Following that letter they were seen by my officers on 20th May, 1960. At the meeting they tendered a statement on their own headed paper saying:
NURSING HOMES 1.
Nursing Home owned by a woman not a nurse, catering for patients who require general nursing as well as old people requiring care. Number of patients about 20.
That might be case No. 1 in their letter to the Evening Press on 24th March last. In the Press the home is described as—
A "home" run by a retired nurse, who had entire charge of five bedridden elderly patients, with the help of a charwoman for two hours each day.
In the letter to my Department it is a home owned by a woman not a nurse, so there would appear to be a discrepancy between their two accounts of this particular case,
The second reference is a—
Nursing Home catering for seven patients in small private house run entirely by the owner, a trained nurse aged 79. Only help employed was a charwoman....
It occurs to me now reading both, that perhaps their No. 1 case in one letter has become their No. 2 case in the other, and vice versa.
CASE No. 3:
Nursing Home catering for general cases and old people. Aged patient kept in room under stairs with no window, wire netting. Fees from 10 guineas downwards.
That appears in the letter to the Evening Press as—
A home where an elderly patient was in a "room" under the stairs, with no window.
There is no mention of wire or anything else in the letter to the Press. I grant you these would be deplorable cases, provided it were demonstrated that they in fact existed. The ladies on this deputation came in and saw my officers. They discussed the whole matter with them and the record of the meeting shows that they left, apparently, without mentioning where these homes were which they alleged ought to be inspected, and without mentioning the names of their informants. Despite what the Honorary Secretaries of this Association said in their letter to the Evening Press of 24th March, of this year, I do not think there was any evidence adduced at that interview which would justify me coming to the House and asking the House to empower local authorities to inspect every nursing home in the State.
Having considered the matter, as I have said, I declined to do that. Instead, I brought in this Bill which, let me say, is an empirical measure. It is, I think, as far as I am justified in going on the basis of the information given to me, and on what I know, so far, about this problem. It is not impossible that, when this Bill becomes operative, some evidence may become available to us, which will justify the Oireachtas in meeting to some extent the views expressed here and elsewhere as to the need for inspection. Until the need for that inspection, however, has been fully demonstrated we are not, I think, justified in going further than we go in this Bill. I hope, therefore, that the House will reject the amendment and allow the Bill to pass through its final Stages.