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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 27 Jun 1945

Vol. 97 No. 16

Committee on Finance. - King's Inns Library Bill, 1945—Committee and Final Stages.

Bill put through Committee without amendment.
Agreed to take the final stages now.
Question—"That the Bill be received for final consideration"—put and agreed to.
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass."

I propose to divide the House on the Fifth Stage of this Bill. I propose to divide it for this reason. Here is a unique deposit of learning held in trust for the State by the Benchers of the King's Inns. Their total revenue amounts to less than £500 per year, and that does not represent an ex gratia grant from the State. It was given by the State to take the place of a statutory advantage that they had enjoyed under the British Government for a very protracted period—the copyright grant. I think it is niggardly and unworthy of this House that, when the Benchers of the King's Inns report to us that the volumes in the library stand urgently in need of repair in order to prevent their falling to pieces and that the Inns have no funds from which to undertake this work, the best offer we can make to the Benchers is that we will allow them to appropriate one-half of their already exiguous income annually to the business of repair, which implies the presumption that they will reduce their purchases of books hereafter by such sum as they may deem it necessary to expend for the preservation of the volumes that they already have.

Surely, in that situation it would have been a very much more becoming gesture on the part of the State to say: "How much would it cost to put the bindings in suitable repair— £500?" There are some splendid old binders in this city. It is one of the crafts in which Dublin excelled and certainly equalled every other centre of the craft. Here is an opportunity of providing lucrative and useful work for a craft which finds very little occupation for its skill. It would have been a very modest act of generosity if we had given the Benchers £500 and told them to get done all the binding they wanted and then gave them annually a grant of £100 to maintain the books which are the nation's property—they are held in trust—in good condition for the rest of time.

It is a source of amazement to me that the Parliamentary Secretary has trotted in here with this most typical, dry-as-dust, unimaginative proposal which has been worked out in some obscure labyrinth in the Department of Finance. I urge on the Parliamentary Secretary to do what I know he has not the discretion, the power, or the moral courage to do, and that is to withdraw the Bill and say that, on reflection, he will ask the House to pass a Supplementary Estimate and that in the Estimates for this Department in the years to come we may expect an addition of £75 or £100 to the annual grant to the King's Inns for the purpose of maintenance and purchase of volumes for the library of that institution.

I do not know whether the Parliamentary Secretary has made any inquiries in regard to the query put to him on the Second Stage of the Bill. I should like to know if the Benchers were consulted before this Bill was brought in. I agree with Deputy Dillon that the condition of the King's Inns Library and of a large number of books there is not all that it might be. In fact, there is a considerable quantity of books awaiting binding. Many textbooks are now unprocurable, and even those which are procurable are totally unsuited to the law in this country, as they are English textbooks and their use for students here is practically negligible. If the Parliamentary Secretary is not able to assure the House that the Benchers have been consulted and have agreed with the proposal in this Bill, I think it would be unwise for us to pass it. Unless we can get the assurance that they have been consulted and that they are satisfied it is the best provision that can be made, I must oppose the Bill.

I assured the House on the Second Reading that the proposals contained in the Bill were proposals submitted to the Department of Finance by the Benchers.

I asked a Bencher about it within ten minutes after the Parliamentary Secretary finished on the Second Reading, and he informed me that he never heard of the Bill or its proposals.

I do not know who the authorities of the library are, but I was talking to Professor Ryan, a member of the other House, who informed me that he was one of those primarily responsible for these proposals.

As the Parliamentary Secretary has mentioned Senator Ryan, I will not characterise them by the adjective I intended to apply to them.

I do not know what effect the mention of Senator Ryan's name has upon the Deputy.

He is a decent man, whom I have known for years.

In reply to the question whether this Department consulted the Benchers regarding these proposals, I give the House an assurance that, not only have the authorities of the Law Library been consulted, but these proposals are the proposals that we were asked by those authorities to accept. We have accepted them. It is not true to say, as Deputy Dillon said here, that these proposals consist merely of a division of the sum previously made available for the purchase of books as between binding and purchase. I have explained to the House already that we provided a sum of £3,000 which up to now has completed the task that these authorities felt should be undertaken at once, namely, the work of binding books which were deteriorating. They further asked that the law should be amended so as to make an equal division as between binding and purchase of the annual grant to the Library. I say again that these proposals are the proposals of the library authorities and I cannot see why any Deputy here should take exception to them.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 36; Níl, 16.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Breathnach, Cormac.
  • Breen, Daniel.
  • Briscoe, Robert.
  • Burke, Patrick (Co. Dublin).
  • Butler, Bernard.
  • Carter, Thomas.
  • Childers, Erskine H.
  • Colbert, Michael.
  • Colley, Harry.
  • Fogarty, Andrew.
  • Fogarty, Patrick J.
  • Harris, Thomas.
  • Hilliard, Michael.
  • Humphreys, Francis.
  • Kissane, Eamon.
  • Lemass, Seán F.
  • Little, Patrick J.
  • Lynch, James B.
  • McCann, John.
  • McCarthy, Seán.
  • O Briain, Donnchadh.
  • O'Grady, Seán.
  • O'Loghlen, Peter J.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • O'Rourke, Daniel.
  • Ruttledge, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Ryan, Robert.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Ua Donnchadha, Dómhnall.
  • Walsh, Laurence.
  • Ward, Conn.

Níl

  • Bennett, George C.
  • Coogan, Eamonn.
  • Corish, Richard.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Davin, William.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dockrell, Henry M.
  • Dockrell, Maurice E.
  • Giles, Patrick.
  • Hughes, James.
  • Keyes, Michael.
  • Larkin, James (Junior).
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F.
  • Redmond, Bridget M.
  • Reidy, James.
  • Reynolds, Mary.
Tellers:—Tá: Deputies O Cíosáin and O Briain; Níl: Deputies Dillon and M.E. Dockrell.
Question declared lost.

This is a Money Bill within the meaning of Article 22 of the Constitution.

Seanad Eireann to be notified accordingly.

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