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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 17 Jul 1963

Vol. 204 No. 8

Adjournment Debate. - Rockchapel (Cork) Postman.

At Question Time today, I asked the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs about the filling of a vacant post in the sub-post office at Rockchapel, County Cork, eight or nine months ago. In reply, the Minister pointed out that the post was filled from nominees sent to him through the labour exchange; in other words, that the best qualified person was selected to fill the vacancy.

In 1962, another vacancy occurred at Rockchapel and temporary men carried out the duties of that post over a pretty long period. Of the two men actually employed in a temporary capacity, one was named O'Connor who was married with a wife and four children. This man, being a member of the Defence Forces and genuinely unemployed, had his name supplied through the local labour exchange for relief work. He carried out that work over a certain period and then the labour exchange submitted the name of another man who was in greater need of consideration for employment because he was the father of six children and was receiving greater benefit from the local exchange. The second man was employed for a period of 28 weeks.

O'Connor then went to the labour exchange and was in receipt of unemployment benefit from the time the second man was employed in that post. This second man who was employed, Nolan, was the father of six children. He was employed for 28 weeks in 1961 and for part of 1962. He gave loyal and faithful service and he did the job at a time when the conditions were extremely difficult for anyone travelling in that locality, because bad as the conditions were in County Wicklow at Christmas, they were even worse around Rockchapel.

It was strange that when interviews were held for the previous post that was filled in 1962 both O'Connor and Nolan were called for interview and afterwards the two men were employed in a temporary capacity. That proves that nothing could be held against these two men. The two of them were married men; one had Army service and the other was the father of six children and was drawing £6 a week unemployment benefit. However, when it came to filling this post the Minister decided, in his wisdom, to appoint a single man who was not even registered at the labour exchange. I am anxious to know whether there is a change of policy in this regard. We have always thought that as regards employment the recommendation of the local labour exchange was taken into account. In many instances for other lines of employment we find from time to time that recommendations are being made by the local labour exchange and men are given employment as a result.

However, that was not done in regard to these two men, one the father of six children, and the other the father of four children. There is a third man I have not mentioned because I do not know the background very well. He was also an ex-Army man and he did not get consideration either. I believe, and so do the people in that area believe, that there was victimisation in this case because a man who gave loyal and good service to the post office for a number of years as did one of these men in particular, Nolan, got no consideration good, bad or indifferent. The second man, O'Connor, who also gave faithful service was overlooked.

I sincerely hope the Minister will make a thorough investigation of this case so that the people in this locality will have their minds relieved in this regard because grave doubts do exist. I would further ask the Minister to state whether he received the necessary recommendation in regard to reputation from the person who was appointed. Was he previously employed by the Post Office at any time and, if so, was there a recommendation sent in to the Department? I trust the Minister will clear the air in regard to this appointment.

Deputy McAuliffe in raising this matter on the Adjournment tonight makes reference to appointments to two vacancies, one that which occurred in 1962 and the other which occurred not eight or nine months ago but on the 18th April this year. I did not intend to make any reference to the previous appointment, that of 1962, but the names for the 1962 appointment were submitted in the normal way from the employment exchange to the Department of Posts and Telegraphs and the person appointed by me was a married man with nine children.

That is correct.

The person I appointed recently was, as I indicated today, an unmarried man. His name was submitted also in 1962 for the first vacancy. On this occasion there were five names submitted to the Department of Posts and Telegraphs from the employment exchange including the name of the person I appointed and the names of people who have been mentioned here by Deputy McAuliffe. The facts reported to me and accompanying the name of each applicant are confidential and I am precluded from giving them here in the House. It is true that many people think that when a nominee from the employment exchange is taken on by the local head postmaster he is confirmed in the appointment. That is not a fact. The names are submitted to the Minister for the time being and it is the Minister's obligation to appoint to the post the person he thinks is best fitted to carry out the obligations and the person he thinks is the proper person to be appointed. In this instance I was confronted really with two people, one of three married men and the son of the auxiliary postman who resigned, who was 71 years of age and who was in the service as postman in this area from 1911.

Did that make him better fitted?

I did not say that.

We are interested to hear what the Minister is going to say.

I decided I would appoint him. One of the reasons that convinced me that it was the proper thing to do was the fact that I have now stated.

That he was the son of the former postman?

One of the reasons.

Will that be the practice in the future?

I did not say it was the practice in the past or will be in the future.

It is a good excuse for this time.

It is my obligation to make the appointment. I am not obliged to state my reasons in this House for making any appointment as an auxiliary postman in any office anywhere. The obligation is mine to make the appointment.

What is the purpose of going to the labour exchange?

The purpose of going to the labour exchange is to get the names of eligible and qualified applicants. It is my obligation to appoint the auxiliary postman. I did it in this instance and that is the end of the matter.

Was this man got from the labour exchange.

I have said so.

Would the Minister say in regard to the reputation of Nolan and O'Connor, were they up to standard? They were employed in a temporary capacity.

It is a mistake for anybody to think that because a person is not appointed he is not up to the standard or that he is a person of doubtful character. That is not so.

What is confidential about all this?

The obligation rests on me to make the appointment and I made this appointment from the five names that were submitted from the employment exchange.

Is it not a fact that as far as North Cork is concerned, it is the same position as existed a few years ago, when a Minister came into this House and said the fruits of Government policy will have to go to Government supporters.

No such thing was said. I was going to make reference to the fact that the Deputy did not at all make the insinuation that this appointment was made because of political pressure. It was not.

It certainly was.

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 2 p.m. on Thursday, 18th July, 1963.

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