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SELECT COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, EQUALITY, DEFENCE AND WOMEN'S RIGHTS díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 20 Feb 2008

Overseas Missions: Motion.

We have a quorum and are in public session. I apologise to members and the Minister of State for the slight delay arising out of the tapes. This meeting has been convened for the purpose of the consideration by this committee of the following motion:

That Dáil Éireann approves the report by the Minister for Defence regarding service by the Defence Forces with the United Nations in 2006, copies of which were laid before Dáil Éireann on 23 August 2007, in accordance with section 13 of the Defence (Amendment) Act, 2006.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Defence, Deputy Tom Kitt, and his officials to the meeting. I wish to advise members that the committee is required to consider the motion and report back to the Dáil by 28 February. I request that all mobile telephones be switched off. I advise members that we are required to complete our consideration of the motion by 2.45 p.m. so that the room can be vacated in preparation for another meeting of the committee at 3 p.m. I ask the Minister of State to make his presentation.

On behalf of the Minister for Defence and on my own behalf as the Minister of State at the Department of Defence, I am pleased to report to the committee on Defence Forces participation in United Nations missions in 2006. The report for 2006 was laid before the Dáil on 23 August 2007. The following motion has been placed on the Order Paper for the Dáil:

That Dáil Éireann approves the report by the Minister for Defence regarding service by the Defence Forces with the United Nations in 2006, copies of which were laid before Dail Eireann on 23 August 2007, in accordance with Section 13 of the Defence (Amendment) Act, 2006.

In commending the motion, I will outline some of the key aspects of Ireland's involvement with the UN in the past couple of years. I am sure that members will join me in wishing a safe and successful tour to the members of the Army ranger wing who are deploying today to the UN-mandated EU mission to the Republic of Chad and the Central African Republic, EUFOR TCHAD-RCA. Some 50 ARW personnel will arrive in Chad's capital, N'Djamena, tomorrow to form part of EUFOR's initial entry force. Some 400 Irish personnel will join the ARW personnel in Chad in the coming weeks. When the Irish deployment to EUFOR TCHAD-RCA is completed by mid to late May, it will bring our total overseas commitment to approximately 870 personnel, just over the overall maximum commitment of 850 personnel overseas at any one time. This ongoing level of engagement in international peace support operations reflects Ireland's commitment to play its role in support of international peace and security in accordance with its obligations under the UN charter.

In 2006, the Defence Forces continued to make a major contribution to international peacekeeping through their participation in UN-led and UN-authorised missions. On average, approximately 738 personnel were deployed on 13 different missions in Africa, Europe, the Middle East and Asia during this period. Relative to our size and available resources and capabilities, both financial and military, Ireland is proportionately a large peacekeeping contributor within the international community.

In the year under review, the Defence Forces maintained Ireland's long and historic association with the African continent with the continued deployment of a contingent with the United Nations Mission in Liberia, UNMIL, service which began in December 2003. The contingent comprised a motorised infantry battalion of some 430 personnel who, together with an integrated Swedish company, acted as the force commander's quick reaction force, QRF. The Defence Forces contingent in UNMIL was Ireland's largest overseas deployment since our contingent was withdrawn from UNIFIL in Lebanon in 2001. In 2003, I visited Liberia as the Minister of State with responsibility for overseas development prior to the deployment of the UN force to Liberia. I visited the country again in 2004 and witnessed the outstanding manner in which the Defence Forces performed their duties in the mission and helped to bring stability to a key region of Africa. I was truly proud of what they were doing.

Initially, the Irish battalion in UNMIL operated in a pathfinding and reconnaissance role mainly, supporting the deployment of other UN contingents. It conducted long-range patrols beyond Monrovia and well into the interior of Liberia, thereby showing a UN presence, deterring lawlessness and protecting local populations. The contingent undertook regular daily patrols within the Monrovia area. The battalion was available to the force commander to provide support and a rapid response capability in the event of a breakdown in law and order or further conflict. The QRF assisted in the transfer from Monrovia to the Special Court for Sierra Leone in Freetown of the former president, Charles Taylor, for trial in accordance with the requirements of the UN, following his arrest in Nigeria on 29 March 2006. The QRF assisted and provided security for the transfer of the former president from Sierra Leone to the court in the Hague in June 2006 where he is standing trial. The trial, which began in June 2007, is ongoing and is scheduled to take at least 12-18 months to conclude.

Ireland was due to complete its participation in UNMIL in November 2006. However, following a request from the then Secretary General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan, the Government agreed that the Defence Forces would undertake one further six-month rotation until May 2007 whereupon the contingent would be withdrawn. The downsizing of the contingent as part of a phased withdrawal commenced in June 2006 following discussions with the UN. The Swedish contingent, which partnered Ireland in the QRF, withdrew its personnel in December 2006 and was replaced by a company from Pakistan. Eventually, Pakistan assumed the full role of QRF on Ireland's withdrawal in May 2007.

In response to the July-August 2006 crisis in Lebanon, the UN decided under UN Security Council Resolution 1701 to extend the mandate of UNIFIL to the end of August 2007 and to increase its troop strength from approximately 2,000 troops to a maximum of 15,000. Accordingly, at the request of the UN, a contingent of the Permanent Defence Force comprising 158 personnel was deployed to southern Lebanon on 31 October 2006 for a one-year period as part of an Irish-Finnish engineering battalion that conducted construction and maintenance tasks in support of UNIFIL. The primary role of the Irish mechanised company was to provide protection and security for personnel of the Finnish engineering company. The Irish contingent completed its tour of duty on 31 October 2007 and returned to Ireland in November 2007. At the request of the UN, a small number of Irish personnel continue to be retained at the force headquarters.

As members of the committee will be aware, the nature of peacekeeping operations is changing from traditional UN-led missions to regionally led peace operations with the onus being placed on regional states to organise and assemble peacekeeping troops for the purpose of discharging a UN mandate. These missions represent the trend in UN peacekeeping where missions operate under the control of an established command structure or a lead nation rather than under direct command of the UN. This change has implications for the manner in which these operations are organised and structured, with a much greater emphasis on bilateral relations with established military command structures, such as NATO and the EU, and between participating states and troop contributing countries. However, irrespective of the lead role in the mission, decisions on participation in any particular mission remain a sovereign issue, which in Ireland's case means the mission must have a UN mandate and must be approved by the Government and by Dáil Éireann in accordance with Irish law.

In addition to our contribution to UN blue hat operations in 2006, Ireland made a significant contribution to regionally-led operations. Throughout 2006, Ireland continued its commitment to the western Balkans with the deployment of a contingent with the NATO-led international security presence in Kosovo, KFOR, and with the EU-led Operation Althea in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Ireland contributes 41 personnel to EUFOR in Bosnia and Herzegovina, mainly in staff and headquarter posts. A total of 217 personnel are deployed in KFOR where Ireland contributes an armoured personnel carrier, APC, mounted infantry company to a multinational task force and 11 personnel serve at the force HQ. Ireland took over command of the multinational task force in August 2007 for a period of 12 months. An additional 57 personnel have been deployed to KFOR to undertake this function. During my visit to Kosovo in September 2007, I had the privilege of witnessing the invaluable contribution to peace and stability being made by the Defence Forces there, using their many diplomatic and people skills and dealing with many different and challenging events.

The Defence Forces participated in two EU missions in the period, namely, the support mission to the African Union Mission in Sudan, AMIS II, which concluded in December 2007, and the Aceh Monitoring Mission, AMM, in Indonesia, which concluded in December 2006. As well as the above missions, Ireland was also engaged in a range of other UN-authorised missions as set out in the report.

On the question of reimbursement by the UN, I am glad to be able to advise the committee that we are fully up to date in this regard. In 2007, the UN reimbursed approximately €10.2 million. The amount owed to Ireland by the UN at 31 December 2007 arising from participation in UN missions was €138,000, a relatively modest sum.

Before concluding, I would like to draw the attention of the committee to the humanitarian aspects of Ireland's participation in peacekeeping missions. Increasingly, in the international environment, humanitarian tasks go hand in hand with military tasks in peacekeeping missions. This has been a particular facet of Ireland's participation in overseas missions over the years. In this regard, Irish troops serving overseas display not alone their professional commitment in fulfilling the United Nations mandate, but also support and encourage the local people. In my travels abroad as Minister of State with responsibility for overseas development, I saw this at first hand on many occasions.

During the Defence Forces service with UNMIL in Liberia, an AIDS hospice, run by the Missionaries of Charity, the order of Mother Theresa, was assisted on a personal, voluntary basis by members of the Irish battalion. Irish Defence Forces personnel, on a voluntary basis, completed most of this work in their spare time. The main source of funding towards this humanitarian work came from Irish Aid and through funding raised by Irish contingents. In Kosovo also, the Defence Forces have undertaken a number of humanitarian projects with Irish Aid funding which have made a significant impact on the lives of the people there.

These types of projects are part and parcel of the manner in which Ireland discharges its peacekeeping mandate, which respects and supports the dignity of the people and communities we serve. I acknowledge the excellent work of the Defence Forces in this regard which I observed at first hand when I visited Irish personnel serving overseas. Their work and commitment to the local community is much admired and remarked upon by the people in the areas in which they serve.

Participation in overseas peacekeeping missions is a key element of Ireland's foreign policy and has been an important dimension in meeting Ireland's international obligations as a member of the UN and the EU. Irish foreign policy is directed at supporting co-operative arrangements for collective security through the development of international organisations, especially the United Nations, and supporting effective international action in areas such as disarmament, peacekeeping, development and human rights. This approach continues to define Irish priorities within the UN system and Ireland remains willing to play a full role in contributing to the security of Europe and the world.

Finally, I commend the individual soldiers, who have served and who continue to serve on overseas missions, together with their families and loved ones. Without their loyal and continuing support, Ireland's strong tradition of service overseas, under the auspices of the United Nations, would not be possible.

I welcome the Minister of State but I am disappointed that the Minister is not here. I understand he is elsewhere but appearing before the committee would have afforded us the opportunity to ask questions on the mission to Chad that remain unanswered since yesterday.

I will do my best to respond to questions on Chad.

Hopefully the Minister of State knows more than the Minister for Defence.

I would never claim that.

He will not be as abrasive anyway.

My colleague, Deputy Deasy, raised the matter of transport arrangements for the Irish mission to Chad. He suggested that no transport arrangements were in place for the main body of troops to Chad. I am sure there are now transport arrangements in place.

I asked the Minister about medical support in Chad for the Irish mission. The main military hospital, a level two hospital, will be operated by the Italians in Abeche. The Irish zone will be 160 km from Abeche. In the event of casualties, disease or accidents, it would take at least two hours for a helicopter to make the return journey to collect the person. The recommended time from the place of accident to the field hospital is one hour. This arrangement runs contrary to EU guidelines. There was a demand that two helicopters be made available to the Irish troops on a permanent basis. These were to be sourced from the Ukraine. Can the Minister of State confirm these helicopters are available for the Irish mission? As regards air transport capability, Chad is a much poorer country than Ireland but has greater air transport capability. This is another issue I raised with the Minister and it does not say much for our capability. We should be able to use our helicopters in Chad but they are not long range enough and are unsuitable.

I appeal to the Minister of State about the issues that have arisen. Deputy O'Shea and I have been very co-operative and have not sought headlines. It would be appropriate that Lieutenant General Pat Nash should appear before the committee to answer questions on the medical backup and transport. Lieutenant General Nash is based in Paris and is not the leader of the ground forces, which are led by a French man based in Paris and whose assistant is General Fitzgerald. Asking Lieutenant General Nash questions would reassure those who are travelling and their families that everything possible is in place to support the mission to Chad.

I do not wish to interrupt Deputy Deenihan in full flight but I must ask the Vice Chairman, Deputy McGinley, to take the Chair. I suggest that we discuss this in private session at the next meeting. I do not know whether it is appropriate to bring the chief of staff before the committee but we must examine it.

Deputy Dinny McGinley took the Chair.

This year marks the 50th anniversary of Ireland's involvement in peacekeeping operations. The first operation was in the Lebanon. Since then, Ireland has more than played its part. The personnel sent out have been a credit to us and great ambassadors. They have connected with communities in Africa, the Middle East and further afield. People welcome the Irish forces when they arrive in a place of conflict. They use the Irish spirit of compromise and diplomacy to a greater extent than their counterparts. Because our country was under foreign rule for so long we are probably more understanding. We appreciate and respect people's aspirations more than others. For this reason Irish troops have been effective as peacekeepers and have an outstanding record of achievement. We should not forget this.

On behalf of my Party I wish the best of luck to the 50 members of the Army ranger wing leaving today for Chad and to the 350 troops who will follow them. Their families should know they have our support and best wishes. When one joins the army one must take risks and it will not be easy. This is one of the reasons people join the army. An element of danger always exists. Apparently they are properly equipped but we also demand that they have the necessary medical backup. We seek answers on this matter. We want everything possible done to ensure minimal exposure to the risks involved. I wish them safe passage and I am sure they will all return in one piece and be better people as a result of the experience.

I know a number of people who were in Liberia. They expressed concern about the simple matter of water. Their water supply was from the UN but it was inferior. This is first-hand information I received from somebody who lost a stone and a half in a short period of time there. The Swedish troops had their own filtration service and the Irish obtained water from them. Liberia is on the coast and the ocean has a temperate effect on the climate. This time, our troops will be in the middle of the continent, 2,000 km inland. The terrain will be far more hostile and the climate far more humid. The troops in Liberia raised concerns about the tents they had. The air conditioning in them was ineffective. I raised this matter in the Dáil with the Minister. I hope the troops in Chad will have an improved type of tent. In Liberia, the Swedish troops had a different form of accommodation which was far more comfortable and effective.

With regard to Kosovo, will the Minister of State refer to the fact that the Kosovars have declared independence. I saw a headline in The Irish Times today stating, “Serb gangs attack and burn posts at Kosovo border”. Is it possible this is the beginning of another period of unrest in this region? It was relatively quiet and stable until the Kosovars declared independence, which we have recognised. How would unrest in Kosovo affect the Irish mission or presence there? Would Irish personnel remain there if the situation became serious or would they have to be withdrawn?

With regard to Lebanon, the Middle East has become destabilised. As a country, we should encourage the Israelis and the United States to ensure agreement is reached between all parties concerned in the Lebanon. The recent Lebanese war was fought with great intensity. We know the Israelis have probably the most effective fire power in the world. Hizbollah is also well-armed and this leads to the potential for serious clashes. Will the Minister of State also refer to this in his reply?

I join the Minister of State in commending individual soldiers and I would like his officials to refer to this. Some time ago, I raised in the Dáil the issue of overseas allowances. I do not know whether this matter has been resolved. At the national conference of PDFORRA in 2006, the Minister gave a commitment that if a proposal came before him for an increase in the overseas allowance he would give it favourable consideration. An increase of approximately 15% was mentioned. Recently, I saw that 5% was offered. This is a pittance, perhaps amounting to €5 per day. If our military personnel are prepared to risk their lives in going abroad they should be properly remunerated. The overseas allowance should be attractive and meaningful. As a gesture in the case of Chad which, as people predict, could be one of the most difficult missions since the Congo, the overseas allowance should be substantially increased, at least to the level more or less promised by the Minister.

I do not like to curtail any discussion but I remind Deputies that we are obliged to leave this room by 2.45 p.m.

I apologise. I thought we had the room until 3.45 p.m.

I will be brief to facilitate colleagues. The period we are discussing today is 2006. We have no report of fatalities or serious injury which is to be welcomed. Listening to the Minister of State speak and having examined the briefing notes prior to this meeting, one feels proud of the contribution our armed forces make overseas.

In Liberia, members of the Defence Forces voluntarily helped out at an AIDS hospice. I am aware of another project in Liberia, namely the book project. It is an English-speaking country with a major shortage of school books. The Army chaplains organised the project whereby the Army delivered books to schools throughout the country. Used school books were gathered in Ireland along with reparable computers and musical instruments. This was a major contribution to a country rebuilding after several years of war. Does the Minister of State have an update on this project? How successful has it been and is there a dividend? The Minister of State may not have that information to hand but I would like to know the success rate.

On behalf of the Labour Party, I wish the 50 members of the Army ranger wing who are about to deploy to Chad every success and safety. We are under no illusion about the difficulty of this mission compared with previous ones but we have great confidence in the force commander and the Army's ability to withstand attacks and deal with any difficulty that may arise. The Minister for Defence assured members on a number of occasions that every possible precaution has been taken to ensure the safety of our troops.

By the end of May, when the full contingent of 400 soldiers will be in Chad, we will have exceeded our maximum overseas commitment of 870 and 8% of the Defence Forces will be on overseas missions. Proportionately, we are making a significant contribution to peace and rebuilding in difficult regions. In the context of last night's developments in Kosovo where two customs posts were attacked with machinery and explosives, there are reasons for concern. I ask for reassurance that such situations have been contemplated and effective measures are in place to deal with them.

The report reflects well on the country and the Defence Forces. I am sure everything that happens in Chad will be to our credit but, most importantly, I hope everyone returns safely.

I commend our security forces on the magnificent work they do internationally. They have been successful because our independent foreign policy is respected by all sides. We should always be vigilant about that because we will lose respect if we change.

On the mission to Chad, has the Minister of State concerns about major threats to Irish soldiers, especially in light of recent events and the opposition expressed in that country to French involvement in the force?

The Minister of State noted that he visited Liberia in 2004 where he witnessed at first hand the outstanding manner in which Defence Forces members acted. Did any violence take place while he was in Liberia?

Before sending Defence Forces on peacekeeping missions, a UN mandate and approval by the Government and Dáil Éireann is required. Will this be changed in the context of the Lisbon treaty? Some people have expressed concerns to me on the issue.

In 2007 the UN reimbursed Ireland to the tune of €10.2 million and we are now only owed €138,000. That seems an exceptionally low figure. Have procedures dramatically changed within the UN to make reimbursements more efficient? If so, I welcome the change because this and other Governments have been left out of pocket for many years.

In regard to our international obligations as a UN member state, the Minister of State referred to disarmament, peacekeeping, development and human rights. These should remain our core obligations and we should not get sucked into any other use of our Defence Forces.

I welcome the Minister of State and concur with Deputy McGrath's comments. We have built up a great tradition of peacekeeping and respect throughout the world. I commend all those who have been involved in that.

I wish the Army Ranger wing a safe mission when they leave for Chad tomorrow. The remaining 350 members of the mission will join them later. I hope we can assure their families their loved ones will be fully resourced and equipped with the most up-to-date matériel.

The African question will be one of the major issues facing the world in the 21st century. We have spent time in Liberia and now we are heading to Chad. I welcome the opportunity for Ireland to play its part in peacekeeping missions on the continent and I am sure the local people will be happy to see us arrive. Deputy Deenihan raised the issue of medical evacuation units and ensuring adequate back-up is available. The golden hour is important for anyone who is injured. Medical units or a helicopter should be located in camps because, as we all know, conflict zones are complicated and the rebel forces are well equipped. It is important we allay people's fears in that regard.

In case the Minister of State does not have time to respond to all questions, will he put his further responses in writing?

I will try to respond as quickly as I can and will do my best to have a written response issued on any matter I fail to address. As it is right that Deputies are fully informed, a regular briefing on Chad will be made available to Opposition spokespersons.

I thank members for their contributions. It is understandable that Chad is the central issue of the meeting given that our Army ranger wing is deploying today. I am acquainted with the operations commander, General Pat Nash. He is an excellent choice and will do his job well. He has a highly skilled planning team and they will do their best to ensure the safety of Irish troops. They are making informed decisions and senior military advisers have confirmed to us that arrangements are in place for the safety of the mission. I am not directing my comments against Deputy Deenihan in particular but for some reason, certain Fine Gael Members have been chipping away at the issue of security and safety.

I stand corrected if that is the case.

He is doing it in response to direct contact from some of the people who are very much involved in the mission. He felt he had an obligation to raise these issues in the Dáil because of that contact.

I have been following the debate and understand we are referring to a particular Deputy who raised this issue yesterday, but other Deputies have raised the matter in the past few weeks. I have a particular interest in this subject because of my interest in human rights and development. It is an area in which Ireland can play a major role. I visited Darfur, on the other side of the border, in 2004 and probably went into areas that I should not have gone into with Mr. John O'Shea. We were advised by officials not to go to certain areas and I became aware of the dangers for NGOs in particular on that occasion.

In a democracy it is certainly valid to raise concerns about safety and we are discussing safety issues today. However, I am concerned that if we raise the stakes too high, we will raise fears among families, which is a real danger. We are starting on the basis that this is not a safe region. The soldiers are going out to do a job, to save lives, if they can. They are there to help up to 400,000 refugees and internally displaced people. The Irish people as a whole wish them well and hope they have a safe mission. They will make a major contribution. We are, however, starting on the basis that it is not a safe region. In that context, we must try to do our utmost to ensure the safety of the troops, ensuring that logistics, medical facilities and so forth are in place. I had a sense that certain members of the committee were over-playing the safety card. If I am wrong, I am open to correction on that.

Legitimate issues have been raised by various members of the committee today. We will ensure, with people like General Pat Nash in place, working with the other 15 countries involved in the mission, that everything is done properly with regard to personnel and transport. We are not in the business of placing troops in unnecessary danger. There are major plans in place with regard to evacuation and so forth.

The operations commander, who happens to be Irish, has expressed his satisfaction with progress, planning and logistics and I am happy to take his word on that. Nobody here today, unless somebody has a military background, is an expert in this area, but we all share the view that we must ensure that the maximum safety provisions are put in place. It is important to avoid raising doubts in the minds of the public, especially of the families of troops who are going to Chad. The necessary logistics are being put in place. It is particularly important not to raise unnecessary worries about the medical facilities. No nation, Ireland included, will deploy troops if the appropriate medical facilities are not available. There is a well established system of medical cover for such missions from level one to level two.

I apologise but I have to be in the Dáil Chamber for a question shortly and I ask Deputy Seán Connick to take the Chair in my absence.

Deputy Seán Connick took the Chair.

I will try to cover some of the other issues raised, which include transport, medical support and the position of General Pat Nash

Is the necessary transport in place?

All the logistical arrangements are in place. The operations commander, General Pat Nash, is satisfied in this regard, which obviously means that the necessary transport provisions have been made. While I am not out there on the ground, the operations commander is in place and as far as I am concerned he would not let the troops enter Chad unless all the necessary logistics were in place, including the areas of legitimate concern raised by the Deputy.

Deputy Brian O'Shea acknowledged the position regarding fatalities and mentioned Kosovo. I visited Kosovo last year, where Irish personnel are also stationed, including Brigadier General Gerry Hegarty, who is a top quality military person. I saw at first hand the situation on the ground there. As members will know, our forces have a particular remit there. They are not located in the northern area, where there are serious dangers, and the Deputy is right to refer to them. However, I am confident, with the quality of personnel and the facilities and equipment at their disposal, they will do their job well. They have been doing it well to date and I was very privileged to see that.

I will follow up on and revert to the Deputy on the project he mentioned, in which Irish Aid was involved. Deputy Finian McGrath mentioned Liberia and I was there on two occasions. I saw the improvements even in the short period between my two visits. The Irish people did fantastic work in going outside Monrovia and mixing with people. That is a common theme in the work they do and the Irish troops have a tremendous ability to mix with people, talk to them and calm situations.

The issues of child soldiers and disarmament were enormously important in Liberia. The most notable change that I saw in that short period was the improvement in the economy. In Monrovia, I saw the return of some markets and people were out and about, buying and selling goods. However, there is still a long way to go. There was much tension and fear there but now that Mr. Taylor has been brought to trial, hopes are high that things can improve. Nonetheless, much work remains to be done.

On the Lisbon treaty, the triple-lock will be maintained with regard to any future developments and the treaty guarantees that. The UN is more efficient now, which is apparent in the return of moneys. However, this mission will cost us more because it is an EU mission rather than a UN one. The Deputy also mentioned the humanitarian dimension.

Deputy Connick referred to the medical situation but again I assure him that the normal planning requirements and logistics are in place in terms of medical needs. Let us hope that those facilities will not have to be used. Deputy Finian McGrath also raised the matter of the French and how we might be linked with them. It is well known that we will have our own area to control in Chad. The Poles will be situated to the northern part of the country, the Irish will be in the centre and the French will be in the south. We will have our own specific area of responsibility in Chad. It is important to note that we are sending 453 personnel, France is deploying 1,356 troops, while Poland is providing 400 troops. We are the second highest contributor to this mission.

If there are issues to which I have not responded, I will revert to the committee on them later. I wish to conclude by saying, based on my experience of travelling abroad to some of these difficult regions, including Liberia, Somalia, and Rwanda, that there are fantastic Irish people abroad, doing very important work in what are often very dangerous locations. However, we have a very important role to play in such regions in saving lives. There are up to 400,000 refugees and internally displaced people in Chad. I saw the refugees on the other side of the border, in Darfur, and many of them are stuck there and helpless. We have a chance to make an enormous difference to the lives of those people.

While I acknowledge the dangers and the fact that this is not a safe region, which is why we are going there, I believe we can play a major role in bringing peace and stability to the region. There are many things that could go wrong and we are fully aware of that, but I ask members of all parties to be as supportive as possible. It is certainly our duty to outline the dangers but we should not overplay that card. The troops need our support and their families should not be unnecessarily frightened. We should not put soldiers' families in too much fear regarding the mission.

I made a request, in an effort to allay the fears of many people, that General Pat Nash would address this committee. Would that be possible?

I can make a commitment on behalf of the Department that the members of this committee will have as many briefings as they need and want. I will have to revert back to the Deputy on the matter of the operations commander, who is obviously very much involved in the running of this mission from Paris.

I remind the member that it was agreed we would discuss that in private session.

Yes, that is correct. Many thanks.

I thank the Minister of State. The committee has completed its consideration of the motion.

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