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Committee on Public Petitions díospóireacht -
Thursday, 30 Mar 2023

Press Council of Ireland and Office of the Press Ombudsman Annual Report 2021: Press Ombudsman

Today's business is to engage with Ms Susan McKay, the Press Ombudsman, to discuss the 2021 annual report of the Press Council of Ireland and Office of the Press Ombudsman and related matters.

Ms McKay is very welcome to the committee. I thank her very much for her time. I apologise for the delay of a few minutes in getting started.

I wish to explain some limitations to parliamentary privilege and the practices of the Houses with regard to references to other persons witnesses may make in their evidence. The evidence of witnesses physically present, or who give evidence from within the parliamentary precincts, is protected pursuant to both the Constitution and statute by absolute privilege. Witnesses are again reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name, or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable, or otherwise engage in speech that might be regarded as damaging to the good name of the person or entity.

Therefore, if their statements are potentially defamatory in relation to an identifiable person or entity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks, and it is imperative that they comply with any such direction. Before we hear from our witnesses, I propose that we publish the opening statement on the committee's website. Is that agreed? Agreed.

On behalf of the committee, I extend again a warm welcome to Ms McKay, our press ombudsman, who is here to discuss the 2021 annual report of the Press Council of Ireland and the Office of the Press Ombudsman and related matters. I invite her to make her opening statement, after which she can take some questions.

Ms Susan McKay

I have been press ombudswoman for only five months, so I have not really got a huge amount of experience of the institutions that make up the Press Council of Ireland and the Office of the Press Ombudsman. In the period I am talking about today, covered by the annual report of 2021, I was not part of the organisation. There has been some change and some things have moved on. I will refer to some of those.

The office is independent. It is not a statutory body. Many people make the mistake of somehow thinking we are connected with the State because we are recognised in law under the Defamation Act. In fact, we are funded entirely by the press industry through a system of levies based on the calculation of circulation. The budget for 2021 was €301,000. One can imagine that, with that kind of budget, the office is small. The staff consists of the Press Ombudsman, a full-time case manager and a part-time office manager. It is a small office, considering the amount of work it does.

The Press Council of Ireland was set up in 2008 to provide an independent mechanism. Our independence is really important to us. The council was set up to resolve complaints about the press without recourse to litigation. It is a small, private company and is not for profit. It is recognised in the Defamation Act and has qualified privilege as a result, as do the decisions when published by the newspapers. I will come back to the matter of defamation because we are in the middle of the process of having new or very interestingly changed defamation legislation.

The structure of the Press Council of Ireland is relatively complex for a small organisation. It oversees a set of 11 principles called the code of practice. A preamble states the freedom to publish is vital to the right of people to be informed and goes on to point out that with this freedom comes responsibility. Members of the press have a duty to maintain the highest professional and ethical standards.

The code is really a benchmark for the standards. It is not unlike the code of practice of the National Union of Journalists, NUJ, namely the rules that journalists volunteer to abide by when they join their union. The code of the council is the responsibility of a committee made up of press-industry editors or their representatives, and any changes made to it must be made by this code committee. It is not exactly a committee of the board of the council, although it relates to it. There is also an administrative committee, which includes industry representatives, members of the NUJ and the press ombudsman.

My job is filled following a public competition, but the Press Ombudsperson is independent of the Press Council of Ireland in her decision-making. That is important. There is a line between the council and the Press Ombudsman in that regard. I am not the CEO of the Press Council of Ireland although I do provide the administrative backup for it. It is the custodian of the whole organisation.

If there is a complaint and I reach a decision, either the complainant or the editor – whoever has been found against – can appeal it to the Press Council of Ireland. Obviously, therefore, it would not be appropriate if I were the council's direct employee in a CEO-type role.

There is a system of checks and balances within the organisation. It provides a free, fast and independent service. I believe it works very well as I have been told by editors that they really dislike being found to have breached the code. Several have said it has led them to put much more emphasis on their internal complaints system so complaints do not end up in my office.

What is really interesting about the whole structure is that it is supportive of the freedom of speech but also supportive of the human rights of the individual in society. Therefore, there is a fine balance.

Let me turn to 2021, the year that the annual report covers. It was a most unusual year for the Press Council of Ireland, as it was for everybody else. The Ombudsman and case manager were often working remotely and in ways that have transformed our office. As with every other office, it is now possible to do a lot more work remotely than people would have thought possible before.

There was a striking increase in the number of complaints, but quite a lot of them were to do with press coverage of Covid. In fact, some of them were clearly orchestrated through social media campaigns. However, as Ms Bernie Grogan, the case manager, has pointed out, while some of them were driven by anonymous social media accounts, people had obviously been provided with the text they were to give as their complaint. It is actually quite pointless because, in such cases, the Press Ombudsman simply chooses a lead complainant. You are not going to get 50 responses.

The most frequently cited reason for a complaint is under principle 1 of the code, which sets out the requirement for truth and accuracy. It is fairly obvious why that would be the case. Interestingly, the next most used principle is principle 8, which concerns prejudice. That applies to all of the 12 grounds for discrimination, including disability, gender and race. If one complains about the propagation of hatred in an article, it has to be shown to potentially cause prejudice under the various grounds. There are quite a few complaints under principle 2, which involves distinguishing fact and comment, and under principle 5, on privacy. Most complaints are sorted at conciliation level, led by the case manager. Thirty-one complaints were decided by the Ombudsman in 2021, and seven were upheld. Twelve were appealed and one was upheld. Quite a few people make complaints out of a misunderstanding of the remit of the office. That is something on which I want to try to work because people are expending a lot of anger and energy making complaints that my office cannot actually consider because they do not relate to members of the Press Council of Ireland or media issues.

In 2021, the Press Council and the Office of the Press Ombudsman jointly and severally made submissions to both the Future of the Media Commission and those engaged in the review of the Defamation Act. They called for more support for public service media and pointed out that a well-functioning democracy requires vibrant, independent and diverse media. They warned that, in the 13 years since the Press Council of Ireland was set up, the media landscape changed dramatically, and not for the good. The dominance of social media companies such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube is threatening the viability of print media, devouring advertising revenue and attracting readers away from seeing locally produced news as an essential part of their day, or, alternatively and even more perniciously, reproducing such news without paying those who provide it. Many people getting information from social media are getting information that has been researched by proper journalists associated with newspapers, and it is simply being lifted.

The result, according to the submissions, is that "members of the public may become less well informed and the participatory process in public life of citizens may be damaged". The rise of disinformation was identified as a risk. Those concerned welcomed the EU's Digital Markets Act and Digital Services Act and looked forward to the exertion of greater controls over the big social media platforms.

Somehow breaking the grip the big social media platforms have over the dissemination of information in this country and others will be one of the biggest issues in the next few years. They recommended the following: making social media companies pay for material produced by newspapers; taxing such companies and using the revenue generated to promote public service journalism; reducing VAT on newspapers and subsidising training for journalists; allocating Government funded advertising to newspapers; and crucially, reforming the defamation laws.

As the committee will be aware, Coimisiún na Meán has now been set up, the industry has welcomed the removal of VAT and the Department of Justice published the general scheme for the new defamation law this week which will include several of the recommendations made by the Press Council and the Press Ombudsman, including obliging solicitors to advise their clients of the role of the Press Council before commencing legal proceedings. There was some discussion about the possibility of obliging people to avail of the services of the Office of the Press Ombudsman before commencing legal proceedings but it was decided that would have constitutional implications and would almost inevitably have been challenged. The law will broaden the remit of the Press Council to clarify what is already the case, that is, that online-only news sites will be covered. The issue as to whether the Office of the Press Ombudsman should deal with online publication by broadcasters still needs to be decided. It is an interesting area that is currently not regulated.

In its 2021 report, the Press Council expressed concern about the decline in financial resources to fund the Press Council, pointing out that its budget has halved in the 13 years of its operation. It said a tipping point had been reached below which it would not be able to function as envisaged. It called on Coimisiún na Meán to address the undermining of the print media's financial base and stated:

Recent events such as the Corona virus pandemic and the debate on the UK leaving the European Union have highlighted the importance to a small country such as Ireland of a reliable and responsible press that is grounded in Irish public life....It is not an exaggeration to say that the very quality of public life in Ireland is under threat from the distortion of the market place.

The Press Council of Ireland and the Press Ombudsman has continued since the publication of that report to engage with the industry, our EU and global allies in the field of press regulation, Coimisiún na Meán and the Government to ensure that this threat is averted and I hope to continue that work.

I thank Ms McKay for that comprehensive opening statement. It gave us a good overview of her role and that of the Press Council.

Before I move on to questions, does the committee agree that Deputy Buckley may take over as Chair at 2 p.m.? Agreed.

I welcome Ms McKay and congratulate her on her appointment. I am aware she has only been in the role for a few months.

Ms McKay stated that several editors talked about the benefit of the ombudswoman's office. Would any additional powers benefit the office? She spoke about resources of the Press Council. Are resources an issue for her office?

Ms Susan McKay

The resources of the Press Council largely go towards supporting the Office of the Press Ombudsman. The Press Council's primary function is to run the Office of the Press Ombudsman and to relate to the industry and civil society through its own outreach. Will the Senator ask the question again? I am not sure I have caught it.

Does Ms McKay's office have the resources it needs?

Ms Susan McKay

I would like to have more resources to do outreach. As I mentioned in the submission, I find it frustrating that quite a few complaints are made to my office that are not suitable for the office. It is regrettable that people are putting a lot of effort and energy into making complaints which will never be followed through. Therefore, I would like more resources to make the office better known. It is not sufficiently well-known. I am not sure people understand that a good complaints process is available to them. All the newspapers have complaints processes but if people are still frustrated, there is an independent office. Many people also do not understand that we are independent. The office needs to be funded, but considerable thought will need to be given to how that should be done. It is not something the Government can do directly as that would jeopardise people's confidence in the independence of the Press Council.

What online news sites are covered? Ms McKay stated that Coimisiún na Meán broadens the remit of the Press Council to clarify that online-only news sites are covered. Is RTÉ online covered?

Ms Susan McKay

No, that is the bit that is missing. At the moment we already have members that do not have a paper publication. They are solely online publications, such as thejournal.ie, and gripped.ie and ontheditch.com recently joined. However, the area the Senator refers to has yet to be decided and will be the subject of discussion in the coming period before the defamation Bill is finalised, that is, where a publication, such as RTÉ, has an online publication that is not identical to what it broadcasts. Membership of the Press Council must be voluntary. If a change was made, it would simply be that such publications would be able to join the Press Council. It is important to the ethos of the Press Council that membership is voluntary as in joining a publication makes a commitment to meet the standards set by the Press Council.

Do any free sheets or community newspapers find it prohibitively expensive to join the Press Council?

Ms Susan McKay

I am not aware of very many publications that have sought membership and then decide they cannot join because of the cost. The cost is relatively low, especially as it is based on circulation. Publications which have a low circulation will not be charged a great deal. The model is that people must pay for membership. It is not possible to contemplate allowing people to join without paying something. We do not have membership for citizen journalists or individuals who decide to call themselves journalists, of which there are many.

I am a member of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media. We recently had hearings about diversity in the press in which a young woman from the National Youth Council, Ms Ashley Chadamoyo Makombe, appeared. I will put her reflections on the record again though they are already on the record of the House.

I can only speak from my personal experience as a young woman. As someone who is from Tallaght and who is black, I was not seeing myself represented in traditional media, so, naturally, I will go to where I can see my people and where I can hear my voice and my life experience being reflected. Unfortunately, the reality is that it is not being reflected in traditional media in Ireland. That is not to say that there is no bias. I have great trust in media in Ireland. I believe what I see when I see it on TV or when I read it in newspapers. I think the content is not being made for young people so they will go to where it will be.

Does Ms McKay think diversity is an issue or does she have any comment to make about diversity in the press and with respect to the membership of the Press Council?

Deputy Pat Buckley took the Chair.

Ms Susan McKay

Diversity is a huge issue for all public institutions in Ireland. It is something we have come to relatively late as a society and in some ways, as a northerner, I see more change in the North because of the cataclysmic events that occurred there which led to a lot of changes being made around the time of the Good Friday Agreement and even before that.

There is a lack of diversity in the press, and most editors will acknowledge that. I have a couple of initiatives coming up which I hope will signal my intent, as Press Ombudsman, to try to encourage more diversity. I am not making that up. Those initiatives will be announced in the next few weeks. The problem with the decline of revenue for the print media is that there is a lack of funding to pay journalists. If one considers what it costs to pay a journalist to carry out investigations or do work on which t is necessary to spend a great deal of time, it is a hard line of work for people to go into. The pay is not what it should be.

As with all the other professions in Ireland, one sees a predominance of middle-class people whose parents can afford to help to support them while they are finding their feet. There is no doubt that it is exclusive. Generally, assisting the media to become better resourced will help that. There are journalists who are older than me who have the possibility to retire from well-paid jobs with good pensions, but I think they are the potentially the last generation of people about whom that could be said. There are many people in journalism who are on short-term contracts and who are not in salaried positions. They o not have the proper range of entitlements that people should be able to have in order to be secure in their profession. That inevitably leads to people making choices not to go into the profession.

As far as the Press Council is concerned, it appointed me, knowing me to be a feminist, a human rights advocate and someone who has worked in organisations that have campaigned for the rights of minorities and women and against sectarianism and racism. I am the first woman to be the Press Ombudsman in Ireland, probably the first Protestant and definitely the first northerner. By appointing somebody like me, it has shown an intent to bring a sense of fresh air to the institution. I am not saying that there was not any fresh air in the first place, but there is definitely room for change. There is good gender balance in the Press Council, but it could do with further diversification. The current chairperson and I have had conversations about moving things in that direction. The intent is there, but it is all about encouraging people to apply and to feel that they will be taken seriously as candidates. People join the Press Council by responding to public advertisements.

I thank Ms McKay for her comments. We are all aware of the financial pressure on the industry. Her predecessor spoke about the limited resources in newsrooms, the demands on journalists and the pressure to produce content throughout the day and how this can sometimes lead to mistakes being made. It is great to see the VAT reduction. I have definitely been keeping an eye on what has been going on in Australia, with social media companies being charged for the content they share that comes from traditional media. Hopefully, we can see progress on that in Europe.

Ms Susan McKay

Institutions are being set up in this country that will help deal with that. There will be a commissioner who will have responsibility in that regard, which is to be welcomed.

I thank Ms McKay.

I thank Ms McKay for her opening statement. She mentioned that the Press Council is quite complex. She also referred to the number of complaints she received that she could not deal with. Can Ms McKay tell us if I am right in saying that 31 complaints were received? She might elaborate in that regard. What kind of complaints is she receiving that she cannot deal with and that people expect her to be able to deal with? I hear what she is saying about outreach. More outreach would assist her in preventing some of those complaints that are not relevant to her role being received.

Ms McKay is a member of the Press Council. As she stated, she is not its chief executive or chair. She might elaborate on the differences between her role and that of the Press Council. I thank Ms McKay for her contribution.

Ms Susan McKay

The Press Council is responsible for having set up the Office of the Press Ombudsman. I relate to it in the sense that I provide its secretariat. My office is the secretariat for the Press Council. The Press Council is led by its chairperson. As most of the business of the Press Council is the Office of the Press Ombudsman, I am the CEO of that office, which consists of me and two staff. It is very small because my primary function is decision-making. The whole rather complex structure of the office was set up in such a way that there would be lines between my office and the Press Council, as well as there being areas in which we would work together. Obviously, my decisions are made independently of the council, but they are subject to appeal to it. As a result, there so clearly there has to be a separation. The organisation was set up to facilitate that difference from a normal company.

Regarding complaints, I would like to do much more outreach to make people more aware of how to make a complaint well. Sometimes people do not understand that. This will be an issue. I was quite well known as a person who stood up for certain things or even championed certain rights. I think there will be people who will expect me to perform that function in this job. Of course, that will not be the function that I will be performing. I will be making sure there are no breaches of the code of principles which the Press Council has established and which the code committee is in charge of. I am satisfied that those are comprehensive. As I mentioned earlier, they cover all the grounds that are covered by the equality authorities here.

Most complaints are about truth and accuracy. What characterises some of the complaints that do not succeed in going anywhere is the fact that people think because they disagree with something in the media, that means they can complain about it. Many people make complaints about things that politicians are quoted as having said, for example, when what the newspaper is probably doing is reflecting what was said, often in a privileged setting. Obviously, things will be said which will cause offence and cause people to be angry, and which will cause people to say that is not true, but it is not the fault of the press that the statement people believe to be not true has been made. Clarifying those kinds of things would stop many complaints that will not be able to proceed. Obviously, we do not want to add to people's frustration. We want to help them to get through it.

The role of the case manager in the Office of the Press Ombudsman is important. My colleague, Bernie Grogan, is the first point of contact for complainants. She sorts out many complaints through a process of conciliation, where she liaises between the complainant and editor. People are often satisfied with some offer that the editor will make to them, such as taking something out, taking an article down, clarifying something or asking if people would like to write an article explaining their point of view.

I would also like to make clearer to people that although they have to demonstrate that they have been personally affected by an article, it is possible for organisations to make a complaint on behalf of those they represent. For instance, a civil society organisation that represents Travellers or women would be able to make a complaint on behalf of those who they represent so it is not just a matter for individual complaints. It is interesting that quite a lot of complaints are made about prejudice. That is really important that we should highlight that function is there.

Distinguishing fact and comment is an area where there are a lot of complaints. As newspapers lean more and more on comment as a way of filling their pages - I do not mean that disparagingly as there are a lot of excellent commentary writers in this country - it is an area of confusion for people because Irish law allows for some pretty strong commentary to be made. People who are offended by that often complain to us without realising that people are allowed to express strong opinions. The problem arises where they are seen to assert opinion as if it was fact. It is very important that people distinguish those two things. Someone cannot make wild claims, for example, about the number of migrants who are coming into this country without stating that it is simply their opinion that is the case and that they do not actually know what the number is. A degree of accuracy is still required in commentaries.

People are quite surprised that the number of complaints that reach decision level is relatively small but it is constantly growing. There seem to be a lot of complaints coming in at the moment. We are getting a lot of complaints related to protests and demonstrations.

Ms McKay referred to people who may not be personally affected, yet they have made a complaint because they do not like the statement or utterance of individuals, politicians or so on. The Press Ombudsman's website outlines five or six criteria whereby if someone’s complain fulfils them, the office can proceed. That is good. Ms McKay is new in post and I congratulate her on her new role. I presume she will appear at the Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media in the next while to discuss her annual report-----

Ms Susan McKay

I hope so.

-----and her other role. Unfortunately, I cannot stay for the rest of the meeting but I thank her for her presentation and the information she has given myself and other committee members. I look forward to engaging with her again in the next short while.

Ms Susan McKay

Thank you.

I congratulate Ms McKay. It is nice to have new blood. I am interested that the number of complaints going the whole way through the system is very low but the overall number of complaints is substantial. She mentioned Twitter and Facebook. It goes back to the code of practice. At least with a print edition, there is accountability and clarity and it can be followed up compared with fake news online, which has become very prominent since Covid. Has the Press Ombudsman received complaints about scaremongering or fake news during Covid? The print media has a set of rules but it is the opposite with Facebook or Twitter, which do not seem to be as strongly regulated.

Ms Susan McKay

No, they are not regulated because a lot of those platforms refuse to accept that they are publishers. They say that they are just publishing content; the companies say other people are publishing it and that they are just a portal for it which is clearly not the case. They are publishers. Let us consider the recent publicity around Elon Musk and Twitter. It is very clear that they are also ideologically driven. That is an anomaly. They devour an absurd volume of the resources available for news in this country. They have some massive proportion of advertising on which newspapers traditionally relied. It is simply not possible for newspapers to continue to produce quality news in those circumstances. The quality of journalism in Ireland has remained extremely high. Annual figures from Reuters show there is a much higher belief in print and broadcast media in this country than in many other countries with a similar sort of democratic background. Standards are being kept up. One of the remarkable things about the annual reports of the Press Council and the Press Ombudsman is the quality of the photographs taken by members of the council. We cover complaints about photographs as well. The quality if there but it is extremely hard to sustain it. Something will have to be done to ensure that the funding base for print publications, whether online or actual printed newspapers, continues. Globally, more and more newspapers are giving up on having a printed publication. I am sure it is a trend that will be followed here as well.

It is interesting that the highest number of complaints related to truth and accuracy, which is understandable. Protection of sources is another heading and then there is one which I am very interested in, namely the reporting of suicide. We do not really see the word "suicide" too often in print media any more. The phrase is "died by suicide" but they do not use it. Are the complaints because the papers printed the method or what are the kinds of complaints? I am thinking of how things were reported 20 years ago and now. Everything has to be

based on fact but sometimes people do not really like the fact. How would Ms McKay respond to someone who complains that someone should not have reported something or said it was X, Y or Z method? How would the office deal with those complaints?

Ms Susan McKay

My understanding is that the code committee attended consultations with some of the organisations that work with people bereaved by suicide and that they took guidance from them. That was when principle 10, reporting of suicide, was introduced to the code. It had not originally been there. It simply states: “In the reporting of suicide, excessive detail of the means of suicide should be avoided.” That is a simple principle but we would also be guided by a lot of the material that is produced by the organisations that work with people bereaved by suicide. We would try to attend to those sensitivities. At the same time, the code is finding a balance where newspapers have to make their own editorial decisions about when it is relevant to talk about a death being by suicide. Most publications avoid using language such as “committed suicide” and that kind of thing which goes back to when suicide was regarded as a crime. Sensitivity is expected of the press but in terms of breaching the code, that principle was clearly decided by the code committee to be one on which the most egregious breaches might be found.

Obviously there is a fear there, particularly related to news ending up on social media, that young people are in a position now to research means of suicide and that is obviously to be avoided.

As no one is offering, I invite Ms McKay to make her closing statement.

Ms Susan McKay

I am very happy to have been invited to submit to the committee. I look forward to making submissions to the Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media. Although the Press Council of Ireland is very determinedly independent of Government, clearly a large part of the business of the press involves reporting the activities that go on in these buildings and in county and city councils around the country. It is very important, therefore, that we remain well-informed about the way we work. It is important that all decision-makers are aware of the role of the Press Council of Ireland and the Office of the Press Ombudsman because it really is a way of keeping democracy healthy. If we look at what has happened in some countries to the freedom of the press, we have a lot to guard and safeguard here. It is very important we keep public servants aware of just how important the proper and independent functioning of the press and the Press Council of Ireland are to our democracy. There is a lot of extremely dangerous stuff circulating on social media now which is being believed by people who are not reading credible material that has gone through an editorial process. We need to counteract that and make sure newspapers and online media publications can produce material which is attractive and credible, particularly to younger people.

That is vital. On behalf of the committee, I thank Ms McKay very much for presenting to the committee. These sessions are always very beneficial to the members. It is all about getting information in so we can get information out. We will suspend briefly to allow Ms McKay to leave.

Sitting suspended at 2.23 p.m. and resumed at 2.25 p.m.
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