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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 22 Jul 1952

Vol. 133 No. 10

Question of Privilege.

I want to raise a matter of privilege. I do not want to argue it, Sir, but only to bring it to your attention. I did not get an opportunity of informing you beforehand. On 27th June the Minister for Finance tabled in the Library the Finance Accounts for the year ending 31st March, 1952. On 28th June, the following day, I went to the Library to get the accounts that were so tabled and that appeared to be so tabled according to the Order Paper of 27th June. I found that the sole account was a blank sheet of paper. I informed the proper officers of this House who, I understand, informed the Minister's officers and I was told that that was the normal procedure. I suggested that whether it was normal procedure or not it was an entirely incorrect procedure and that when documents are tabled, even if they are not yet printed, a typescript copy should be available, and I indicated that, so far as the summary was concerned, at least the summary should be made available. I said I would raise the matter during the next week but, not being unduly anxious to press it, I left the matter over for a week.

I then pressed the matter again, and I was told by message that the information would be forthcoming if I put down a question. I submit that that is not the proper method, that when documents are presented and tabled in this way they should be put in the Library, which is the proper place, in typescript if, as can obviously be seen, they could not be printed within the statutory time.

It would have been perhaps just as well if I had had some notice that the Deputy was going to raise this matter. First of all, I should say that it has been the invariable practice not merely since this House was established but in another place, arising out of the fact that an Act of 1869 provides that the Finance Accounts must be in fact presented to Parliament before the 30th June in the year succeeding that to which they relate, to submit these and other documents, the presentation of which is prescribed within a certain time, in dummy.

It is a bad practice.

It may be, but because of the physical impossibility of having all the accounts collated and prepared and the information required ready for printing, that has been the invariable custom. If it would meet the Deputy, we may bring in a Bill to extend the statutory date, and then I hope that the Deputy will have no further cause for dissatisfaction. May I say with regard to the Deputy's suggestion that he was informed that if he put down a question certain information would be given to him, that I have no knowledge that that information was conveyed to the Deputy? I do not propose to depart from the longstanding custom. We will, I hope, before next session, have a Bill which will extend the statutory date.

The only thing the Chair can say is that the whole matter is presented to the Chair in dummy form. I know nothing about it. It can be discussed by the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

The House is entitled to take cognisance of a question of privilege.

I am not saying anything about that. I had no knowledge of this matter being raised.

I thought that the officials had informed you that I was taking up this matter.

I often heard of a tailor's dummy, but this is the first time I heard of a Minister's dummy.

The matter can be dealt with in due course. Will I be allowed to say with regard to the last impertinent sentence of the Minister that it is a truly good statement from a "dummy" Minister?

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