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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 13 Jul 1950

Vol. 122 No. 9

Committee on Finance. - Vote 25—Valuation and Boundary Survey.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £34,240 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1951, for the Salaries and Expenses of the General Valuation and Boundary Survey (15 & 16 Vict., c. 63; 17 Vict., c.8 and c.17; 20 & 21 Vict., c.45; 22 & 23 Vict., c.8; 23 Vict., c.4; 27 & 28 Vict., c.52; 37 & 38 Vict., c.70; 61 & 62 Vict., c.37; No. 19 of 1923; No. 3 of 1927; No. 27 of 1930; Nos. 27, 47 and 55 of 1931; No. 19 of 1932; No. 28 of 1937; No. 21 of 1939; and No.8 of 1940; Local Government (Application and Adaptation of Enactments) Order, 1925); including Estate Duty Valuation (10 Edw. 7, c.8), etc.

I want to direct the attention of the Minister to the activities of the Valuation Office over the last 12 months particularly. It will be recalled that, some years ago, the question of a general revaluation in this country was contemplated. But that question had to be abandoned because it was regarded then as political dynamite. I am going to submit to the House that, in recent years, the Commissioners of Valuation have, in effect, being trying to bring about what this House has certainly not given legislative sanction to. A study of the Dáil Order Paper over the last three months gives one an indication that the activities of the Commissioners of Valuation are causing widespread hardship. I know a property in this city where houses of identical character show an increase over the last couple of years of 20 per cent. in valuation. These houses are occupied by artisans and by clerical workers, individuals who, obviously, are not in a position to be burdened with extra taxation in this form. May I say that the grievance which I complain of is heightened by the fact that electricity charges are anchored, in very many cases, to the valuation of a house. I want to know if the Minister is in a position to indicate to the House why it is that property of an identical character in one area has shown a variation within the last two or three years, or within the last four or five years, as high as 20 per cent. On what grounds can that variation be justified? I submit to the Minister that the results of the activities of the Commissioners of Valuation are certainly inequitable.

The extraordinary thing about it, and this seems parodoxical, is that the commissioners can justify their attitude because of the basis of valuation generally. The main consideration in valuations is the letting value of property. It is true that the letting value of property at the present time is at an enhanced figures. In fact if the commissioners were to give effect to the law as it now stands you could have fantastic and prohibitive valuations. In effect, what the Commissioners of Valuation are saying is that, while at the present time the letting value of a house is say, £100, they could, instead of putting the figure at £30, make it as high as £70 or £80. The anomalous position we have at the present time is that the Valuation Commissioners are acting within the law by making these heavy increases in valuation. I suggest that there is something here which, because of its widespread character and of the undoubted hardship which it is inflicting, calls for a remedy, and for the personal intervention of the Minister himself.

There is another aspect of it which concerns local housing authorities. We all know that the valuations enter very largely into the fixation of rents. Here again the operations of the Valuation Commissioners are having very serious effects so far as local authorities are concerned. I noticed that, in reply to the parliamentary questions which were addressed to him on this subject over the past few months, it was possible for the Minister and quite justifiably to say that these increases in valuation had, in fact, been initiated by the local authorities. So far as the questions that were addressed to the Minister were concerned, that was so, but I have been in touch with a particular phase of valuations which is outside that category altogether, and that is in regard to the building of new houses. The only liaison there is between the local authority and the Valuation Office in these cases is that a notification is sent to the Valuation Office that the building of a house is completed, and thereafter, the valuation put on it is within the absolute control of the Commissioners of Valuation. The local authority does not come into it as such. Therefore, the steep increase of from 20 to 25 per cent. in valuation that has taken place in recent years in the case of houses newly-built is not due to the initiation of the local authority, but to direct action by the Valuation Commissioners themselves.

I want to say again that, in my opinion, the system that is in operation at the present time is inequitable. The answer to that may be, why not raise existing valuations and bring them all to the same level. I certainly am not advocating that, nor do I think any member of the House would advocate any such thing. I would say that the valuations in, say, Dublin 20 years ago were reasonable, but as I have pointed out they have been moving up steadily from that position in recent years, until at the present time they have reached a stage where, in my opinion, the intervention of the Minister is called for.

I have no control over the Valuation Commissioners. I can make inquiries and can give the results of those inquiries to the House, but I do not control the Valuation Commissioners. I would not be entitled to stop their activities except by the introduction of legislation. I want to stress again that the initiation in connection with revaluations rests with the local authorities, and that it would require a change in the law to have a new system.

In response to a question yesterday, I said that the whole matters had been under review, because undoubtedly there had been a number of complaints in this connection since 1948. I certainly have been making many inquiries. I said yesterday afternoon that I was having the matter specially attended to, with a view to seeing whether any better system could be adopted and I did not rule out the possibility of amending legislation. Again I want to correct a wrong impressions that is bound to be created by speeches such as we have just heard. There is no doubt that the volume of complaint in regard to revaluation is growing and it is possible that that may be due to the state of affairs to which Deputy O'Sullivan referred, that you may have two properties adjoining and the rate collector is moved to get the valuation of one of the properties reviewed because some repairs or additions have been carried out and that property is revised upwards by a good percentage. That gives a good deal of the picture but it is in the over-all picture I am interested. I got a return recently and it showed that as between the years 1938 and 1939—I wanted to get the pre-war years—the increase in valuation— I am only speaking of buildings because it is buildings only that matter —came to 2.3 per cent. The year 1938 showed a rise over the previous year's level of almost the same extent — 2.2 per cent.

The move upwards as a result of revaluations between 1948 and 1949 was 3.8 per cent. and from 1949 to 1950 3.7 per cent. It should be remembered, however, that there was very little done in the way of revaluing during the years in which the war situation had developed. It should also be remembered that there has been a very big increase in building in recent years which would itself account for the increase shown in valuation even if there had been no revaluation. These figures make one conclude that although there is a good deal of clamour about special injustices, there has not been anything like a jump in the general revaluation percentage. When you compare the pre-war percentages of increase—2.3 per cent. and 2.2 per cent. — with the post-war increase of 3.8 per cent., it represents nothing like an approach to a new valuation. That is all I want to say about the matter. I have nothing to do with the initiation of these valuations and I have not control over the commissioners who go out to revalue.

There is one matter to which I want to refer which just shows the point to which this thing can be brought, even to the point of the ludicrous. A most ingenious gentleman, who decided to move in the matter of revaluation, cut out 414 pages of Thom's Directory and sent it to the commissioners saying that he wanted the valuations of all these properties revised. I am glad that the City Commissioner decided that was not a proper or legal approach to him and that he would not operate on it.

Was that a rate collector?

This was a citizen, a ratepayer.

May I point out that there has been a complaint in the Clontarf area——

This was a Clontarf citizen.

There is the fact that in the Clontarf area there has been a widespread complaint that notices of revaluation have been received by a large number of people. I hope I gathered correctly from the Minister that these notices will not be effective.

This citizen who sent on 414 pages of Thom's Directory will not achieve anything but notices have gone out, I understand, in other cases because of the collector's activities.

Any widespread increase of valuation in the Clontarf area——

Would be awkward.

I would find it very strange. Have any directions been sent to the rate collectors to initiate revision?

I am speaking only for myself and the valuation office — no.

Or from the Department of Local Government?

I have made inquiries and I understand what has happened is that the rate collectors are moving on their own. I should point out in their defence that they may be penalised to the extent of £8 or £10 in respect of houses which have not been revalued and which should be revalued where they do not call attention to these cases.

I would penalise them for their neglect for the last ten years.

My comments were directed mainly not against revaluation as such but with revaluation which does not initiate with the rate collectors at all. It is a matter where the main operation rests with the Valuation Office.

The initiative lies with somebody outside.

That is purely formal.

It may be formal.

Vote put and agreed to.
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