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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 11 Jul 1933

Vol. 48 No. 16

In Committee on Finance. - Vote 21—Miscellaneous Expenses.

I beg to move:

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £6,020 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1934, chun Costaisí Ilghnéitheacha áirithe, maraon le Deontaisí áirithe i gCabhair.

That a sum not exceeding £6,020 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1934, for certain Miscellaneous Expenses, including certain Grants-in-Aid.

I am sorry the Minister has not given us any details of the reductions on this Vote. Of course it is not a very large sum and, as the Minister said earlier this evening, they wish to effect all the economies possible in the Estimates. At the same time one is curious to ask how far certain economies are real. I would like to refer to a couple of items coming under the heading of Scientific Investigation, etc. (Grants-in-Aid). I would like to refer to the reduction in the grant to the Royal Irish Academy of Music from £300 to £100. We are supposed to be a music-loving race and, presumably, the Government wish to promote music. If, however, we are to measure the amount given by the Government as the extent of the interest taken in the development of music in this country it is indeed very small. I think I am correct in saying that the wages—I will not call them salaries—paid to the professors are extremely low. The fees paid by the pupils are only £50 a year more than the wages bill of the Academy of Music. That is a very slender sum on which to keep up a building and pay various other expenses.

The Irish pupils of the Academy receive an excellent education in music and they earn commendations in many parts of the world. Under the British régime the grant used to be £300 a year. That was the grant for a great number of years and it was even then contended that that sum was not adequate. It rather looks as if our Government have taken the opposite view when they proceed to reduce the sum by one-third. How are the Academy authorities to cut their coat according to their cloth? I am afraid they will have to effect economies, probably in a way that the country would least like that economies should be effected. The Academy authorities take in a number of pupils who are charged a certain scale of fees. When they find a very promising pupil, whose parents are not able to pay the requisite fee, usually some arrangement is made by which the genius of the pupil would be taken into consideration and developed.

I would like to urge on the Minister that for the sake of £200 a year he is going to do away with the possibility of a certain number of geniuses being brought to the front in the musical profession. This is a very serious matter. The Academy authorities are paid for conducting examinations at local centres throughout the country, and if they are handicapped to the degree likely to follow this reduction in the grant the examinations in local centres will suffer and the Government will not get the type of examination which was got in the past. It is a very trifling sum and I would like the Minister to consider the situation.

There has been a reduction in the grant to the Zoological Society of Ireland from £1,000 to £750. There again economies must be effected in some way. The Gardens are a credit to this City and they add considerably to our social amenities. I think Dublin was one of the first places in which lions were bred in captivity, and it is a very serious position, from this Society's point of view, to have this substantial reduction in the grant. How are they to carry on? Are they to reduce the number of hands employed in keeping up the Gardens, or are they to reduce the amount of food for the animals? I believe the lions fast one day a week, and if, at the Minister's wish, they are to fast another day, I can only suggest to the Minister that at the next general election—there is some doubt as to how near it is—I hope he will not have to face in the constituencies as well as the clamour of the electors the roars of the poor, hungry lions.

When the result of the next general election is declared, whenever that may be, I express the hope that the constituencies will have sent Deputies on the opposite side to feed the lions in the Zoo.

They might prove so many Daniels in the lion's den.

The speech Deputy Dockrell has just delivered shows how hard, straight and narrow is the path of national retrenchment. It seems to me that it would be a very good thing, the next time that Deputy McGilligan produces that famous advertisement which he is so very fond of producing here, if Deputy Dockrell would get up in a white sheet and say: "The Government is not to blame because when they were trying to make a reduction of over £2,000 or almost more than 20 per cent. of the amount voted in Estimate No. 21, I rose in the House and protested against that economy being made." I do not wish to go into the merits or demerits of any one of the associations or societies which have been affected by reductions in these grants-in-aid. I feel if I could place before the House the facts that I have in my possession in regard to each and every one of them it would be instantly admitted that no undoubted hardship would be imposed by any reduction which I propose to make in this Estimate this year. One of the societies to which Deputy Dockrell referred closed last year with a very substantial surplus of over 12 times the amount of the present grant and more than four times the amount of the grant last year. The other society, while it was somewhat straitened in its circumstances as compared with years ago, has recovered a good deal of lost ground. While I would not like to put myself in the position of having to say that the grant now paid to them is everything that the Government, in happier times, would desire or was at all commensurate with the importance of the work the society is doing, or the efficiency with which that work is being done, nevertheless, this is the maximum amount, taking everything into consideration, that can be allocated for the purpose this year.

Vote put and agreed to.
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