Framework Document which they considered to be the best way forward in terms of internal arrangements and arrangements between North and South, the east and west. That document is crucial to the talks commencing on 10 June and we do not wish to see it watered down.

I was sorely disappointed at the tone and content of Mr. Trimble's address during his recent visit to Dublin. He even dismissed co-operation on matters such as tourism which would be an obvious area for co-operation. His remarks did not augur well for the spirit in which the Unionist Party is approaching the talks. I hope that spirit will change and that the talks will be constructive from day one.

The role of Senator Mitchell has been excellent to date. The position of chairman for strand two has yet to be decided and the issue of decommissioning must also be decided. However, it is vitally important that Senator Mitchell and the participation and support of the American Government be taken on board. I urge the Tánaiste to involve Senator Mitchell during the forthcoming period. It is also important that the closest possible working relationship be maintained between the Taoiseach's and Tánaiste's offices and John Hume and the SDLP. I say that in a true spirit of bipartisanship. We want to see progress and peace on this island.

There has been a transfer of £18 billion into Ireland since 1973 when we joined the EU. What advances could have been made during that period if there had been peace on this island? What investment would we have experienced and what tourism advances would we have made? We have seen the effects of just 18 months of peace. A further 25 years of waste is too horrendous to contemplate. Everybody who is involved in the peace talks must ensure that they succeed. Does the Tánaiste have a view on a timeframe for the talks?

With regard to consent, we all share the view that only through a spirit of democracy and consent can the talks proceed. That was agreed by the Forum for Peace and Reconciliation. My colleagues will wish to discuss many other issues, particularly EU funding for Border areas and issues regarding the cultural relations committee. Those questions will be more relevant for the Minister of State, Deputy Burton, when she comes before the committee.

My final comments relate to neutrality. This is a crucial issue for Fianna Fáil. We do not see neutrality as isolationist. We see our country's role as the one we have played since the 1960s. We want to continue to participate in the fullest possible way by making our experience within the UN available in the EU but without involving ourselves in the Western European Union or in the partnership for peace. I have stated this on many occasions and I am putting it on record during our consideration of the Estimates. I do not believe the Government has a mandate to enter the Partnership for Peace. The issue should be put to the people for decision in a referendum. The period ahead is crucial for the people. We wish the Government every success during the Presidency and the peace talks.

The UN will face many crises in Bosnia, Croatia and the Middle East. We have not been given any answers about the attack on the Fijian base in Qana. This matter must be clarified for the sake of our peacekeeping troops. Whoever is responsible should be shown to be responsible in the eyes of the world and nobody should be defended. It is not sufficient for people to say the katyushas were fired from 300 metres or that they did not know there were civilians in the Qana base. Even if there was only one UN soldier in the base, that is no justification to fire into it at any time. We should highlight this matter during our Presidency.

I wish the Government and the Tánaiste well in the period ahead. We will give them every support while reserving our right to be critical if the Government does not handle particular issues well.

I note that there is no member from the Progressive Democrats or the Independents here. Deputies Connor, Walsh, Bree and O'Hanlon have indicated their wish to speak.

We are discussing the Supplementary Estimate to Vote 38 which provides funding for our participation in the forthcoming talks. The sume of £500,000 is relatively small but we hope it will pay major dividends. I agree with Deputy Burke's support for the Government in this regard. Political consensus is important in our approach to these talks. The Government's position, as outlined by the Tánaiste in the final paragraph of his speech, represents reasonableness and fair play and it would be difficult for anyone to quibble with it. I am delighted the Tánaiste has proposed a separate strand to deal with the difficult issue of decommissioning and I hope it is successful. It will run in conjunction with the other strands and will be taken into account in the final negotiations. I hope Sinn Féin and the Unionists will participate on 10 June and that the outcome will be successful.

We must use our Presidency to do whatever we can to resolve the agricultural crisis. We all know how important the beef industry is to the economy. There is hardly a constituency in the country which is not affected by it. We should use our influence during the EU Presidency to resolve this crisis which has been caused by tainted British beef. We must try to do everything we can to dispel the notion that Irish beef is the same as British beef.

The Tánaiste mentioned our role in Africa and the principle which informs our foreign aid, poverty reduction, etc. There are a number of issues in Africa, including the situation in Sub-Saharan Africa. I want to speak about Liberia but perhaps it is more relevant to what the Minister of State will deal with tomorrow. This is a major issue which must be taken up by the European Union. I do not know what Liberia's future is because it has fallen into anarchy. The same is probably true of Somalia, although we do not know because the United Nations and the press corps have left and nobody reports on it anymore. It appears there will not be any domestic solution to that country's problems in the foreseeable future.

Countries which fall into anarchy must become part of some form of international trusteeship. Liberia is a relatively small country; it is one of the oldest nation states in Africa. There is an obligation on the international community to ensure that no country falls into the hands of a group of unelected warlords who represent no more than their own selfish interests and who will murder people to achieve them. We must support the people of such poor wretched countries and try to resolve their problems.

We must be more careful about our relationship with certain countries that do not meet acceptable standards in terms of democracy, human rights practices, etc. I watched a programme on Burma last night by the Australian journalist, Mr. John Pilger. Its military regime, which gets much support from EU members particularly France and Spain with whom it has economic relations, has enslaved tens of thousands of people. The military Government is building a new Burma railroad and the programme showed thousands of people working on it. It is unacceptable that members of the European Union have formal relations with that country, promote it as a tourism area and sell weapons to it. We should discuss this as a matter of priority during our Presidency. We should not have any dealings with such pariah states. The best way to resolve the problems, apart from direct intervention, is to refuse to trade with them.

We support the need to reform the role of the United Nations and to take all possible action to resolve the financial crisis within that organisation. The Minister referred to Mozambique and Angola. United Nations forces recently re-entered these countries which initiated election processes in the early 1990s following the original intervention by the UN. Following the withdrawal of UN forces, however, there was mayhem and civil war erupted. This occurred because the United Nations mandate was limited to a specific period and no one foresaw what might occur when they withdrew. The United Nations has now re-entered these countries and invited the interested parties to negotiations at Lusaka with the aim of reaching a new agreement. It appears that everything is being done to facilitate the establishment of some form of national government. One wonders why this was not achieved in 1992 or 1993? Approximately 500,000 people were killed in the civil war there. This is part of the difficulty relating to the United Nations which must be tackled.

I congratulate the Tánaiste for developing the comprehensive programme in the Department of Foreign Affairs.

I will not repeat what was stated about the need for UN reform. It is so urgent that a major problem exists with regard to the UN fulfilling its intended role in various parts of the world. The European Union has taken responsibility for many areas where the United Nations is not fulfilling its obligations. During its Presidency of the European Union, Ireland will have a great opportunity to exercise its influence to deal with problems in various parts of the world, particularly Africa.

The United Nations seems unable to cope with the constraints placed upon it in Africa and the European Union has intervened and supplied essential services to countries in need as a result. One such country is Mozambique. I note that there will be an increase in aid to Mozambique and Tanzania, two countries in which I had the honour to act as an observer of elections and witnessed first hand the difficulties faced by both countries. I compliment the Tánaiste for his achievements in relation to development in Africa and request that during the Presidency of the European Union he will help to focus world attention on these areas.

I read a recent newspaper article which stated that South Africans have re-invaded Mozambique, but are now dressed in pinstripe suits. In other words, they are attempting to achieve that which they found impossible to do during the civil war. It appears that all is rosy in the region. However, the aid which Ireland supplies to the area will be important in helping to maintain the independence of Mozambique.

With regard to the Middle East, there is a need to impress upon Israel that the peace process must involve partnership. Israel must be seen to enter into dialogue with people it previously regarded as its enemies. The Israelis have succeeded in doing this with the Palestinians with whom they have formed a successful alliance. They have developed a peace process and entered into democratic elections. If this is to continue, they must realise that other people must be included in the same process. Israel's recent behaviour put the peace process in great danger. I ask the Tánaiste to direct attention towards that area. We are aware from dealing with Northern Ireland that we must be even-handed. However, certain things must be stated.

I echo the sentiments expressed by Deputy Connor on the horrific problems in Liberia. If we can do something about that we would be doing a great service to Africa. Many events in Africa are related and people often observe the behaviour of other African states in regions where disorder occurs. The situation in Liberia should be taken seriously and we should see what can be done to resolve the problems there.

At the Estimates meetings in 1993, 1994 and 1995, a number of Members raised the issue of the US embargo on Cuba. It was requested that the Irish Government might take a decision to support the UN resolution calling for the lifting of that embargo. Unfortunately that did not occur. On the last occasion when the issue was raised at the UN Council, however, the Irish Government voted in favour of the resolution. I congratulate the Tánaiste and the Cabinet for taking this courageous decision. Traditionally, Ireland is very friendly with the United States and has many strong ties with that country. The Government of the United States has been very helpful to Ireland in recent years in terms of the peace process. I do not doubt that the United States Government accepted our decision in the spirit in which it was intended. Ireland is a small country which for centuries had a big brother leaning on it. Many people recognise that there are similarities with this and the struggle between Cuba and the United States.

I note that Ireland is entering into a new relationship with Vietnam. The Tánaiste pointed out that last year we opened three new missions in Malaysia, the Czech Republic and Hungary. Has consideration been given to appointing a non-resident ambassador to the Republic of Cuba? At this stage in the history of our relationship with Cuba it is important that we offer further solidarity. Our European partners are offering solidarity in terms of diplomatic relations and are providing funds to Cuba at this difficult period of its history. Ireland should consider the appointment of a non-resident ambassador to Cuba.

The Tánaiste also raised the issue of Chechnya. There is increasing concern in Ireland at the growing level of repression being inflicted on the people of Chechnya by the Russian Government. Despite public pronouncements by President Yeltsin, the current Russian Government appears to be pursuing a policy of escalating the conflict. Ireland is playing its role in the OSCE but could further efforts be made to resolve the crisis and bring about a cease-fire, particularly in light of the forthcoming elections in Russia?

The international community has failed to resolve the financial crisis facing the UN. I understand that one of the reasons for that crisis is that larger nations such as the United States and Russia are failing to fulfil their obligations. What role can a small nation such as Ireland play in encouraging the larger nations to pay their dues?

On the issue of all-party talks and the ongoing peace process, I pay tribute to the Taoiseach, Tánaiste, Minister for Justice and the Cabinet for the work they have done on behalf of prisoners and their families. It is generally recognised that a resolution of the prisoner issue is essential to consolidating the peace process. The transfer of Paddy Kelly from Magheraberry Prison to Portlaoise Prison this week must be warmly welcomed by us all. Tribute must be paid to the Government for ensuring that transfer took place at this time. However, a number of other prisoners, some of whom have been in prison for over 20 years, have also sought transfers to prisons in Ireland. What steps are being taken in regard to the transfer of other prisoners?

The Tánaiste pointed out that subhead F.3, the allocation for the programme for peace and reconciliation, is a new subhead under which the Department of Foreign Affairs has specific responsibility for two measures. Obviously, as a Deputy from a Border county, I recognise the Government's commitment to the Border counties of Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan and Louth. I speak for the great majority in my constituency when I say we are very pleased with the consistent provision of funding for our constituency from Government funds. Will the Tánaiste enlighten us on these two measures and the role the Department of Foreign Affairs will play in them?

I support Deputy Burke's comments on the Tánaiste's contribution. It is important to reiterate the point in regard to the European Presidency and the need to address the serious problems facing the farming community and the beef industry where many jobs have been lost as a result of the BSE crisis. We need to use our authority during the EU Presidency and in the preceding weeks to ensure the issue is resolved.

There is an obvious need to speed up the process of transferring prisoners. In regard to the situation which arose yesterday, I am concerned that the British Home Secretary appears to have been aware for a number of weeks of the problems created for people on trial as a result of inadequate procedures in regard to evidence on explosives. We should be concerned that the information was not disclosed when it became known. It also raises a question in regard to the transfer of prisoners. If prisoners were transferred, would they be able to proceed with appeals on the grounds of possibly unsafe convictions arising from this new evidence? Will the Tánaiste pursue this urgent issue?

On United Nations reform, there is a need for a world authority to guard against the massive abuse of citizens in any country. The world should not stand by and allow atrocities such as the genocide in Rwanda to occur. However, one of the difficulties with a body such as the United Nations is that, unless there is serious reform, it is hard to see how it can be given that authority in light of the fact that some of the major players in the UN supply weapons of destruction to many countries, allowing Governments to engage in serious abuses and genocide. The countries who supply these weapons are the first to stand up at the United Nations and call for assistance to address the after effects of war, such as disease and famine. That area needs to be addressed so that the UN will have the authority to ensure those abuses do not occur.

There is a new subhead A.7 for consultancy services in 1996. Where did that appear in the 1995 Estimate? A group looking after Irish victims of AIDS in London recently had its allocation from the London health authority reduced. Is there any provision under subhead C whereby the Tánaiste's Department could assist that group?

In regard to subhead F.2, it is important to record our appreciation of the International Fund for Ireland and the contribution made by the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the European Union. That fund has made a very valuable and worthwhile contribution over the years to the regeneration of the economy in Border counties. I have read criticism of the IFI in the English media on a couple of occasions. That criticism was unfair because, living in the Border area, I am acutely aware of the very valuable contribution made by the International Fund for Ireland.

In regard to subhead F.3, the programme for peace and reconciliation, the paragraph refers to the five year community initiative and states that the Department of Foreign Affairs has specific responsibility for two measures under the cross-Border sub-programme. Are they part of the five year community initiative or are they two separate issues?

How much money is due to this country from the United Nations for services overseas? Does the Tánaiste see any hope of resolving the financial crisis which has existed for many years or of the moneys due to this country being paid?

Our consideration of the Estimate this year is put in a wider context by the fact we can now judge it against a foreign policy framework statement from the Government, which we will debate at 4 p.m. That is a very welcome development as it is difficult to consider these matters in isolation. We will be better able to judge the Estimate if we can refer to policy objectives set out by the Government in the White Paper.

I join in the support for the Supplementary Estimate for the Northern Ireland talks. I share the hope expressed by Members that circumstances will be such by 10 June, that all parties, including Sinn Féin, will be able to participate in the negotiations. I join with Deputy Bree in acknowledging the work done by the Tánaiste, the Department and others on the prisoners' issue. I know the difficult and painstaking work that has been done on the Paddy Kelly case. I compliment the Tánaiste and his officials for their efficient and conscientious work over anumber of years.

I agree with putting the question of employment at the centre of the future development of the Union as an important objective of our Presidency. The workings of the EU are often seen as being out of touch with the needs of the people and we must guard against that when we hold the Presidency. If people do not see tangible results, the level of support for Europe that has been shown on a number of occasions in this country will be in danger of declining. I welcome the Tánaiste's statement that this issue will be put at centre stage and I wish him and his Government colleagues success in their endeavours.

In our discussions during the year we noted the lack of diplomatic representation in Latin America. In central America we have no diplomatic representation at ambassador level. What measures is the Department taking to address this? Central America deserves our attention for a number of reasons, one of which is NAFTA and the fact that Mexico is part of it. In addition, the disadvantages of having only a resident mission in Buenos Aires, in the southern part of Latin America, has become obvious in our discussions during the year.

The White Paper on foreign policy sets an objective of extending counsellor services in the UK. We have a number of representations in the US, but paradoxically, even though the UK has the biggest number of Irish people abroad we have only one diplomatic mission there. What are the plans in respect of this matter?

On the question of election observation and the assistance which the Department is giving for measures to build democracy and respect for human rights, many people, both inside and outside the Oireachtas——

Mr. Fergus Finlay cannot be everywhere.

——have participated in election observation over a number of years. The wealth of experience built up is not being channelled in the most productive direction. I became familiar recently with the work of the Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance which is based in Stockholm. I understand that many of our partner states in the EU contribute to the work of that institute. The lessons learned from the various exercises in democracy around the world will be very important in informing our future participation in such ventures. Will the Tánaiste give consideration to Ireland's involvement and contribution to the institute?

Almost all speakers mentioned Northern Ireland. There is an acceptance of the importance of Northern Ireland and of what this and previous Governments have been doing for many years to try to bring about a peaceful resolution to the conflict. For many years we have all wanted the start of all party talks. An effort was made in 1991-92. Progress was made at those talks, despite what people said at the time, and it left a foundation for us to build on. We want to do this on 10 June.

There may be different nuances from time to time. It is the function of the Opposition to raise questions and to be critical where criticism is deserved. All parties in the House want the talks to be successful, as do the people in both communities, North and South. We are going into these talks in a spirit of generosity and compromise to try to reach a settlement.

The Presidency will be extremely important. I have outlined the priorities for our agenda. Members mentioned the beef crisis. The EU faces a very serious situation. It is primarily a matter for the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry but from the moment this crisis happened we took every possible step at diplomatic level to ensure that information was made available. Our ambassadors throughout the world, especially in Egypt and the Gulf region, were in contact and were assisted by the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry and the semi-State agencies.

We have taken prompt action to assure foreign authorities and customers of the safety of Irish beef primarily with the intention of protecting very important and valuable foreign markets. We have had successes in a number of countries such as Egypt and Lebanon. In Germany the ambassador chairs a committee drawn from the semi-State organisations. Our priority is to counter the statements made which were raised by Deputy Burke. We will continue to do this because it is clear, from the available veterinary evidence, that Irish beef is safe. While we will continue to protect our interests, that is not to underestimate the serious problems which we and the EU face.

The environment is central to everything Europe does at this stage. The question of the former Yugoslavia will be very important for us. It will be one of the main areas in terms of external relations. We are conscious of the IFOR mandate and the fact that there must be an understanding between the US and Europe. Discussions have taken place and will continue for the foreseeable future.

Reform of the UN has been discussed on a number of occasions, including the reform of the Security Council, a better relationship between the Security Council and the General Assembly and the payment of contributions. We can speak with a degree of authority on this because we have always paid our contributions on time and in full and we have discussed the issue with the various authorities who are in default. Some progress can be reported. I welcome the US commitments to catch up on its back payments.

There are differences of opinion on the question of neutrality and the Partnership for Peace. We discussed them on the last occasion I attended the committee. There is little point in repeating views already expressed. We will have further debates on these matters. It is important that people understand what we are discussing. We are trying our best to ensure that, through the White Paper and other seminars, people have full information.

Deputy Connor mentioned the incident at Qana. We made the Government's position clear and issued a strong statement. We welcome the report on what happened which was submitted to the UN last week. It was an outrageous incident and should not have happened. The Israeli reaction to the Hizbollah attacks went far beyond what I would regard as acceptable. We made this clear to the authorities and will continue to do so.

Deputy Connor raised the question of Liberia. We had discussions in Brussels last Monday on this and the necessity for action to be taken by the EU. It is an appalling situation. While there are no easy solutions we must see what action we can take. He mentioned Burma which is now called Myanmar. In developing relations with countries the EU obviously takes cognisance of the promotion of human rights and democracy in those countries. These are the objectives of the EU's Common Foreign and Security Policy. I assure the Deputy that any relations or contacts we have with them would be based on those principles, I did not see the programme in question, but I know Mr. Pilger is an authoritative commentator and I would take cognisance of any programmes in which he has been involved. I met him some years ago and discussed many of these issues with him.

Many Deputies referred to our foreign service. In the past 12 months we expanded the foreign service with the opening of four new embassies, the most recent of which was in Israel where our Ambassador presented his credentials yesterday. That was very important in the context of our Presidency and the continuing interest of the EU in the Middle East peace process.

I can speak on South America with more authority now than I could have done a month ago having visited three countries there. Our Ambassador and his predecessors are doing great work from Buenos Aires, but attempting to cover most of South America from there is an onerous task to say the least, as is covering Brazil from Lisbon. It presents serious difficulties. That area and Mexico are priority areas for us.

Deputy Bree mentioned Cuba. We have regular contact with the Cuban authorities at political and official levels and we will continue to do so. The question of extending diplomatic relations is a matter which is kept under constant review. I hope there will be further expansion in that area next year. Ultimately, that is a decision for Government. I believe that the method of expanding the foreign service which we applied to the new Central East European countries and Malaysia in terms of the Ireland House concept, is an appropriate one for modern day diplomacy and for protecting and extending our trade interests.

I am grateful for the remarks on prisoner transfers. The Government regards this as a priority and we will continue our discussions with the British authorities in that respect. A question was raised with regard to the position where prisoners may be considering appealing their sentences. That is a legal matter on which I do not have guidance at present but I assume one would have to look at that on a case by case basis. We have expressed our concern about the Home Secretary's announcement yesterday on the contamination of forensic testing.

As regards consultancy costs being under a separate subhead, as of last year they were under subhead A3, incidental expenses. They are quite minimal. The provision is £70,000, and is broken down as follows: Price Waterhouse has been commissioned to develop a staff appraisal system for the diplomatic grades in the context of the Strategic Management Initiative in the public service; Brian McIver, a professional training consultant recommended by the Civil Service Training Centre, has been commissioned in relation to EO and HEO grades; and Fusio, a company which specialises in the Internet, has been commissioned to design the format of the Department's new Internet service. All these matters are to improve the quality and delivery of services.

Rwanda was mentioned and there was criticism of the UN's inability, hesitancy or lack of effectiveness in dealing with crises such as those in Somalia or Rwanda. Some of the criticism is justified. In the case of Somalia, the UN failed to react quickly enough. In Rwanda, the scale of the problem, the modest response by the UN initially and the loss of life suffered by Belgian troops threw the UN into disarray. We need better analysis, planning, and early intervention with a view to prevention rather than trying to catch up with conflicts as they unfold along the horrendous scales we have seen in the Great Lakes region.

The mandate is the whole problem.

I will deal quickly with the questions asked on subhead F3. This is a new expenditure item which arises from the European Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation in Northern Ireland. It provides for a five year Community initiative with funding of approximately £240 million allocated for the first three years. The Department of Finance has overall responsibility for the implementation of the agreed operational programme. The Department of Foreign Affairs has responsibility for the implementation and monitoring of certain measures under the cross-Border development sub-programme. In particular, we have responsibility for two measures — one concerned with cross-Border business and cultural linkages and the other with co-operation between public bodies, both of which are covered in subhead F3. For the duration of the programme, the Department will be responsible for expenditure of approximately £9.95 million under the two measures. The sum of £1 million has been allocated for 1996 and, while distinction is made between the two measures within the subhead, we are informally anticipating this as an 80/20 per cent split in favour of measure one. Our role in measure one is to transfer funds to Co-operation North, a designated intermediary body, and the Department will not be involved in the determination of individual project applications under this measure. No expenditure has been incurred to date and, as this is a new service, expenditure should not be incurred until the Department's Vote has been passed by the Dáil.

Chechnya has been raised by a number of Deputies, and rightly so. It is a matter of grave concern to the European Union and is on our agenda regularly at the General Affairs Council. It cannot be resolved by military means. Our efforts, therefore, are directed towards the promotion of a negotiated solution through the OSCE. We are especially concerned about human rights abuses and civilian casualties. Ireland, together with our EU partners, has made known our deep concerns about these actions to the Russian authorities and has supported actions at UN level also.

As the committee is aware, President Yeltsin's peace plan for Chechnya was published on 31 March. This provided for a cease-fire, a phased withdrawal of troops and mediated negotiations. It could, I believe, provide a basis for negotiation. The President has also indicated his intention to visit the region and he may meet separatist leaders there. Unfortunately, the fighting continues and troop withdrawals begun under the peace plan were suspended following the deaths of about 11 Russian soldiers in an attack by the separatists. In addition, the death of the separatist leader, General Dudayev, has created a degree of uncertainty about the immediate situation. The immediate requirement to enable progress to be made towards a peaceful settlement remains the establishment of a lasting ceasefire, and this has been the main focus of the EU in recent days and weeks.

Deputy Gallagher raised the question of consulates in the United Kingdom in the context of the diplomatic services. We are well served, particularly in the USA, by consulates. The Department is examining ways of improving consular services in Britain at present, and that will include looking at the question of consular representation.

Report of Select Committee.

I thank the Tánaiste for his comprehensive reply. I propose that the following report be made to the Dáil:

The Select Committee on Foreign Affairs has considered the following Revised Estimate for the Public Service for 1996, Vote 38 — Foreign Affairs, and a Supplementary Estimate, Vote 38 — Foreign Affairs and they are hereby reported to the Dáil.

Report agreed to.

Ordered to report to the Dáil accordingly.

The Select Committee adjourned at 4.10 p.m.

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