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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 25 Mar 1958

Vol. 166 No. 7

Committee on Finance. - Vote 25—Valuation and Boundary Survey.

I move:—

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £10 be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1958, for the Salaries and Expenses of the General Valuation and Boundary Survey Office, including certain other Services administered by that Office.

The bulk of the travelling expenses in this Vote is due to the fact that the Valuation Office has to do so much valuation of buildings, inspections and so on throughout the country. These arise either from requests for re-valuation by authorities or from appeals against valuations. The Commissioners of Valuation have no control over the number of applications they may receive for re-valuation or the number of appeals they may receive against valuations. It cannot, therefore, be ascertained exactly what the number of these will be. Applications for re-valuation have to be in early in April and the appeals early in July, but these Estimates have to be prepared early in November and it is therefore impossible to make a firm estimate.

The number to be dealt with this year was greater than the number anticipated and therefore the amount of travelling expenses was greater by about £500. There are savings under other sub-heads which leaves me in the position that I have to ask the Dáil for only £10.

Did I understand the Minister to say that the amount in excess of what was anticipated is £500?

It seems to me, from looking at the Supplementary Estimate, that the figure is £1,700.

No. The actual increase is £500.

Wherever one travels in this country at the present time, there is to be found proof of the need for this Supplementary Estimate. I think it is generally accepted that there has been more revision of the valuations of buildings throughout the country in the past year than there has been for a very long time. Certainly that is the position in relation to my own constituency, and I have been told that it is the same in other constituencies. In case the Minister has any doubt in the matter, I am one of the people who have been hit in my constituency.

It does seem to me to be somewhat absurd that, at a time when we are doing our utmost to ensure that people will spend money on keeping buildings in proper repair and on modernising business premises, on making the countryside and the towns generally attractive to tourists, nobody can do the slightest little thing to improve his premises in the smallest degree without having an immediate descent on him for revaluation purposes. That is a deterrent to progress and improvement and it is a feature of our life that will have to be tackled by someone at some stage.

The general method by which the Valuation Office operates is one that must be considered. I want to make it perfectly clear that, in saying that, I am not criticising in any way the valuers or inspectors, or whatever they call themselves, but I do know that there is very considerable delay in completing valuations for certain purposes. There is the verification of estate duty valuation, on the one hand, and stamp duty valuation, on the other. Both of these have got into a system from which it is not feasible to get the results for the taxpayer as quickly as they should be got.

I think that arises because of the system by which valuers go to certain parts of the country only at certain fixed times of the year. I know it is difficult to map out the valuers' work so as to get the best results and at the same time to avoid having the valuers crossing and re-crossing their own tracks. I know that the officials are, at all times, anxious to facilitate as best they can in relation to an urgent request, but the general run of the system is not all that it should be. I want to take this opportunity of asking the Minister to see that something be done to correct it.

I assume that the increase of £500 arises because of the necessity to increase the subsistence allowances, owing to the Budget of last year. If I am correct in that, I need not say anything more on it, as my views are already well known and I expressed them here some time ago. If it is the position in the current year that we wanted £13,200, and the trend is going up all around the country, as I believe it is from what I hear, and that more and more valuations are being made, it is rather extraordinary that for the next year the Minister is asking for less than the revised Estimate here. However, that is a matter which we will discuss when we come to deal with the 1958-59 Estimates.

There are many people in the country who are very disturbed at the present time about the activities of the Valuation Office officials throughout the country. I believe that they are putting a premium on progress and I cannot see why the Valuation Office should interfere when a man improves his holding. It is a handicap on progress. I was speaking to a farmer last night who had just received a notice that his valuation was to be increased by £6 5s. He bought that land eight or ten years ago and spent quite a lot of money on bringing the holding up to the most modern standard. Now, this is to be the reward for his industry. He was quite annoyed that this thing should happen to him in a free country.

I should like to know from the Minister for Finance how many of these officials are abroad through the country at the present moment, inspecting farms and business holdings. I had a case the other day of three people who live in non-municipal houses in a small village in Cork. The houses are now vested in them and they have had notification from the Valuation Office recently that their valuations have been increased enormously compared with what they were previously on their holdings. I think that something should be done to curb the activities of the Valuation Office. The people who are faced with this sort of thing are very slow to carry out improvements, because, if they do so, they will immediately be visited by the officials and their valuations increased.

In regard to Deputy Sweetman's point that the number has been increased—it has been slightly increased, I agree. As a matter of fact, the number is fairly high. Revisions of valuation in this last year numbered 43,600 compared with 43,800 the year before. Appeals were up from 4,400 to 4,800, so that the number between revisions and appeals really did not amount to very much.

Regarding Deputy Manley's point, I am afraid he cannot blame the officers of the Valuation Department: they go only on request and make a report, according to the law. It is the law that is probably to blame. I mean by that, that if Deputy Manley thinks the system is wrong, it is the law that must be changed not the activities of the Valuation Office. To change the law is a very big matter and one which should get full consideration.

And a thorny one also.

The valuer must go on request, but, as Deputy Manley is quite aware, I am sure, the aggrieved person is entitled to appeal——

I am quite aware of that, but at the same time, is it not a sort of spying system and a system that should not be encouraged at this time?

I think if one examined the matter one would find that it is logical, so long as we have this system of valuation. The old principle, laid down 100 years ago, was the letting value at that time, which is not the letting value now. I think it is now based on the valuation at the time. That has grown up as a sort of system, and under that system or the policy built up under that, if a house is improved, then logically the valuation must go up. If the Dáil wishes to do so, let us change the law, but, so long as it is there, we must carry it out.

I want to say to Deputy Sweetman that the Budget last year was responsible for many things, but not for increased subsistence allowances which were given as a result of the arbitration of 1956.

Fair enough—touché.

I also want to tell Deputy Sweetman that there is a proposal under active consideration in the Valuation Office to speed up valuations for stamp duty and estate duty and there may be some results from that.

Vote put and agreed to.
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