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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 2 Jun 1942

Vol. 87 No. 7

Committee on Finance. - Vote 49—Science and Art.

Tairgím:—

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £31,173 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1943, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí na bhFundúireachtaí Eolaíochta agus Ealadhan agus chun Seirbhísí Oideachais Ilghnéitheacha áirithe agus Ildeontaisí-i-gCabhair.

That a sum not exceeding £31,173 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1943, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Institutions of Science and Art and for certain Miscellaneous Educational Services and sundry Grants-in-Aid.

I see on this Estimate there is a salary of £600 put down for a person described as director in the National College of Art. I would like to inquire what was the position in respect of this whole institution. As far as I have been able to follow it, what used to be called the School of Art was transformed into the National College of Art somewhere about the year 1936. In 1938 certain appointments had to be made to it. The first approach to it was the usual one of advertising the posts with a statement as to qualifications. The first advertisement called for qualifications in Irish. I do not know what happened in response to that. The second time the advertisement was issued the qualification of Irish was abandoned, certainly abandoned in respect of one of the posts for which it had been previously insisted on in the advertisement.

Some time after these advertisements had been issued, a statement was made that, first of all, in response to the whole advertisement, nobody with a knowledge of Irish could be found to apply, and secondly, nobody in Ireland could be found to fill certain posts. The result of that was that about the year 1938, three appointments were made—an appointment as assistant director of a gentleman who, I think, came from Holland; as professor of sculpture, of a gentleman who came from Czechoslovakia, and as assistant professor of sculpture, of a gentleman who came from England. These three continued in their respective posts until the start of the war, when the Czechoslovak and the Englishman resigned. I think both of them went back to their respective countries.

In the meantime, the director of the school had died, and the assistant-director, a native of Holland, held on. The post of director was advertised, and there was quite a number of candidates who applied, including the headmasters of certain schools of art in the country. They were told after a bit that they were not regarded as suitable. I think there was the usual demand for a knowledge of Irish in connection with this appointment. However, these people, some 12 or 14 of them, all natives of the country, all holding down administrative posts— posts requiring certain craftsmanship, —in schools in the country, were all told that they were unsuitable.

Eventually, the matter was raised by question in the House here, and the Minister said it had not been found possible to select a candidate possessing the necessary qualifications. We have again the position that was found in 1938 with regard to the professor of sculpture and assistant-professor of sculpture and assistant-director of the school, that there is nobody in the country qualified for the post. However, the matter lay there for a bit, and the people who had applied, against whose work in their respective schools there never had been the slightest complaint, had been told in a most comprehensive way that they were unsuitable. They were all kept on the qui vive with regard to the appointment. Recently, it has been announced that a certain gentleman has been appointed acting director. What that means I do not know. I understand that the assistant-director resigned his post as assistant-director, but that may have been only for the purpose of the selection of director. It may be that he is reappointed and has gone back.

The position was that at a particular period there was neither a director nor assistant director, and there were two professorships vacant. The person appointed, according to the statement in the Irish Independent of mid-May, is an art inspector in the Technical Instruction Branch of the Department of Education. I am quite sure that he is a very distinguished person. There are a number of statements made about him here: he is prominent amongst the younger Irish artists, with special distinction in water-colour painting; a constant exhibitor at the Royal Hibernian Academy; a fluent Irish speaker, who received his training in the Old Dublin Metropolitan School of Art, and who became an inspector of the Department in 1939; he has close contact with the working of the schools of art in Cork, Limerick and Waterford; and is closely associated with the National College of Art, of which he is an associate examiner. Every one of these qualifications could be bettered by some of the people who applied amongst the original 13 and who were told that they were unsuitable. It is invidious to mention names, but I can refer to the Professor of Painting in the National College of Art and the assistant professor.

Let us take the professor of painting and go through the list of qualifications of the gentleman who has been appointed acting director. He is a fluent Irish speaker; he has longer and better training both in the Dublin Metropolitan School of Art and elsewhere; and in comparison with this gentleman, of whom it is said that he has close contact with the work in the schools of art in Cork, Limerick and Waterford, he has been in association with the Dublin school for many years, and at the moment is chief professor of painting therein. The gentleman appointed is said to be closely associated with the work of the National College of Art. I could imagine nobody more closely associated with that work than the professor of painting in the particular college. This gentleman who has been appointed is an associate examiner, while the professor, of course, is an examiner.

The situation is that, in 1938, we had to scour the world to get a Czechoslovak, a Dutchman and an Englishman to fill three important posts, and then, when the director of this college died, and when we had applications made by the 13 best qualified people Ireland had, they were simply told peremptorily that they were unsuitable, with no statement given as to the points of qualification they lacked. There are two or three who are pre-eminent in all the matters referred to here as the qualifications this young gentleman has, and they are all passed over. They are invited to apply for examination, and the usual farce is gone through of taking entrance fees and subscriptions from them, and imposing travelling expenses on them, and then they are told they are not suitable. No statement is made with regard to the deficiency of any one of them, and, when it has all lain there for about a year and a half, a young man who, as late as 1939, became an inspector in the art section of the Department, is put in.

I should imagine that this is another example of the growing tendency to have people who are either civil servants, or very shortly removed from that position, put into these important positions, which certainly ought to be held for people who are more definitely professional in their outlook and their work than the civil servant can be. I know nothing more than what is printed in this newspaper with regard to the person who has been given the appointment. I take it from the phrase used—"acting director"—that it is something in the nature of a temporary appointment, but I should like to hear from the Minister what is the position and what is the situation now with regard to the assistant director. Did he resign, and was it for the purpose of having himself considered amongst those applying for the directorship? Has he since been reinstated in his post as assistant and what happened with regard to the two people who were in the section dealing with sculpture and who resigned at the start of the war? What was the matter which led to the mass condemnation of the 12 or 13 people who had very definite technical qualifications, as well as Irish language and administrative qualifications, and who were simply told that they were unsuitable?

I think Deputy McGilligan knows that the only method of entry to the Civil Service, apart from promotion or secondment of an existing civil servant, is that a recommendation should be made by the Civil Service Commission. No recommendation was made by the commission in this case and the only courses open to me were either to leave the post unfilled or to second a civil servant to fill it either temporarily or permanently. There is no question of a permanent appointment at present. The appointment is temporary, and the gentleman in question is only seconded from the inspectorate of the Department of Education. If, as a result of the working of the present arrangement, it is considered desirable at a later period to make the appointment a permanent one, the Department of Education will have to approach the Civil Service Commission for their endorsement of such a permanent transfer since it is not what is officially called a normal transfer on promotion.

The gentleman who has been appointed temporarily is, I think, the most suitable person available to me at the moment. He is an inspector, and, although young, he has had a good deal of experience as a teacher and also in visiting the schools through the country. I think that from the point of view of administration as well as actual qualifications in art, he is satisfactory, at any rate, for the temporary appointment which has been made. I cannot say what the position is as regards the Civil Service Commission. I am not responsible for them. Had the Civil Service Commission recommended a person, I presume that I would have had no option —I understand that is the legal position—but to appoint that person. As they recommended no person, I have no authority to appoint any of these other persons to the post. It is entirely the statutory duty of the Civil Service Commission. I do not know officially what the position may have been as regards the qualifications of the individual candidates. The fact is that no recommendation was made. The board, I think, was a very representative one and it cannot be argued that they did not know their work. I think they were thoroughly familiar with it and probably took all aspects of the matter into consideration. In any case, that is outside my province. I have considered it necessary, in the interests of the institution, to appoint a temporary director and an art inspector seems to be the most suitable and best qualified. Although a young man, he is, I think, a man of promise.

The Minister has said that this gentleman had experience as a teacher. For how long, and where?

I could not say how long at the moment, but I know that he taught for some time in the School of Art here in Dublin.

In what position?

I do not know in what position. In any case, the point is that I had either to leave the post unfilled or appoint a person temporarily, and the only way in which I can make an appointment is to second a civil servant. Whatever the qualifications of the individual may be, it is quite clear that he is the most suitable person, having regard to his training and the work he has recently been carrying out, to be entrusted with the temporary direction of the College of Art.

The Minister said he had nothing to do with the failure to make a recommendation by the commissioners in respect of the appointment. Has the Minister any knowledge of what were the conditions of appointment? What were the qualifications looked for? It would be of interest to the House to know them, when one realises that 13 candidates fell, at whatever hurdles were put up, as being unqualified, and that they included the headmasters of the Cork and Waterford Schools and people from the College of Art itself. I understood that the qualifications insisted upon were a knowledge of Irish, some proficiency in some craft and some administrative experience. I should like to know if these were the qualifications that the Minister had before him when he made the temporary appointment.

The conditions of appointment, of course, can be obtained. If the Deputy wishes I can send him a copy.

Has the Minister got them there?

Yes, but this is a rather long document and I do not propose to read it.

What are the technical qualifications?

The professional qualifications are:—

(a) Essential: Each candidate must have had a broad training in art, and satisfactory teaching experience in some branch of art. Each candidate must also produce satisfactory evidence of his or her practical excellence in some branch of art.

(b) Desirable: Suitable administrative experience, including control of staff.

I take it that the Minister realises that the Professor of Painting at the National School of Art was one of those who was regarded as unsuitable to possess those particular qualifications. The Minister realises just who that gentleman is, and he knows his reputation in this country, the number of years he has served in the School or College of Art, and the qualifications he possesses. I suggest that the fact that even that one person was considered unsuitable will lead, probably, to a great deal of bewilderment in the minds of people generally.

I do not know why the Deputy should address that question to me. It cannot be of any benefit to the gentleman in question, and I have no control over the matter. That is a matter entirely for the Civil Service Commissioners, and I have no connection with it whatever.

I do not think it will do the gentleman in question any harm to have his reputation and qualifications put in the balance as against that statement of qualifications, which the Minister read out. I think that the fact that he was found unsuitable by some body will redound to his credit, and that it will be very much to the discredit of the people who considered him unsuitable.

Question put and agreed to.
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