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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 10 Jun 1947

Vol. 106 No. 12

Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices (Amendment) Bill, 1947—First Stage.

I move that leave be granted to introduce a Bill entitled an Act to amend the Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices Act, 1938. This Bill proposes to increase the salaries of Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries and officers of the Dáil and Seanad. The salaries of the Taoiseach and the Attorney-General will be increased under the Bill by 20 per cent., the salaries of Ministers and the Ceann Comhairle by 25 per cent. and the salaries of the Cathaoirleach, Leas - Chathaoirleach, Parliamentary Secretaries and Leas-Cheann Comhairle by 30 per cent.

Deputy Mulcahy and the Leaders of the various Parties have emphasised that they were not consulted regarding these measures and I am glad they have brought out that point. The Government, in the last few months, have introduced and put through various increases in salaries of servants of the State which they considered wise in the public interest. As the executive authority, it was their duty to propose and to put these through, and, before arriving at that conclusion, they did not consult the members of the Opposition about them. I thought it was advisable, when the Government decided to make these proposals to the Dáil, and as the Taoiseach had answered a Parliamentary question on the matter a couple of weeks ago, to give certain essential particulars of the proposed legislation to the papers, so that they would know what the Bills were about when notification of their First Reading was given. It is the Government's duty in the public interest to make such proposals, from time to time as they think wise, and the Government have decided that it is in the public interest that the salaries of the officers in this Bill and in the other Bills should be increased by the amounts I have indicated.

The salaries and allowances of these officers and of members of the Dáil and Seanad were fixed as far back as 1938. I do not want to make a Second Reading speech on this matter, but the calculations made by Deputy Mulcahy to-day that the allowances of members of the Dáil and Seanad are as good now as they were then is somewhat new in debates on increases of salaries and Government expenses generally. In this matter, the Government have decided that it is in the public interest to make these proposals and, having arrived a that decision, they do not propose to shirk carrying it out. As the Government responsible for making propositions in the public interest, they do not propose to share their responsibility with the Opposition.

Even though half your Party does.

We are making these proposals in public. They can be debated in public and members of the Dáil and the public can make up their minds as to what is the public interest in the matter.

The Government Party have up to the present endeavoured to mix a very considerable amount of hypocrisy and concealment with the question of Minister's salaries. Nobody in the country minimises the responsibilities that a Minister bears, or the amount of very important work he is called upon to do, and no one will challenge the paying of adequate remuneration to a person occupying such a responsible office. There should, however, be no change in Ministerial salaries until the full value of the total Ministerial income, in both salary and emoluments, is ascertainable and clear to the taxpayer. At the present time, it is not so clear. The salary of a Minister is £1,700 a year, with certain pension provisions, but, in addition, there is an unlimited transport service provided for any purpose for which the Minister may require it— public, personal, family or Party purpose. It includes the provision of a car, the provision of chauffeurs, the provision of petrol and other running expenses. The annual cost of such a service must exceed £1,000 a year. The Taoiseach, on the other hand, receives but a car allowance of £350 per year.

The 1937 Committee recommended that allowances would be paid to the Leaders of two Opposition Parties to provide secretarial and other assistance for the doing of general Parliamentary work of the Opposition. The Government announced last Wednesday, without any reference to us, that they proposed to increase these allowances. I have not been consulted in the matter. I consider the proposals are entirely unwarranted. Somewhere in the general proposals the Government are now making there may be some central idea, but it is very hard to find. If the proposals to make these general increases are put forward thoughtlessly or just for some rule of thumb purpose, I consider that they should be dropped, but if they are made with premeditation, there are implications in them which must be examined into and explained. In the meantime, the proposals as published by the Government are not acceptable to us. We consider that Ministers should be adequately paid, but we consider, as I say, that their income should be clearly ascertainable and should be made clear to the taxpayer. That is not so to-day.

The Minister, in moving the First Reading of this Bill, gave a rather lame explanation of why he gave the information to the Press rather than by direct communication to the various Deputies. I wish to put my view to the Minister that, in overriding the Dáil and giving the Press precedence over the members of the House, he is overriding the people who sent every Deputy here, and I want to emphasise to the Government that such action as that should definitely be discouraged for the future. With regard to pressing this matter to a vote, it appears from what the Minister said that he is determined to steamroll this Bill through with his majority. I do not know whether the Leader of the Opposition intends to press for a division or not, but I want it to go on the records of the House that I dissent from the introduction of this Bill, as does my Party, and I ask the Leader of the Opposition, if it is his intention to press it to a division, not to waste the time of the House in doing so, in view of the fact that Fianna Fáil are determined to steam-roll it through, but to let us proceed with the important business before the House.

This is very important business.

In connection with this Bill, as in connection with the legislation introduced last week to increase the salaries of judges, the case, I suppose, will be made that the value of money has depreciated. If that is the case for the Bill, I think it is not a justifiable one for introducing permanent legislation of this kind, because, while the cost of living may be high at the moment, it is more than likely there will be a substantial reduction in the near future and the value of this increase will, therefore, be much greater than what is proposed. I think it is an outrage on the taxpayers and on the distressed and destitute section of our community to introduce a Bill of this kind. It is an outrage on hard-pressed industries and particularly on agriculture. It is particularly an outrage on agriculture that the very week the introduction of this legislation was announced through the Press we had a drastic reduction in the price of pigs. The price of pigs has to go down——

The Deputy is making a Second Reading speech.

I want to make an emphatic protest against this legislation. It is nothing short of audacity on the part of the Government to introduce a Bill of this kind at a time when so many sections of the community are finding it so difficult to live.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 48; Níl, 30.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Beegan, Patrick.
  • Blaney, Neal.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Bourke, Dan.
  • Brady, Brian.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Breathnach, Cormac.
  • Brennan, Thomas.
  • Breslin, Cormac.
  • Burke, Patrick (County Dublin).
  • Butler, Bernard.
  • Keyes, Michael.
  • Kilroy, James.
  • Kissane, Eamon.
  • Lemass, Seán F.
  • Little, Patrick J.
  • Lynch, James B.
  • McCann, John.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Moylan, Seán.
  • O'Grady, Seán.
  • Childers, Erskine H.
  • Colbert, Michael.
  • Colley, Harry.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Corry, Martin J.
  • Crowley, Honor Mary.
  • Derrig, Thomas.
  • De Valera, Eamon.
  • De Valera, Vivion.
  • Everett, James.
  • Gorry, Patrick J.
  • Harris, Thomas.
  • Hilliard, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • O'Rourke, Daniel.
  • O'Sullivan, Martin.
  • Rice, Bridget M.
  • Ruttledge, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Ryan, Mary B.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Traynor, Oscar.
  • Walsh, Richard.

Níl

  • Beirne, John.
  • Bennett, George C.
  • Blowick, Joseph.
  • Browne, Patrick.
  • Byrne, Alfred.
  • Cafferky, Dominick.
  • Coburn, James.
  • Cogan, Patrick.
  • Coogan, Eamonn.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Costello, John A.
  • Dockrell, Henry M.
  • Dockrell, Maurice E.
  • Donnellan, Michael.
  • Doyle, Peadar S.
  • Fagan, Charles.
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Giles, Patrick.
  • Halliden, Patrick J.
  • Hughes, James.
  • Keating, John.
  • MacEoin, Seán.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • McMenamin, Daniel.
  • Morrissey, Daniel.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F.
  • O'Reilly, Thomas.
  • Reidy, James.
  • Reynolds, Mary.
Question declared carried.
Ordered: That the Second Stage be taken on Tuesday, 17th June.
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