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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 10 Dec 1942

Vol. 89 No. 2

Committee on Finance. - Vote 56—Transport and Meteorological Services.

I move:—

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £19,648 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending 31st March, 1943, for transport and meteorological services.

As Deputies will note from the Estimate, a sum of £25,000 is being provided for the construction of canal barges. Some time ago the Government, having regard to the increasing difficulty of maintaining adequate transport facilities for essential merchandise, owing to the serious supply position of petrol, oils, coal, tyres, etc., and to the further deterioration which would arise should there be a reduction in or a cessation of these imports, decided to increase canal transport facilities by the construction of 30 wooden barges, which, being horse-drawn, are entirely independent of any imported supplies.

Orders were placed for the construction of 20 barges in the first instance, and the orders for the remaining ten barges will be placed in the immediate future. Eight have been completed, and work is progressing on 12. There is already a waiting list for the available barges and a sufficient volume of work to enable them to be fully occupied.

I should make it clear that the use of the 30 barges which are being constructed, together with the fleet already in operation, will practically exhaust the capacity of the Grand Canal for barge traffic. The use of a number of barges on the Royal Canal is under consideration, but the area served by that canal does not appear to be productive of much suitable traffic. An agreement has been reached with the Grand Canal Company whereby that company, free of charge, has accepted responsibility for the renting of the barges to suitable operators for use on the Grand Canal.

The other sub-heads to the Vote relates to expenditure in connection with civil airports. Owing to the expansion of traffic at the Shannon airport, provision has to be made for additional administrative staff and additional equipment. As Deputies may have seen in the papers, an airport manager has been appointed. The person now holding the office for a probationary period is an Army officer and, for the time being, his salary will be carried on the Vote for the Department of Defence. Further administrative staff has been appointed, together with additional crews for launches. Additional messenger and cleaning services have also been provided. The use of two additional launches at the Shannon airport has involved an increased expenditure upon petrol, maintenance and insurance. Fire-fighting equipment has been provided, and certain modifications and expansion of the existing equipment is also necessary.

As Deputies are aware, there has been a considerable concentration of staff at Foynes, far in excess of what the local accommodation was capable of providing suitable living quarters for. The possibility of providing living accommodation for staff at Foynes is being considered, but, in the meantime, it has been decided to operate a subsidised bus service from Limerick for members of the staff employed at Foynes. The staff will be required to pay fares which are regarded as the maximum which could be imposed upon them, having regard to all the circumstances. But, even allowing for the payment of these fares by the staff, the cost of running the bus service will involve a weekly sum of £50, for which provision is also being made in this Estimate. The problem of staff accommodation at Foynes has become very serious, and the inauguration of this bus service for the persons employed there recently became a matter of urgency.

This development in connection with the utilisation of the base at Foynes contemplates that it will be necessary to continue to use Foynes at least for the duration of the emergency, and possibly for some time thereafter. The difficulty of procuring equipment has held up work on the construction of the flying-boat base at Rhynanna. It is considered necessary and desirable that we should provide, not merely adequate safety equipment at Foynes, but also all the other facilities necessary to make it a first-class airport, even though we contemplate that at a later stage the terminal of the Atlantic air services will be transferred to Rhynanna. Deputies will note that increase is anticipated under the item of "Appropriations-in-Aid" The particular increase shown there arises out of the fares to be paid by members of the staff upon the bus service to which I have referred.

What is the distance from Limerick?

It is 24 miles.

Mr. Brennan

Does it not seem extraordinary, if the staff have to pay some reasonable fare, that there will be a loss approximating to £2 a day on this service? What does the service consist of—one bus or two or three buses?

The service will depend on the extent to which it is used by the staff, but there would be at least four services each way.

Mr. Brennan

There must be some information on which the Minister arrives at the figure in the Estimate, but certainly the loss of £2 a day appears to me to be a very big one, in view of the fact that the staff pay certain fares.

We could not charge the full economic fare to the members of the staff, because that would be too heavy a drain on persons with comparatively small salaries.

Mr. Brennan

What is the Appropriation-in-Aid—is it not something like £340?

I understand that there will be four services each way every day.

Mr. Brennan

That is, two in and two out?

No, four each way. It is a 24-hour business. There is not an eight-hour day—it is a service which goes on all day and night.

It means that one bus will run all the time. There is only one bus involved?

Only one.

With regard to the barges, I presume they belong to the State and that the Grand Canal Company are simply handling them?

They are operated by what are called by-traders, that is, persons who rent the barges and operate them on the Grand Canal Company's system, in accordance with the usual terms on which by-traders operate on the Grand Canal. The barges remain our property, but the Grand Canal Company has undertaken to manage them for us. That, in effect, means the selection of suitable persons to whom to rent them and seeing that they are properly operated and cared for.

Will the Minister say where they are being constructed and whether tenders were invited?

Tenders were invited and, in fact, every firm in the country which could undertake the work got an opportunity of doing so. They are being constructed at the Ringsend Dockyard, at Carlow, at Arklow and at the Liffey Dockyard.

Does the £25,000 exactly cover the price of 30 barges?

What are they costing?

The barges cost roughly £1,000 each. We have placed orders for 20 and we intend to construct 30.

Are they all timber?

They are all timber. The intention is that they shall be all timber, but in fact the barges I personally saw being constructed by the Liffey Dockyard had steel sheets at the bow and stern which improved their efficiency, but the steel sheets could not be provided for them all. It just happened that the Liffey Dockyard were in a position to provide the steel sheets for that purpose.

Are any of them provided with engines?

Mr. Brennan

They are all horse-drawn?

What is their estimated life?

About five years, but in respect of the barges constructed by the Liffey Dockyard, there seems to be some expectation that their life will prove to be substantially longer. We are, however, anticipating a life of only five years.

There will, of course, be a substantial income from them?

Yes; there is a rent charged to those who operate them, varying according to the nature of the traffic upon which they will be engaged.

Mr. Brennan

The Minister has not estimated any Appropriation-in-Aid from the renting of these barges? It does not appear here.

I presume it will be included in Appropriations-in-Aid. There will certainly be an appropriation coming into the account somewhere at some stage.

Mr. Brennan

We have not got any estimate of it in this.

There are only eight in operation yet.

Mr. Brennan

But we would be in a position, on the basis of the operation of eight, or even a lesser number, to estimate what the rent and what the Appropriation-in-Aid would be.

I can tell the Deputy what the rent is. A barge operating on bulk traffics pays a rent of £1 per week, and on other traffics £2 per week. I do not want Deputy Hughes to think that I anticipate that our entry into the barge business is going to show a profit in the long run.

Mr. Brennan

It is going to show a dead loss at this rate.

There will be some income which will reduce the capital outlay?

There will be some, but on the whole the idea is to provide maximum carrying capacity, without regard to whether it is going to produce a profit or not.

Does £1 a week not appear to be very low?

The operator of the barge has to get a livelihood out of it, too.

Even so. Could the Minister say what the turf-carrying capacity is?

About 50 tons.

Mr. Brennan

They are a necessity at the moment, in any case.

They have been carrying 50 tons, although, on specification, they were expected to carry less.

Vote put and agreed to.
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