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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 10 Apr 1962

Vol. 194 No. 10

Resolution No. 4—Customs and Excise. - Beer.

I move:—

(1) That in this Resolution "the Act of 1957" means the Finance Act, 1957 (No. 20 of 1957).

(2) That in lieu of the duty of excise imposed by subsection (2) of section 9 of the Act of 1957, there shall be charged, levied and paid on all beer brewed within the State on or after the 11th day of April, 1962, a duty of excise at the rate of eleven pounds, sixteen shillings and sixpence for every thirty-six gallons of worts of a specific gravity of one thousand and fifty-five degrees.

(3) That in lieu of the duty of customs imposed by subsection (3) of section 9 of the Act of 1957, there shall, as on and from the 11th day of April, 1962, be charged, levied and paid, on mum, spruce or black beer, Berlin white beer, and other preparations (whether fermented or not fermented) of a similar character imported into the State, a duty of customs at the following rates, that is to say:

(a) for every thirty-six gallons of beer of which the worts are, or were before fermentation, of a specific gravity not exceeding one thousand, two hundred and fifteen degrees— forty-seven pounds, eight shillings;

(b) for every thirty-six gallons of beer of which the worts are, or were before fermentation, of a specific gravity exceeding one thousand, two hundred and fifteen degrees—fiftyfive pounds, eleven shillings.

(4) That in lieu of the duty of customs imposed by subsection (4) of section 9 of the Act of 1957, there shall, as on and from the 11th day of April, 1962, be charged, levied and paid on all beer of any description (other than beer chargeable with duty at a rate provided by paragraph (3) of this Resolution) imported into the State, a duty of customs at the rate of eleven pounds, seventeen shillings for every thirty-six gallons of beer of which the worts were before fermentation of a specific gravity of one thousand and fifty-five degrees.

(5) That there shall be allowed and paid on the exportation as merchandise or the shipment for use as stores of beer on which it is shown, to the satisfaction of the Revenue Commissioners, that duty at a rate provided by paragraph (2), paragraph (3) or paragraph (4) of this Resolution has been paid, a drawback calculated according to the original specific gravity of such beer, at the rate of eleven pounds, sixteen shillings and ninepence on every thirty-six gallons of beer of which the original specific gravity was one thousand and fifty-five degrees.

(6) That where, in the case of beer which is chargeable with duty at the rate provided by paragraph (2) or paragraph (4) of this Resolution or in the case of beer on which drawback under paragraph (5) of this Resolution is payable, the specific gravity of such beer is not one thousand and fifty-five degrees, the said duty or the said drawback (as the case may be) shall be varied proportionately.

(7) That Section 24 of the Finance Act, 1933 (No. 15 of 1933), shall not apply or have effect in relation to either of the duties of customs to which this Resolution refers.

(8) It is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

I want to raise a point that seems obscure. The Resolution proposes to impose an additional duty of 31/- on the standard barrel of beer. I understand the standard barrel to be 36 gallons. If you divide, 31/- representing 372 pence by 36, it gives you the answer of 10.3 pence. Would that be correct?

I have not got the sum.

There are eight pints in a gallon. I am always subject to correction and I am trying to get information. I have divided eight into 10.3d. and that appears to me to represent 1.3d. which is, as far as I know, a differential of 33? per cent. instead of 25 per cent. as the Minister announced it was his intention to apply under these proposals. Not only that, but as there is no unit of currency representing 0.3d. the public will be charged a halfpenny because the publican is not likely to bear the loss of three-tenths of a penny for every pint. We are opposed to the imposition of this tax.

It has been said these taxes are being raised to provide finance to increase pensions and relieve the rates of the agricultural community. We believe it is a good thing to reduce the rates of the agricultural community and we have directed the attention of the country and the Government to the possibility of doing that and announced our intention during the last general election campaign of doing it, if afforded the opportunity by the electorate. We believe that with the increased cost of living, a heavy burden falls on the old age pensioners, the widows and all classes of pensioners, as Deputy Cosgrave and others of my colleagues expressed in moving a resolution here in the past month.

We believe it is a good thing to help the agricultural community to meet the increased cost of living they have to bear, but the yield of this tax comes largely from the very category of persons to whom I have referred and it is being devoted to removing the tax on dance halls and cinemas. I do not think it is a reasonable thing in this day and age to lay a heavy burden on the licensed trade of the country, who are having a pretty rough time of it as it is, by reducing the total volume of their trade. But what is a far greater argument against it is the levying of 1½d. on the pint of the working man or of the old age pensioner or of persons with fixed incomes in order to take it off the dance halls and the cinemas.

We realise that cinemas are having a hard time, consequent on the added competition provided by television, and a modest proposal to help them would have our sympathetic consideration, but a proposal to put 1.3d. on the pint of beer in order to take the tax off dance halls and cinemas is inequitable, unreasonable and unfair. On the broad, general principles I have mentioned, we are opposed to this tax and will vote against it. I would now ask the Minister how in his Budget statement he felt it proper to describe a tax as being 25 per cent. less than in fact it is. There is a very wide difference between a tax of a penny on the pint and 1.3d. and therefore I think the Minister owes us an explanation on that score. As I have said, this is a tax against which we propose to vote.

The standard barrel is given at 1,055 specific gravity. That is higher than the gravity at which stout is sold. I am told beer is sold at less gravity.

Will the Minister say what is the new tax now on the pint?

An extra 1d.

But what is the new figure? What is the total tax now on a pint of stout—on the ordinary pint of Guinness, Murphy's or Beamish's?

The duty will now be 7.69d. per pint.

Is there 6 per cent. allowed for waste?

That remains as it was.

The Minister stated there was an extra tax of a penny a pint. We have now been told the new tax is 7.69d. per pint of beer. Are we to take it then that the old tax was 6.69d.?

That is right.

So the actual increase is 1d. per pint. How does the Minister explain away Deputy Dillon's argument?

Apparently the specific gravity at which beer is sold is different from that set out in the Resolution.

It is sold at a gravity which is lower.

At what gravity is it sold?

I do not know at the moment.

The Minister has it in his brief.

The customer will now pay 1d. more for his pint.

Does that allow a margin for the trade?

So that the increase in fact may be 2d. per pint?

Resolution put.
The Committee divided: Tá, 72; Níl, 69.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Lorcan.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Blaney, Neil T.
  • Boland, Kevin.
  • Booth, Lionel.
  • Brady, Philip A.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Brennan, Joseph.
  • Brennan, Paudge.
  • Breslin, Cormac.
  • Briscoe, Robert.
  • Burke, Patrick J.
  • Calleary, Phelim A.
  • Carter, Frank.
  • Carty, Michael.
  • Childers, Erskine.
  • Clohessy, Patrick.
  • Colley, George.
  • Collins, James J.
  • Corry, Martin J.
  • Cotter, Edward.
  • Crinion, Brendan.
  • Crowley, Honor M.
  • Cummins, Patrick J.
  • Cunningham, Liam.
  • Davern, Mick.
  • de Valera, Vivion.
  • Dolan, Séamus.
  • Dooley, Patrick.
  • Egan, Kieran P.
  • Egan, Nicholas.
  • Fanning, John.
  • Faulkner, Padraig.
  • Flanagan, Seán.
  • Gallagher, James.
  • Galvin, John.
  • Geoghegan, John.
  • Gibbons, James M.
  • Gilbride, Eugene.
  • Gogan, Richard P.
  • Haughey, Charles.
  • Hillery, Patrick.
  • Hilliard, Michael.
  • Kennedy, Michael J.
  • Kitt, Michael F.
  • Lalor, Patrick J.
  • Lemass, Noel T.
  • Lemass, Seán.
  • Leneghan, Joseph R.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lynch, Celia.
  • Lynch, Jack.
  • MacCarthy, Seán.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Meaney, Con.
  • Medlar, Martin.
  • Millar, Anthony G.
  • Moher, John W.
  • Mooney, Patrick.
  • Moran, Michael.
  • Ó Briain, Donnchadh.
  • Ó Ceallaigh, Seán.
  • O'Connor, Timothy.
  • O'Malley, Donogh.
  • Ormonde, John.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Sheridan, Joseph.
  • Sherwin, Frank.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Timmons, Eugene.

Níl

  • Barrett, Stephen D.
  • Barron, Joseph.
  • Barry, Anthony.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Burke, James J.
  • Burton, Philip.
  • Byrne, Patrick.
  • Carroll, Jim.
  • Casey, Seán.
  • Clinton, Mark A.
  • Collins, Seán.
  • Connor, Patrick.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Costello, Declan D.
  • Costello, John A.
  • Coughlan, Stephen.
  • Crotty, Patrick J.
  • Desmond, Dan.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dockrell, Henry P.
  • Dockrell, Maurice E.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Donnellan, Michael.
  • Dunne, Seán.
  • Dunne, Thomas.
  • Esmonde, Sir Anthony C.
  • Everett, James.
  • Farrelly, Denis.
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Gilhawley, Eugene.
  • Governey, Desmond.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hogan, Patrick (South Tipperary).
  • Belton, Jack.
  • Blowick, Joseph.
  • Browne, Michael.
  • Browne, Noel C.
  • Hogan O'Higgins, Brigid.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Kenny, Henry.
  • Kyne, Thomas A.
  • Lynch, Thaddeus.
  • McAuliffe, Patrick.
  • MacEoin, Seán.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • McLoughlin, Joseph.
  • McQuillan, John.
  • Mullen, Michael.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • Murphy, William.
  • Norton, William.
  • O'Donnell, Patrick.
  • O'Donnell, Thomas G.
  • O'Higgins, Michael J.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F.K.
  • O'Keeffe, James.
  • O'Reilly, Patrick.
  • O'Sullivan, Denis J.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Reynolds, Patrick J.
  • Rooney, Eamonn.
  • Ryan, Richie.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Sweetman, Gerard.
  • Tierney, Patrick.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Tully, James.
Tellers: Tá: Deputies J. Brennan and Geoghegan; Níl: Deputies O'Sullivan and Crotty.
Resolution declared carried.
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