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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 12 Jul 1945

Vol. 97 No. 21

Committee on Finance. - Vote 35—District Court.

I move:—

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £702 be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1946, for such of the salaries and expenses of the district court as are not charged on the Central Fund (No. 27 of 1926, secs. 49 and 50; No. 15 of 1928, sec. 13; and No. 48 of 1936, secs. 51 and 77) and for a Capitation Grant.

This small sum of money is a grant-in-aid to the nuns at Henrietta Street who take in women who are put on probation by the courts. Hitherto, the nuns did so without remuneration, but they now find that they require a grant for the purpose, estimated at about 15/- per head.

Has this any reference to an increase in crime?

Mr. Boland

There is no increase in crime. This work was done voluntarily by the Henrietta Street nuns for years. Apparently the laundry there was paying in the past, but they have been working at a loss for some time and require payment. The service maintained itself formerly when the laundry was working.

Why is it not doing so now?

Mr. Boland

Altered conditions.

Because of the increased cost of living?

Mr. Boland

I do not know. If the Deputy wants to have a debate on the cost of living he must get some other Minister. I have gone into this question and I am satisfied that there is a loss on the institution and we are making up that loss by asking for £702.

In connection with the provision made for girls by this admirable convent at Henrietta Street, I want to ask the Minister a few questions. We are all familiar with the suggestion when girls are before the district justice from time to time, that they should retire to this convent for a period on condition of being given the benefit of the Probation of Offenders Act. But is there any obligation on these girls to stay in the convent? I think not. When girls give an undertaking to reform, the justices have reason to expect that some girls' fall from grace is due mainly to circumstances for which they are not primarily responsible, to bad company and to people who deliberately try to turn them from the ways of virtue. When they mean to turn over a new leaf, and give an undertaking to go to the convent, they are very often drawn out of the convent, and the nuns, anxious as they are to retain them, find that they are not able to require them to stay there.

Does the Minister intend to leave that situation as it is indefinitely, or does he think the time has come to consider a plan, where district justices deem it to be in the best interests of girls, that they should be vested with powers to commit them to an institution of this kind, as at present committals may be made to the Borstal? It seems to me that if the Minister, knowing the excellence of the work of the nuns, thinks it right to subsidise that work—with which I entirely agree —he might consider giving power compelling these girls to go to such institutions.

Mr. Boland

That would be another matter. What I am dealing with now is the fact that this service has not been paying, and the question whether district justices should have such power is, I submit, another question.

Are you making the grant on the basis of the length of time spent in the convent?

Mr. Boland

Yes, on the basis of 15/- a week.

Is it envisaged that the girls make some contribution? If this is the limited provision the Minister intends to make for this class of girl, it would be reasonable to inquire if he has anything of a more permanent character in mind. I do not think the Minister or any Deputy feels that, if this was the limit of the provision we intended to make, we were doing enough. Surely the Minister would not think it unreasonable to be asked if there was any permanent plan for this type of problem? Is this all that is going to be done?

Mr. Boland

I am dealing with the actual situation as we have it. It would require legislation to do what the Deputy suggests. All I am asking is, provision for those who are actually in the home. I am not taking any power to empower district justices to commit. We are now meeting the loss that the nuns have sustained.

Question put and agreed to.
Votes 10 and 35 reported and agreed to.
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