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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 22 Jun 1966

Vol. 223 No. 7

Committee on Finance. - Financial Resolution No.3: Tax in Respect of Certain Goods (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following Resolution:
That—
(a) with effect as on and from the 1st day of October, 1966, a tax, to be paid by such persons and in such circumstances as may be specified in the Act giving effect to this Resolution, shall, subject to the provisions of that Act, be charged at the rate of five per cent in respect of goods sold within the State and goods imported into the State;
(b) the said tax shall not apply in respect of food, drink, tobacco, medicines, clothing, fuel or hydrocarbon oils, or such other goods as may be excluded by or under the Act giving effect to this Resolution.
—(Minister for Finance).

When progress was reported, I was drawing the attention of the House and of the Minister to the lackadaisical, slick and yet extravagant manner in which he had drawn the Financial Resolution, or else had misdrawn his Budget speech. It is, I suggest, entirely improper that the Minister in his Budget speech last week should give the impression he was going to tax with this wholesale tax only those articles which were already subject to turnover tax, but when the Financial Resolution comes along— which he will be exhorting his cohorts to vote for in due course—that Resolution imposes the tax not merely on those articles that are subject to turnover tax but on a great many other articles exempt from the turnover tax.

The habit the Minister got in relation to that last year in the Resolution grounding one section of the Finance Bill of 1965 and which he has continued this year is one that is bound to cause great uneasiness and to disturb greatly the community as a whole. I would have thought that after the public outcry last year he would have learned his lesson. Apparently he has not because we find in this he has taken power to do far more than he indicated in his speech he was proposing to do.

I notice also that in his Budget speech the Minister described this as a selective wholesale tax. The essence of a selective tax is to impose differing rates on different commodities. This is a flat tax at one rate, taking no account of whether it is a luxury, a nearluxury or something absolutely and vitally essential. While frankly I feel the manner of imposition of the tax is an improvement on the turnover tax of three years ago, at the same time, it is disturbing that it is being imposed, not in substitution for that tax but in addition to it.

We were told at that time that it was utterly impossible, administratively and otherwise, to have anything other than a flat, one-scale, one-rate tax on everything. The excuse given for including in that turnover tax the bare necessaries of life was that the tax itself would not be operative administratively unless it covered everything from bread to butter, meat and every single article of food. Shortly after the turnover tax was enacted in 1963 and put into force, we found exemptions were being made, thereby showing it was possible not to have the universality of its application that the Fianna Fáil Party claimed was necessary for it. Unfortunately, however, as we all know now, the damage had been done at that time and the spiral commenced which was continued for the purpose of Fianna Fáil saving themselves from a general election by winning dishonestly the Cork and Kildare by-elections of that time.

It is not that I want to go back particularly to that turnover tax, but this tax in itself, while put on the wholesale level which is better than the universal turnover tax, is, however, contrary to the best present thought on taxation such as this. The best thought on indirect taxation of this kind is universally accepted to be that propounded in Sweden. I do not know whether the Minister reads the monthly pamphlet of the Svenska Handelsbanken, the economic review published by the Bank of Sweden. In the issue that came at the beginning of the year, they made it clear that in Sweden they were moving on and away from a flat turnover tax to what is commonly called a value added tax. It is extraordinary that when progressive countries in Europe and elsewhere are moving on to a value added tax the Minister has not thought fit to give any consideration at all to that but has applied a single rate tax at wholesale level. I stress “single rate” in order to make it quite clear that it is not a selective tax.

One of the advantages of the value added tax is that companies which have to pay tax on their turnover have the right to deduct from the tax payable the tax already paid in earlier stages of production and in earlier stages of distribution on goods and services required by them. The reason for doing that is to avoid many of the disadvantages that there are in the flat turnover tax, operative at retail level by the disastrous imposition of 1963 and now to be operative at wholesale level. The flat turnover tax, or what I may call the 1963 tax, was aimed primarily at consumption. It was aimed, I believe, not merely at increasing revenue but also at damping down consumption, something of course which it was utterly impossible to do in that way and which was entirely wrong in the universality of its application. It had the effect not merely of initiating the spiral but on businesses and investments and on some services that are used in production, it has led to double taxation in certain fields of taxation. This double taxation under the 1963 tax has affected different products in varying degrees and in a haphazard way. Companies which sometimes manufactured goods they needed for their own investment do not have to pay turnover tax on these goods, whereas the companies which buy goods from other companies have to pay tax.

The simplest and best example of that is in relation to the building trade where a company that buys its joinery from someone else has to pay 2½ per cent on the joinery for the house which it buys, but if it manufactures the joinery itself, no 2½ per cent tax goes into that house when it is being built. However, the value added tax which allows the company to deduct the tax paid on goods and services used in production is free from this disadvantage. It also means that the effect of it is that it is neutral in relation to comtage panies of different sizes and of different production structures.

Another great advantage of the value added tax is that it is free in its impact on the export industry and therefore its impact on exports can be entirely eliminated. I agree, of course, that there is no turnover tax as such on exported goods and I think the Minister will propose that because they are exported, they will be free from this new tax. Again, he does not say so in the Resolution, although he did say it in the Budget speech. It is another case in which the Resolution does not follow the Budget speech. Exports are indirectly affected by the existing turnover tax and by the new wholesale tax because the tax is levied on investments at various stages of production and naturally those investments have to get their return and the effect of it is indirect in its application to the export field. When you take into account how badly we need exports, and how badly we need to encourage those exports, it is to be regretted that the Minister used the most hamfisted method he could in 1963 and now in 1966 he is using another hamfisted method, although it is not as hamfisted as his earlier method. If he had gone to the value added tax, it would have been possible to deduct this from goods and services included in the production of exported goods.

I do not know why the Minister has described this as a selective tax. The word "selective" to any ordinary person means something that chooses between one aspect and another. It is perhaps, selective in that food, drink and tobacco are excluded from its operation. Of course, they are excluded merely because they could not bear any more. One of the things that appears from the Budget speech—and I use the word "appears" quite deliberately because it is very difficult to follow— is that the existing turnover tax of 2½ percent will apparently be paid on the mark-up to the retailer which includes this wholesale tax and therefore we are going to be in the position of paying 2½ per cent turnover tax not merely on the cost of the goods themselves to the retailer but in addition the 1966 wholesale tax. How the Minister can suggest that that is fair or equitable, or going to inure to the permanent betterment of the economy, is another question.

I gather that the wholesale tax is not to include services. The Resolution appears to cover only goods and therefore services are completely exempt. There might be some justification for a tax of a certain kind on doodling or drawing caricatures of other people when one should be taking account for one's Minister of what is said and other such things but apparently the Resolution is so phrased that these services are left out.

The Minister also suggests that the effect of this tax would only be to increase the cost of living by half a point. I find it difficult to understand his calculation in that respect. The Consumer Price Index, the cost of living, which has gone up in the manner in which it has in the past year, cannot bear an increase of even half a point. In mid-May, 1965, when we were told by posters and in speeches that Lemass must lead on, we were not told that in the first year of his leading on, between mid-May, 1965 and May, 1966, the cost of living would increase by no fewer than five points, from 180 to 185 points, and that we have, in addition, another tax which, while it may increase the cost-of-living index figure by only half a point, will undoubtedly have the effect of increasing the price of the small comforts to which people have become accustomed and to which they were entitled to be accustomed before they had imposed on them this peculiar policy of Fianna Fáil which does not seem to know where it is travelling or exactly in what direction.

Apart from the effect of the wholesale tax itself, this Budget will have the effect of making the cost of distribution of goods substantially dearer because of the increase in the price of petrol. On the Second Reading of the Finance Bill, prior to the Presidential election, and before the exact details of the awfulness the Minister for Finance had in store for us were disclosed, I made some comments here about the cost of petrol as compared with the price of petrol in other countries. Premium petrol at that time was 5/10d a gallon. That was about the time the Budget was introduced in March. The price was reduced slightly by the companies since then. Then the Minister promptly ensured that the price would go back again.

As far as I can make out from the figures available to me in relation to other countries, we have now got almost one of the highest prices for petrol in any European country, Iron Curtain apart. I accept that in Poland the price of petrol is 7/2d a gallon. But who wants to go and live in Poland, behind the Iron Curtain? It may be dearer in Hungary, again behind the Iron Curtain. But we are dearer than Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia; we are dearer than East Germany; we are dearer than Austria; we are dearer than Belgium; we are dearer than Denmark; we are dearer than Finland. We are dearer than— Greece is higher than we are—West Germany, Holland, Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden, Spain and Switzerland. As far as I can find out, there are only three European countries which have as high a price for petrol as we have, Greece, France and Portugal. We are in the lamentable position of being the fourth highest petrol-cost country in Europe, with all that means in relation to increased costs in distribution and also with all it means as a deterrent on the tourist industry—the tourist industry which, God knows, will suffer enough this year as a result of the British seamen's strike.

I must confess that I was surprised that the estimate of the hotels' federation was that we would lose only £3 million. Perhaps what was meant was that we had already lost £3 million to date in our tourist industry as a result of the seamen's strike in Britain. Whether that is so or not, the increase in the price of petrol is a tragic blow to the tourist industry. There is no tourist relief. Of the countries that I have mentioned as being higher than Ireland, the only one of which I have any personal experience from the point of view of the price of petrol is France. There they have a system of tourist coupons. Of course, the Minister for Finance and the Government here could not possibly do anything that would be as progressive as that, and so the deterrent of high-cost petrol remains and is exaggerated further by this new Budget.

While these are the specific taxes, one must also look at this Budget in the context of the general picture. Before I do that, there are a few things I should like to mention. Deputy O'Leary talked about a capital gains tax. I have no fundamental theoretical disbelief in such a tax as a fair method, provided it is operated fairly, but one of the things that is crystal clear at the present time is that a capital gains tax, far from providing capital, would cost the Exchequer money. You cannot have a capital gains tax without, at the same time, providing allowances in income tax for capital losses. Anybody who knows anything about capital now knows that in the past year, for example, the Stock Exchange investment lists were down by about eight per cent and, far from a capital gains tax providing money, as Deputy O'Leary said, it would on the contrary cost the Exchequer substantial sums at the present time. In any event, apart from perhaps the appearance of inequality, we have not got here the large-scale extravagant capital gains that they may have in other countries and our anxiety here must be the overriding one of ensuring that we get not merely more capital into the country but that we get sufficient capital to be able to maintain the employment we have and to extend that employment.

When you consider that as our primary objective, as it must be, and when you consider the fact that the Exchequer would lose in present circumstances by the introduction of a capital gains tax, it is easy to see why the Minister turned his back on it, and he was quite right to do so. I must confess I cannot pay the same tribute to the Minister for the manner in which he presented his Budget last week. It was virtually impossible to follow, not merely when listening to him but also when reading his speech. It was impossible to know exactly what he wanted and where he was going to get it. He was jumping around all over the place. One moment he talked of what he wanted in a full year and the next minute, not giving any figure, he talked about what he would require for the remainder of the current year. Nowhere in his Budget Statement did he give any figure for the amount required in this financial year for increases to State servants. One was left to make one's own estimate on the figure he gave of £4 million in a full year and make a calculation as best one could. The calculation, by a process of subtraction, arrived at a figure of £2 million.

The Minister also failed to provide any tables, the kind of tables that usually accompany a Budget, showing the effect of the Budget. Again, it was left to Deputies to make up their own tables—not a very easy thing to do when the figures were jumbled about in the way they were. The Minister failed to provide any reason at all for the inclusion of the additional £100,000 for social welfare. He did not say how it arose. He did not say whether it arose, as I think it did, from bad estimation last March, or from some new service. If it arose from some new service, I am pretty certain he would have been bound to have mentioned it in excuse, but he failed to give the reason why. He merely said he wanted another £100,000, and I would suggest it was because he had mis-estimated the amount that would be necessary in March when introducing his Budget.

In relation to the Minister's Budget, on all sides and in relation to what flows from it, we are struck by extraordinary coincidences in dates, struck by the fact that the Presidential election took place on 1st June. Before that election, he announced he was going to pay more to State servants, but he did not announce until after the election the manner in which he intended to collect that payment. Before that election, he and the Minister for Justice announced that the Garda were to get substantial increases in salaries, but, again, it was not until the election was over that they were told the details of how that £500,000 for the Garda was to be collected.

It was before the election, before 1st June, that the Minister for Agriculture announced that farmers in the creamery areas and in the liquid milk area would get an extra 2d per gallon for their milk, but it was not until the election was over that the housewife had to pay the extra 3d per pound for her butter or that the details of the manner in which the Minister for Finance intended to raise the additional amount required were told to the people as a whole.

It was an extraordinary coincidence, too, that CIE, with the connivance and assistance of the Minister for Transport and Power, announced before the election that those who were employed by CIE were to get an increase in wages, but it was not until after the election that it was announced by that company that fares were to be increased. In fact, we could say quite truthfully that in relation to anything good that they could announce, they were quite prepared to make sure that they paid with the people's money to get their nominee home, and even then they succeeded only by the skin of their teeth.

We must consider this Budget also in connection with the general economic position. We are told constantly by the Minister who has just left that there is no shortage in relation to housing, that there is more housing being carried out this year than ever before. Let us have a look at Economic Series published on 14th June. In relation to private houses being built with State aid, that is to say, grant houses, Table 56 shows that in the first five months of 1965, January to May, 3,282 new houses were built by private persons and public utility societies. In the same five months of 1966, the number had dropped to 2,892, a drop of 390 houses, or approximately 12½ per cent.

In Table 57, we find that in relation to the number of houses for which reconstruction grants had been obtained, in the same first five months of the year, it dropped from 3,643 last year to 3,352 this year, a drop of 291 or roughly eight per cent. In regard to the total number of new houses built, which is only available for the first three months of the year—the figures for April and May are not given—we find a drop from 2,734 houses to 2,228, a drop of 506 houses in the first three months of the year, or in total house production, very nearly 25 per cent on this year's figures and 20 per cent on last year's figures. How, in the face of those figures published by the Statistics Office, the Minister for Local Government can come in here and say regularly, as he does, that there is no reduction in housing, beats me and must indeed be beyond the comprehension of any reasonable person.

Let us look at the position in regard to emigration. I know very well that the net passenger movement by sea and air is not a complete picture of the emigration problem. It is true to say that it is not always accurate, but it does show a trend. Tables 54 and 55—Table 55 for the first four months of the year and Table 54 for the first two months—show there is an increased trend in emigration this year. That is borne out by the Economic Research Institute when they referred to the very matter to which Deputy O'Leary referred, that is, the shortage of skilled labour, particularly in the metals, engineering and vehicles section of industry.

The latest industrial survey available from the Economic Research Institute is that which was made in April, 1966 and published a week or so ago. Anyone who looks at that and endeavours to analyse it cannot but be frightened by certain of the indices in it. Total manufacturing sales in the first quarter of this year compared with last year are down. Total manufacturing production in the first quarter of last year compared with the first quarter of this year is down. In the metals, engineering and vehicles industry, which is to a large extent part of our basic build-up for other goods, there is no less a figure than 60 per cent given of cases in which production is lower this year than last year. This is perhaps the worst of the whole lot.

We find also that, in the beginning of the second quarter, sales are lower than they were last year, that exports, I am glad to say, are on average higher, prices are higher, employment lower on average than last year, orders lower on average than last year, and the general opinion appears to be that we are not going to be able to get a norm of progress at all. We have an acknowledgement in this that in the metals, engineering and vehicle side of industry, in 71 per cent of cases they are able to obtain their skilled labour only with difficulty, that they can get only sufficient in the other 29 per cent and that nobody at all says they can get their skilled labour easily.

The Economic Research Institute goes further and says that, on its estimate, total sales in the first half of 1966 will be less than the total sales in the first half of 1965, that home sales will be less, that investment expenditure on plant and equipment will be less—that is one of the worst features of the whole lot—that whereas, in 36 per cent of cases, it will be higher, in 23 per cent of cases, it will be the same, but in 41 per cent of cases it will be lower and, unless we are to get proper investment in plant and equipment, we cannot hope, not alone to increase employment, but to maintain the employment we have, nor can there be any prospect whatever of increasing our standard of living.

The Economic Research Institute estimates that there will be less employment in the first half of 1966 than there was in the first half of 1965, and that in spite of the fact that it is not so many years since the Taoiseach gave vent to his grandiloquent and extravagant promise that if only he were allowed to lead on, he would provide 100,000 new jobs.

The sum total of it all is that the prognosis of the quantitative result for the whole of the calendar year 1966 is that production will go up by only two per cent this year compared with the norm we know we have to get if we are to succeed, not merely in achieving the target set by the Second Programme for Economic Expansion but to achieve a target reasonably good enough to be able to take our place with the other nations in Europe, should we be able to become a member of the European Economic Community. Indeed, that two per cent increase is accompanied by an estimate that production will be down by one per cent for the second quarter of 1966 as compared with the second quarter of 1965. That production estimate of two per cent increase is taken after we have taken account of an increase in our exports and, of course, there will be some increase in exports, thank goodness, this year.

I do not know where this new addition to our Budget will take us in relation to our social welfare proposals. It is a sorry reflection that, in the 1963 Budget, certain social welfare improvements were given, that, in the 1964 Budget, certain social welfare improvements were given, that, in the 1965 Budget, certain social welfare improvements were given but, in every single one of those years, the amount of the improvement was paid, not out of current revenue, but by borrowing. It is the first time in the history of this State that a Minister for Finance has so mismanaged his affairs—of course, it was not Deputy Lynch all the time; before him it was Dr. Ryan—that one can say that the amount of social welfare benefits has had to be met by borrowing out of the already far too scarce pool of capital. It is not that the people did not need the improvements they got. Of course, they did, with the way the cost of living was going up spiral-wise, thanks to the initiation by Dr. Ryan of his turnover tax in 1963.

Here are the details: the Budget of 1963 gave 2/6 a week to old age and other pensioners at a cost of £1,191,000, and gave an increase in public service pensions at a cost of £120,000, making a total to these two classes of £1,311,000. Unfortunately, in that year the Minister for Finance so failed to balance his Budget that he had a Budget deficit at the end of the year of more than that figure and had to provide that figure by borrowing and an addition to it, because his total deficit was £2,220,000.

In the 1964 Budget, the Minister for Finance at that time gave an increase of 2/6 a week to old age and other pensioners at a cost of £730,000 and gave an increase in public service pensions at a cost of £140,000, making a total of £870,000, but he did not get that £870,000 out of current revenue. No—he had a deficit of not merely that but of a sum of £4,070,000.

We come on to 1965. The Budget of 1965 gave an increase of a penny a gallon on milk at a cost of £400,000, an increase of 10/- a week to old age pensions and other pensions at a cost of £3,220,000 and an increase in public service pensions of £400,000, making a total of £4,020,000—apparent beneficence by the then Minister for Finance but, unfortunately, when it came to the end of his Budget there was a deficit not merely of that amount but of virtually double it, £8 million.

It is easy to be munificent with borrowed money but it brings its sad tale with it, and it is because Fianna Fáil Ministers for Finance in these three Budgets failed to do their job of seeing how their Budgets would balance that we are in part of our difficulties today.

In fact, the record of Fianna Fáil in relation to Budget deficits is something that has to be totted up to be believed. Let us take the past six years. In 1960-61, the Budget deficit was £730,000; in 1961-62, £710,000; in 1862-63, £4,850,000; in 1963-64, £2,220,000; in 1964-65, £4,070,000; in 1965-66, £8 million approximately—a total of £20 million in six years—£20 million which had to be borrowed and paid for over the next 30 years, as a result of the incompetence of Fianna Fáil—£20 million, which means that every child born in 1966 will have to pay for approximately 25 years of his life something in taxation to make up for that incompetence of Fianna Fáil over the past six years. Then they talk of Lemass leading on and of the economic improvements they have been able to make.

The fact, of course, is that this Government are bereft of control, bereft of ideas and do not know where they are travelling. The only records that the Government have been able to make are records that everybody would prefer not to make in his private life. They are endeavouring to curry support by an old maxim, statement, quotation—whatever word you like—of George Bernard Shaw, which was never so true as today, that is, that a government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of paul. They are even failing to get that support now.

We have the worst record in Europe for industrial disputes, a record of industrial disputes that has its inception and beginnings in the spiral initiated by the turnover tax of 1963. The Government have that worst record because of the manner in which they deliberately set their face against any effort to devise an incomes policy at an early stage and at the appropriate time. We have said before from these benches, and we shall continue to say, because it is true, that Fianna Fáil never think in terms of an incomes policy until the crisis is upon the nation and then it is too late, and it is not the time or the climate of opinion in which to get it through.

With regard to an incomes policy, the Taoiseach, speaking in Mullingar, made this categorical statement as reported in the Irish Press of 6th April, 1965:

We of Fianna Fáil do not believe that any system of this kind is workable. It has not been successfully operated in any country except in Communist countries. We are definitely against it. If we are in Government we will not apply it and if we are in Opposition we will oppose it strongly.

Later on last year the Taoiseach was reported in the Chamber of Commerce Journal as having said at a function of that body:

As regard an incomes policy there are some very vague ideas floating around, and a reiteration of this phrase by many people who seem only dimly to comprehend what it means. There is need to define precisely, and to promote understanding and acceptance of, what are the components of an incomes policy related to our circumstances.

In Mullingar, the Taoiseach said that an incomes policy had never been successfully operated in any country, except in Communist countries. Then he goes on to say:

An incomes policy is a fundamental requirement of continual economic growth, and it is also the foundation of a just social policy, which must involve a degree of income redistribution.

There he went very near the just society but checked himself in time. Again he says with regard to an incomes policy:

In a totalitarian regime it is imposed by government order: in a free democracy it has to be worked out by consultation and agreement. There are many aspects of a sound incomes policy which have yet to be settled, and careful consideration has to be given to the social objectives which should inspire it. These are tasks on which all who have responsibilities in this regard have now to embark.

How could the Taoiseach reconcile that statement with that he made in Mullingar when he said: "We of Fianna Fáil do not believe that any system of this kind is workable"? How can anybody hope to have any confidence in the leader of a Government and the leader of the country, and the present Taoiseach should be the leader of the country but he has abdicated that position both at home and abroad, who changes his mind so blatantly in the space of less than six months? At least I am glad of his conversion if it is a genuine conversion but I doubt it. The Taoiseach has dithered along and has done nothing and has given us good reason to doubt whether his is a real, genuine conversion.

I now go on to quote from a journal of 10th June, 1966, in which there is a photograph of Taoiseach Lemass and contains a heading: "These are the Men to Blame". They give various people to blame for the fact that Ireland is in a sorry mess and they say that in a mere 24 hours that week the typical Irish firm found itself: closed down by the ESB strike, penniless because of the bank strike, frustrated by the continuing delay in the docks and by the British seamen's strike and paperless because of the continuing closure at the paper mills, unable to get its internal telephone system fixed because of the picketing of the Standard Telephone offices. It says that holiday-minded executives found themselves unable to be sure of an air ticket because of two weeks strike notice by 1,500 Aer Lingus clerks.

Here is the answer they offer to the question why these men are to blame. They say that Deputy Lemass and his Government stood by through the critical months of the winter and did nothing save summon the occasional, ineffectual meeting; they say their industrial legislation has yet to appear and is too late to have any immediate effect, that fearful of upsetting an already touchy electorate, Deputy Lemass and his men fell backwards in all directions simultaneously in order to avoid losing a single vote for their candidate.

Is this paper an anonymous one?

This is not a journal that is by any means favourable to Fine Gael. On the contrary, Business and Finance News has given, every week in recent months, favourable comment to many members of Fianna Fáil and the Government. Now, apparently, they have seen the light.

I have already referred to the condition of the building industry, to the facts which are statistically there about the lesser number of houses being built with State aid. I have already referred to the loss to the tourist industry we are going to have this year, both by reason of the British seamen's strike and the additional impositions in this Budget. I have already referred to the capital stringency which has arisen from the unfavourable climate of opinion the Fianna Fáil Minister for Finance of that day brought in when he introduced the 1963 Finance Act and which was continued by the present Minister when, in his swaddling clothes as Minister for Finance, he allowed himself to consider narrow decisions rather than the broader viewpoint any Minister should concern himself with. I have already referred to the capital stringencies that arise because the Minister for Finance has been hogging to himself all the money available in the banks which should have gone to the development of private enterprise and which could be utilised in the development of our economy as it should have been.

I have referred to the fact that we are one of the four countries in the world in which, as the International Labour Organisation reported, the wages of our workers are lower than the wages of workers in other countries and one of the four countries in which the purchasing price of wages fell in 1966. We face the situation in which we have from the Leader of the Government the statement that taxation increases will go on. He said on television: "No, they will never end." Certainly, so far as this Budget is concerned, they do not end. In the past four years, taxation on incomes has gone up from £63 million to £92½ million and taxation on expenditure from £131 million to £180 million. The total increase in taxation is from £196 million to £285 million, an increase of 45 to 50 per cent. If the Minister wants to make it up more accurately, he is welcome to do so.

The amount in taxation, not merely in gross absolute terms but the amount of taxation taken on the percentage of the gross national product has gone up from 23½ per cent in 1963-64 to 26½ per cent this year. We are told by the Taoiseach that now it will never end, that it will go on and on. The increase in taxation this year over the amount raised in taxation last year is working out at about £32 million. The share of the increase in the gross national product which there may be this year on the Department of Finance Estimate is going to be 58½ per cent going to the Minister for Finance and only 41½ per cent left for those who make that increase.

Can we afford to see three-fifths of the increase in our gross national product being taken away by the grasping hand of a Minister for Finance? Can we afford to see that in this year alone taxes on income will have gone up by 15 per cent? Can we afford to see that taxes on expenditure will have risen by £18 million? Can we afford to see that total taxation will have risen in this year by £30 million or 12 per cent, that, in other words, where £1 was collected last year in taxation, another 2/6d will be taken out of the pockets of the people for the purpose which the Minister for Finance indicated? The burden of taxation as a percentage of production—and that is the important thing—will this year have risen by 12 per cent.

All those things are bad enough. All those are sufficient to make any self-respecting Minister for Finance and any self-respecting Government feel they should get out and offer the country and the people the alternative, if the country so desires, of choosing somebody else, but when one considers those things in the context I mentioned earlier, of the dishonest manner in which every benefit was announced to every class of the community before 1st June and the details of the impositions that were to come to pay for those benefits deliberately hidden by the Minister for Finance, the Minister for Transport and Power and the Minister for Agriculture until after 1st June—when one considers that dishonest method of attempting to bribe the people and that in spite of all that, they got their nominee home only by the shortest of short heads, it is sufficient reason why any self-respecting Government should get out and make way for a Government who could take control instead of continuing with loss of control, floundering on from day to day.

Is there any Fianna Fáil backbencher to support the Minister?

Whoever coined the description or phrase, "mini-Budget" to describe the Budget introduced this month by the Minister for Finance was being very kind to the Government and the Minister. There is nothing "mini" or midget-sized about the Minister's effort in his second Budget inside three months. In this Budget in a full year, the Minister proposes to raise in taxation roughly two-thirds again as much as he proposed to raise in new taxation in the Budget of last March. In every way, instead of being a mini-Budget, this is certainly a king-sized Budget, even for the Fianna Fáil (Republican) Party. It is a Budget that proposes to raise in taxation in a full year roughly two-thirds as much again as the Minister proposed to raise in what should have been his main or annual Budget, introduced last March.

The country is sick and tired of the present Government. They regard it, as we on these benches regard it, as fantastic that the Government cannot formulate a Budget for longer than a three-month period. We had the Budget last spring; we now have a summer Budget; and it may well be that the Government are setting the pattern of having seasonal Budgets, spring, summer, autumn and winter Budgets. It is certainly fantastic that a responsible Government should introduce their annual Budget in March and should come back three months later with a major Budget, another Budget to raise millions of pounds in new taxation. If any businessman or even any householder conducted his affairs in that way, he would be in the bankruptcy courts in no time, and very few of us—certainly very few on the Government benches—would have any sympathy with him because every businessman or individual householder has to budget according to his income. He cannot go along, as apparently the Government can, and bring in a Budget to raise new money every time he is short of money. He cannot go around, as apparently the Government can, "bumming" for money around the world from America to Canada, to Germany. That is the kind of Government we have had and which the Taoiseach had what I regard as the audacity to describe as "the finest team of Ministers any country could hope to have".

Inside three months, the Government found their Budget was unbalanced to the tune of £5 million. Deputy Sweetman gave some figures going back over the past half-dozen years or so to show how year after year Fianna Fáil Governments have failed to balance their Budgets, how they have deficits of varying amounts at the end of each of their financial years and how, in introducing his Budget in March last, the Minister had to disclose a deficit of £8 million. That was at the end of 12 months or so and apparently that is not too bad for a Fianna Fáil Government because inside three months he had a deficit again of £5 million and he comes along to raise new taxation to cover it.

It is no excuse for the Minister or any Government spokesman to say in this House that this money is required to meet the just demands of the farmers. If the farmers had, as I believe they had, a just claim and if they had a fair case, as I believe they have, their claim was just as fair and just as strong in March as in June and surely it was the duty of a responsible Government to listen to that claim in March and to cater for it when bringing in what should be their annual Budget last March. Judging by the speech of the Taoiseach on the Budget, I think the Government are very seriously misjudging the feelings of the people. The Budget introduced last March was in many ways unnecessary but it was tragically unnecessary so far as the additional taxation was concerned, unnecessary because of the obstinate refusal of the Fianna Fáil Party to listen to the advice given to them then from these benches or to heed the warnings that were given, and because they dismissed that advice and those warnings as simply prophecies of gloom, doom and despair. Instead of paying some attention to them, the Minister had to come into the House and throw himself on the mercy of the House and ask: "What went wrong with my last Budget?" What went wrong with the last Budget was that neither he nor his Party had the good judgement to listen to the advice they were given over the years from these benches and particularly, if I may say so, by Deputy Dillon.

The Taoiseach tells us that we have the finest team of Ministers that any country could hope to have. I think the people of the country, as well as Deputies, are entitled to look back, in a discussion of this sort, to see what the finest team of Ministers any country could hope to have, have given this country since they took up office little more than a year ago.

I do not think there are any Fianna Fáil Deputies in the House who will question the accuracy of anything I say. Is it not true that, since the general election, the finest team of Ministers any country could hope to have, have given this country as tight a credit squeeze as any country in the world has ever had? Is it not true that they have succeeded, in the short space of 12 months, in bringing about a situation in which credit is restricted, in which by reason of credit restrictions, business is restricted, in which people find it difficult to get money to build their houses or to carry out improvements and certainly a situation in which anything in the nature of business expansion has to go by the board or be postponed? That is one of the gifts to this country from the finest team of Ministers any country could hope to have.

What else have the finest team of Ministers any country could hope to have given to the country? In addition to the credit squeeze, we have had grave industrial strikes and industrial unrest in the country in the past 12 months. I do not believe for a minute that that industrial unrest had its birth merely in the past 12 months. Certainly, so far as some of the factors which gave rise to the industrial strikes and unrest are concerned, they date back many years.

As was pointed out here in connection with the ESB strike about six years ago, the situation which finally erupted in the ESB strike must have been known to the Government because we had a similar situation at that time and similar legislation was proposed. Yet, six years later, nothing effective had been done to settle the unrest or the dissatisfaction which existed there. Therefore, we have had the finest team of Ministers any country could hope to have giving us a credit squeeze in a situation of grave industrial unrest and giving us, during virtually the entire period since the general election, a very severe economic depression which culminated in the arrest of hundreds of decent farmers who came to Dublin to state their case to the Government and to the Minister. It was only when the farmers took a strong line, when many hundreds of them were arrested, and in the throes of an election where people were having an opportunity of voicing their approval or disapproval of the Government, that the Government decided to accede to those claims. As I have said before, if those claims were justified last week or the week before, they were certainly justified in March last. I seriously suggest to any Fianna Fáil Deputy in this House that it was the responsibility of the Government to take account of those claims and to deal with those claims in March last, rather than to introduce a second Budget to deal with them.

The situation which has now arisen is, as other speakers from these benches have pointed out, that with the cumulative effect of two Budgets in three months, we have now reached a level of taxation in this country which is eight per cent higher than the Government themselves proposed in their Second Programme for Economic Expansion for the period 1966-67. This was a programme which I think every Deputy in the Fianna Fáil Party probably believed quite sincerely to be the salvation of this country. It was a programme which led them to believe that this Government knew what they were about, knew what they would do, knew where they were going.

I think many Deputies in the Fianna Fáil Party, with absolute conviction, argued with the people outside church gates in the last general election that they should "Let Lemass Lead On" for the purpose of implementing the projections and proposals in the Second Programme for Economic Expansion. We now find, so far as the level of taxation is concerned, that we have already gone eight per cent higher than the projections in that programme. We are taking eight per cent more in taxation from the people than the Government proposed in that programme. Not only has the level of taxation gone eight per cent higher than was projected, but, at the same time as that has happened, the output is some two per cent lower than was laid down as the target in the Second Programme for Economic Expansion. When we add the increase in the level of taxation and the reduction in output, there is, effectively, an actual taxation burden of ten per cent higher on the people than was forecast by the Government in their Second Programme for Economic Expansion. In other words, for every £100 the Government said they would take from the people in taxation in 1966-67, they are, in fact, taking £110 from the people.

I said already that I believed this Government—I do not think it applies only to the members of the Cabinet; I think it applies also to a number of Fianna Fáil Deputies—seriously misjudged the depth of feeling aroused amongst the people by the actions and policies of this Government over the past 12 months. I know it is very easy for Opposition speakers to challenge the Government to go to the country. But it is even easier for a Taoiseach with a majority behind him in this House to answer that by saying: "We are not going to the country until 1970", or whatever it is. He backed up that argument of course by counting heads and saying: "We have more votes inside the House than you have" But if Deputies opposite think on the position seriously, they will agree that in the long run it is not good either for themselves or the country that a Government who have so clearly aroused such strong feelings amongst the electorate, have so clearly lost the confidence of the people, should carry on in those circumstances as a Government.

It is true that the Government cannot be defeated in this House by virtue of the number of seats they now hold. My personal belief is that, if Fianna Fáil persist in holding on to office, despite the feeling they have aroused amongst the people, it will only mean that they will fare very much worse in the long run than if they decided to take the plunge, go to the country now and let the people pass judgment on them.

I believe that one of the principal reasons the people feel so strongly— I would invite any Fianna Fáil Deputy to test out what I am saying by consulting his constituents—is that the ordinary people in the country felt right through the last general election that they did not get adequate warning from the Government of the difficulties facing the people. In fact—I quoted this before but I will refer to it again—going into the last general election, in what must have been the first television programme of the Fianna Fáil Party in that election, the Taoiseach said that the tide of Irish affairs had reached a flood and declared, as reported in the Irish Independent of 19th March, 1965:

We must sail out capably to new horizons declared the Taoiseach, Mr. Lemass, in a telecast last night. Paraphrasing Shakespeare, he said: "There comes a time in the affairs of every nation which must be taken at the flood. The tide is with us now. It is at the flood and we must not leave the ship of State in the harbour to people who don't know how to operate it and would not know where to take it."

That was in March, 1965, just a year before the Minister for Finance introduced his March Budget.

How different is the picture today. The Taoiseach intervened in this debate on Wednesday last, 15th June. There was no talk then about the tide being with them; there was no talk about sailing out capably to new horizons. On Wednesday last, there was no question of the kind of picture the Taoiseach must have presented to the people in his telecast. Instead we had the Taoiseach virtually crying out for help. At column 576 of the Official Report for that day, he refers to the difficulties of the country's tax system and goes on to say:

If we are to succeed in getting the country over this difficult patch through which it is now passing and going ahead again, going ahead as strongly as before, then we will need a great deal of understanding of the nature of our present problems and the way out of these problems, both from the leaders of business and from the trade unions and, indeed, require not merely their understanding of the nature of our problems and the solution of them but their active co-operation in working out the solutions.

Not merely did he cry out to the leaders of business and the trade unions for a helping hand to the Government in the mess in which they have got themselves and the country, but he even looked across the House and sought support from the Parties opposite. As column 579, he was referring principally, I think, to the problems of unemployment, and he said:

This problem can be solved only by the assiduous application of the minds of Members of this House to the various solutions that are possible and the preparation by the Government of the plans which derive from that consideration to which we all can, I hope, give adequate support to secure their implementation

Here we are 12 months after the Fianna Fáil Government have been re-elected to office, 12 months after the Taoiseach was speaking of sailing out capably to new horizons, 12 months after the Taoiseach had warned the people, according to the Sunday Independent of 4th April, 1965, that:

The only prospect now in sight of future difficulty and of a slowing down of the momentum of the nation's advance would be a temporary interruption of the Government leadership by reason of an interlude of ineffective minority Government.

Twelve months after all that kind of talk was indulged in, we have a period of severe difficulties, to put it at its mildest. We have a period which culminates in the Taoiseach coming into the House and crying out for help from the leaders of trade unions and from the Opposition Parties.

It is true to say for all political Parties in this State, and I think I can certainly make the claim for the Party I have the honour to represent that, as far as this State is concerned and as far as the economy is concerned, we will do our best to see that this country comes out of its difficulties. We will do our best to demonstrate not only in this House but in the country that we have confidence in the basic soundness of the country's economy, in the ability of this country to survive, even to survive such a period as it has gone through under one of the finest teams of Ministers any country could hope to have, in the words of the Taoiseach. However, the fact that that is our attitude in relation to the country and to the economy should not be taken as meaning that we in any way intend pulling our punches in dealing with this Government and it should not be taken as indicating that we have even the smallest degree of confidence in this Government, or that we agree with the policies they are pursuing.

The Taoiseach in his speech here last week warned that we would have a fight on our hands. That may be true, although I doubt it. So far as I can judge, in any event, this Government do not seem to have any stomach at all at the moment for fighting. They are not giving any evidence that they are fit to put up a fight, either a political fight or any other fight, but if they have a fight on their hands, their fight is going to be to convince the people that they are fit to continue as a Government, a fight which I do not think they will win.

I have listened to Jekyll and Hyde and I never heard such dishonest talk as I heard in the last two speeches. I do not know whether Deputy Sweetman is the shadow Minister for Finance or whether Deputy T.F. O'Higgins is shadow Minister for Finance. Apparently in view of Deputy O'Higgins's failure to become President, Deputy Sweetman has taken over his job. He named the deficits which we have had in the past four or five years and said that all these deficits had been met by borrowing and he painted a harrowing picture of the children 30 years hence who will be repaying this revenue debt that we met by borrowing. He knows well that that is wrong. We met last year's deficit of £8 million by additional taxation. For an ex-Minister for Finance to say that we met our deficits by borrowing is wrong.

It happens to be perfectly accurate.

What I said is accurate. Deputy Sweetman made that statement——

You borrowed £8 million.

We did not. It was met by extra taxation.

Eight million pounds was borrowed.

The Minister will deal with that in his own way.

Order. Deputy Lenihan is in possession.

I am in possession and I intend to remain in possession. I should like to ask, if you had got in in 1965, what would you have done? I know well what——

I think the Ceann Comhairle was in then.

(Cavan): Cleaned up the mess.

But how would you have cleaned up the mess?

Will the Deputy please use the third person?

I am sorry. I have heard no suggestion as to what they would have done. Not one suggestion has come from that side. We hear enough about the sins of Fianna Fáil. We have been blamed for the credit restriction but everybody knows that there is credit restriction all over Europe. There is a drop in production in Germany and Belgium is feeling the pinch. There is a restriction on the export of capital from every European country, as well as from the United States. It is something which often happens after a period of great expansion. It is quite common and you take steps, and this Government have taken steps to prevent it. I wonder what the other fellows would have done?

We have been blamed for industrial unrest but how can you blame any Government for industrial unrest when it has set up all the different necessary organs to deal with it? We have the Labour Court and conciliation arrangements and industrial councils. All of these were set up under the Industrial Relations Act and until all those have been tried, a Government would not intervene. I hope that whatever industrial legislation will be introduced it will strengthen these existing arrangements. A Government do not intervene except in a case of crisis, like the ESB crisis. To say that the Government should have anticipated the ESB crisis——

(Cavan): Could the Deputy say why we are having a Minister for Labour?

It is a very good idea. I hope we get better industrial legislation in consequence, but with the existing legislation the Government could do no more. The only thing you could blame us for was the bad weather in spring and the British seamen's strike. Indeed, one Deputy almost blamed us for that strike. It may affect our balance of payments and it will mean a great loss to the tourist trade and I could almost detect a note of gladness that it was happening.

The Minister for Finance has been accused of dishonesty for not bringing in his mini-Budget in March. Was the Minister for Finance to anticipate the unformulated demands of the farmers? Was he to anticipate one of the worst acreages, from the farming point of view, we had in history? Was he to concede the £1 increase before it was decided on? Was he to anticipate all those things and include them in his Budget of March? He solemnly warned the House that he would be bringing in a second Budget and possibly he brought it in sooner than was anticipated. It was brought in to meet the £1 increase to State employees. No Deputies object to that? It was also brought in to pay the farmers. We saw Deputy O'Higgins shedding tears over the farmer. How is this to be paid except by taxation? That was why the mini-Budget——

It depends on your view. I have heard no constituent of mine complaining. What does a man who is earning £16 a week and who has a wife and two children pay in income tax? Not a penny. A man with a wife and two children who is earning £1,200 a year pays something like £70 to £90, or about 7½ per cent.

Reference was made to the selective tax but that hurts nobody except those who wish to purchase these articles. My point is that the mini-Budget had to be brought in to fulfil the obligations to farmers and State employees who are getting the £1 per week increase. The Minister should not have been expected to anticipate those in his major Budget.

What is the £5 million to be charged on?

I did not hear the question.

The Deputy is talking about the mini-Budget and £5 million is to be raised on the sales tax in it. What is it to be charged on?

That is set out in the Financial Resolution.

If it is, I do not see it.

Fine Gael charged——

Will the Deputy not answer my question?

——the Minister with budgeting for a surplus. I said earlier, before Deputy Dillon came in, that inflation is not only to be found in Ireland but all over Europe. We have had this credit restriction following a period of expanding. I do not like bringing politics into an economics debate but we have had nothing but politics from the Opposition. We have been accused of not putting up a fight but the facts are well known, and we put up a fight in the Presidential election and the total vote for Fianna Fáil was greater than all the other votes, for the whole Coalition. Despite the milk trouble, the farmers were quite sound.

(Cavan): Your majority fell by 110,000.

We beat the combined forces of the others. We had plenty of fight.

(Cavan): If you have a fight in you, hold the local government elections.

We are looking forward to them next year.

(Cavan): Hold them this year.

We are looking forward to the election of the chairman of Westmeath County Council too. We have many mini-victories to look forward to.

(Interruptions.)

I will leave the histrionics to Deputy Dillon—at least he is not Janus-faced like some other speakers.

These were the only possible deflationary measures to handle the situation, a situation not of our own making. The Opposition say that the country is sound, that its economy is sound, but, but, but——

I said it was bust.

And Deputy Dillon's colleagues on the Front Bench, which he occupied up to lately, say the country is sound. How, in the name of Providence, can one reconcile these two viewpoints—bust and in a sound state? No wonder I talk about Jekyll and Hyde and two-faced Januses, with one saying one thing and another saying another.

It is amusing to hear people like Deputy Lenihan making reference to the credit squeeze and saying that the credit squeeze is not the responsibility of Fianna Fáil, as much as to say that the credit squeeze has been brought upon us by outside influences. Deputy Lenihan will, I am sure, be man enough and courageous enough to admit that, in 1956, when the balance of payments problem called for action here, and when it was aggravated by the Suez crisis, which was certainly an influence from outside, Deputy Lenihan and every Fianna Fáil supporter pointed their finger at the Government of the day and accused Deputy Sweetman and the inter-Party Government of being responsible.

The Deputy has to go far away to Suez for an excuse.

The Minister had to go to the Eskimos of Nova Scotia looking for money.

(Interruptions.)

The Government elected by the people are responsible and this display of cowardice on the part of the Government, holding outside sources responsible for their mishandling and bad management, is not worthy of a responsible Government.

What about Suez?

(Interruptions.)

Order. May we hear Deputy Flanagan now?

Fianna Fáil have got the country into a mess. They have done that with their eyes open. They know now they have the country in a mess, a mess they cannot get it out of, and they know very well they have the people confused and business practically at a standstill. But nobody is more confused than the Ministers themselves who do not know where they are going.

(Interruptions.)

Even more confused than the Ministers, if that is possible, are the Deputies of the Fianna Fáil Party who have no idea whatsoever what is going on. I challenge any Deputy to tell me if he remembers the headlines in the newspapers Take, for example, the Irish Independent of 10th March, 1966, in which we see in black leaded type: Up Income Tax, Motor Tax, Beer and Spirits, Petrol and Diesel Oil, Cigarettes. That Budget was described as the “all-take” Budget.

(Interruptions.)

If the two Deputies wish to have a conversation, let them go outside and have it, not in here.

On 15th June, three months later, we have the same block capitals; this time it reads "Dearer Petrol, Dearer Cigarettes, New Selective Sales Tax, New Five per cent Selective Tax on Non-essential Goods, Price of Petrol up by 2d a Gallon, Price of Cigarettes up by a further 2d on Twenty".

It has been pointed out that any responsible Government budgets from year to year. The best we can get now from Fianna Fáil, the best their collective effort can produce, is a Budget for three months. The best they can do is to budget from March to June. What guarantee have we that we will not have Budgets now following the seasons of the year—a spring Budget, a summer Budget, an autumn Budget and a winter Budget? We have already had two Budgets this year.

Fianna Fáil must take full responsibility for the present position of the country and every Deputy who sits behind the Fianna Fáil Front Bench and who votes for these taxes must shoulder the responsibility for those taxes. Surely the Government must realise that their efforts, and their efforts alone, are driving the cost of living higher and higher? When Deputy Lenihan was speaking, and presenting us with a chapter from history, I thought he would bring his mind back to the root cause of all our ills. Can he, or any other Fianna Fáil Deputy, deny that the financial and economic difficulties from which this country now suffers were the sole making and sole responsibility of Fianna Fáil as a result of their efforts to remain in office? Is it not common knowledge—this was revealed in the recent Presidential election—that the start of all our difficulties was the price that had to be paid for the Cork city and Kildare by-elections?

Hear, hear.

Had the un fortunate by-elections in Cork city and Kildare not arisen, I doubt if this country would be in the plight in which it is today. At that time Fianna Fáil saw the ground slipping from under them. They had been rejected in one of the principal Dublin constituencies and, in order to save themselves, in order to hang on to office, they made an attempt—a successful attempt—to purchase the votes of the people of Cork and Kildare. This country is today paying the price of that purchase. Those two by-elections were the most expensive, and the most tragic, by-elections that ever took place in this country. As a result of those by-elections, we have today a very serious situation. The country has never experienced so many strikes. There is a wave of unemployment. In towns in rural Ireland. labour exchanges have had to extend their hours of opening. I never remember so many unemployed as there are in the midlands today.

(Interruptions.)

I never remember such queues outside the labour exchanges in Carlow, Athy, Birr, Tullamore, Portarlington, Portlaoise and Mountmellick. I cannot speak for Galway.

(Interruptions.)

I cannot speak for Wexford, but I can assure Deputies from Galway and Wexford that the labour exchanges in my constituency at the moment are the busiest offices in the constituency. As far as 1956 is concerned, I challenge any Deputy to deny that there is more unemployment in the midlands today than there was in 1956, or in any other year. The figures and the facts are there.

Let the Deputy quote the figures.

And the queues are there of people who cannot get a day's work. I can assure Deputies like Deputy Molloy and Deputy Allen that it was much easier to live in 1956 than it is today. There was a lower cost of living and houses were being provided for the people. There were so many houses available in the city of Dublin in 1956 that tenants could not be found for them.

They had all emigrated.

I challenge Deputy Molloy and Deputy Allen to find one vacant house in the city of Dublin tonight.

Will Deputies allow Deputy Flanagan to speak?

I challenge Deputy Molloy and Deputy Allen on this also: there were more people in employment in 1956 than there are today.

What about the people who were unemployed?

If the Deputies will not cease interrupting, I shall ask them to leave the House.

These Deputies are only helping me to make the speech.

I would ask Deputy Flanagan to address the Chair.

It would be a shame not to let their education proceed, they are so young and simple.

And willing to learn.

It is only right that young Deputies like the Deputies who are now agitating should know the facts before they speak.

Hear, hear.

The facts are these: No Irish Government, to my knowledge, except Fianna Fáil, ever hawked the credit of this country around the world. Can anyone picture the head of a government who says he has the best team of Ministers behind him any Prime Minister in any part of the world could have, or picture a team of Ministers having to be responsible for begging all over the world, from Germany and from the United States, and then skipping into the Bank of Nova Scotia to see what they could get there? The only suggestion that comes from Fianna Fáil is that there should be more patriots in the country prepared to put their hands in their pockets and put 6d in a tin can so that Deputy Burke can save the country.

Where did the Marshall Aid go?

We all heard Deputy Burke make that plea on behalf of Fianna Fáil. I cannot understand how Deputy Molloy and Deputy Allen cannot see that this country must be on the very verge of bankruptcy——

That is the way the Deputy would like to see it.

——when Fianna Fáil have to borrow from Germany and Canada and have to make plans to borrow in other parts of the world where the doors were slammed in their teeth——

It would not be the first time the Deputy made an irresponsible statement.

The only suggestion that comes from Fianna Fáil is to drop 6d into a tin can to save the country from disaster. Anyone who would have confidence in a Government of that kind would want to be medically examined.

Deputy Burke is not in the Government.

That is a blessing in any case. We shall pass a unanimous vote of thanks to the Fianna Fáil Party for that. But you would never know what might happen after the reshuffle. I saw him moving over there recently.

Deputy Dillon should allow Deputy Flanagan to continue his speech.

Would it not be lovely to see Deputy Burke in the Government?

The ordinary rank and file of this country now find themselves in the most difficult position possible. Is it not true to say that apart entirely from the industrial unrest, the unrest to be found in the trade unions, there are many small shopkeepers closing down, being put out of business? Is it not correct to say that those who are living on fixed incomes, retired pensioners, retired local authority officials, retired civil servants, who have got no increases whatever to meet the high and very severe increase in the cost of living, are put to the pin of their collar to eke out an existence at the present time?

You would not vote for extra taxation, even if we gave them increases.

That is what the Taoiseach said in 1956.

Is it not extraordinary that the very best Fianna Fáil can do for old age pensioners is to give them 2/6 at the end of the present year?

You cut it by 1/-

Who took 1/-off?

The Deputy's Party.

I am 23 years in this House this very day, and certainly in my time in this House—and looking around, with the exception of Deputy Dillon, I think I am the longest serving member in this Chamber at the moment—I do not remember any shilling being taken off the old age pensioners.

You took 6d from them in 1956.

What happened?

You gave them 6d a week in 1955.

Go away out of that.

They got 7/6 in three years.

What three years?

1948 to 1951.

Deputy Dillon cannot listen any longer.

I shall leave it to Deputy Flanagan. He is more than a match for the whole lot of you.

The position is that the old age pensioners, the widows and orphans, the lame, the blind and the sick and the unemployed are on the verge of starvation. In relation to the sick, I would remind the House that it was Deputy T. F. O'Higgins who brought in the disablement benefits which had never been thought of by Fianna Fáil. The first time children's allowances were mentioned in this House was on a debate on a motion by Deputy Dillon asking for family allowances which put the idea into the heads of the Government. A Government in office for 32 out of 40 years must do some good some time. They cannot do bad the whole time.

In addition to what I have said, we find that agriculture is in its most depressed condition since the State was founded. Reference has been made to taxation imposed this year and here we can see the additional taxation contained in what has been described as a mini-Budget. I do not see anything "mini" about it. The Budget of last year was described as a savage Budget and, in my opinion, this supplementary Budget, which has been described as a mini-Budget, is as savage as the one passed through the House three months ago.

We have in this country today, thanks to Fianna Fáil, the most expensive motoring in the world. This has already been referred to in a statement made by Mr. Prole, Secretary of the Irish Motor Traders Association, who said that the effect of the supplementary Budget was that the tax on a gallon of premium petrol would now be approximately 3/11. A spokesman for Esso said he was disappointed to see that the efforts of his company to reduce petrol prices should be overtaken by new taxation. A spokesman for Irish Shell and BP said:

We are disappointed that the decreases we applied within the last week have now been nullified by this Budget.

The petrol companies reduced the price of petrol and within a week or ten days Fianna Fáil, in their supplementary Budget, again increased the price to the consumer, and that after the savage increase in the road tax which we had earlier this year.

We also find that this Budget has made the usual raid on beer and spirits. The distilling industry has been seriously perturbed as result of this Budget and I would like to make a case for those engaged in the licensed trade who must now be practically out of business. It is only a few weeks since the Government endeavoured to prevent the publicans increasing the price of drink. They made it an offence for any publican to increase his prices but when the publicans were not allowed to do it, the Government came along and increased it twice in the course of a few months.

Not this time.

The last tax imposed on spirits has been responsible for driving those engaged in the licensed trade out of business. Everybody knows that in the licensed trade, there is now less employment and less business. Ask any of the publicans in the large provincial towns and they will have to admit that it is only on two or three afternoons of each week that they find any rush of business.

This supplementary Budget inflicts great hardship on our people because everything appears to be at a standstill. Works of importance such as drainage schemes and housing are at a standstill and our health services are not up to the standard that they should be. There have been restrictions and reductions in Army expenditure. There has been a reduction in relation to the Local Defence Force; certain economies have been made in CIE; and there is a general all round atmosphere of depression.

There is only one way in which this can be brought to a halt, that is, a change of Government. That is the only solution to our problems. The people are beginning to realise that as long as Fianna Fáil remain in office, they are going to be faced with continuously increasing taxation. The Government have publicly admitted that they are not going to try to call a halt to taxation. The Taoiseach has said that there is no prospect of an end to new taxation. Now the people see that the only solution to their present serious problems is a change of Government. As Deputy O'Higgins has already pointed out, the Government are afraid to face the electorate. If they say that the country is passing through a financial crisis, they should be honest and tell the people that they have done what they could and cannot possibly do any better. Having deliberately caused a situation in which the cost of living has increased, unemployment has been created and the people have been deprived of the standard of living to which they are entitled, the fairest thing for the Government to do now is to resign. That plea has been made by many Opposition Deputies, and when the time comes, the electorate will have no hesitation in putting the Government out of office for all time because that would appear to be the only hope they have of getting relief from these half-yearly or quarterly Budgets which appear to be the order of the day so far as Fianna Fáil are concerned.

This mini-Budget, as it has been described, is disastrous. It will have a very serious effect on the country. It will increase the cost of living. The trade union movement will most certainly take steps to see that, if the cost of living increases, wages of workers will be increased accordingly.

Fianna Fáil have failed miserably in their responsibility to the country. Any honest Government, realising that they had failed, would get out of office and leave it to the alternative Government to put this country back on the road to economic progress. I am satisfied that our Party can and will form the Government after the next general election. When we take office, we will most certainly apply suitable remedies for the difficulties which Fianna Fáil have deliberately created and will do everything in our power to safeguard the people from the savage attacks and raids that have been made on their pockets by Fianna Fáil. The sooner, therefore, there is a general election, the better for all of us.

For the past week or so, we have heard here quite an amount of scandal-mongering and character assassination carried on by members of the Opposition. I was ashamed the other day when I had a number of visitors in the Gallery to hear Deputy Flanagan and Deputy Seán Dunne of the Labour Party carrying on that type of political nonsense that can only reduce the proceedings of the House to a farce.

Deputy Dunne never says anything in this House which cannot be said outside the House. Be sure of that.

I will deal with that in a moment. The sight of Fine Gael and Labour marching arm in arm into the Division Lobby is an indication of things to come. They are all the one. There is no question about that. They were all the one before and will be in future.

They were not all the one on the ESB Bill.

We are providing money now to improve farm incomes. That subject was discussed by a considerable number of Fine Gael and Labour Deputies. Fourteen Fine Gael Deputies and ten Labour Deputies participated in the discussions. Many salty tears were shed by Members on the Opposition benches about unfortunate farmers and their low incomes. When we sought the money to make additional income available to farmers, the Parties who cried so long and so loud voted against the unfortunate farmers. There is no doubt that this was a gimmick by the Fine Gael Party to try to win votes in the Presidential election.

Does the Deputy not know that the Presidential election is completely devoid of politics?

In the election campaign they spoke of the unfortunate farmers not being able to exist on what they were getting.

There are no farmers in the Dublin city constituencies.

When the Minister for Agriculture was prepared to give additional income to the farmers and brought in a measure to carry out the promise that had been made, Fine Gael and Labour voted against it.

We will make sure, despite the opposition of Fine Gael and Labour, that the lower-paid workers will get some improvement. Provision is made here for the payment of £1 to men and 15/- to women, lower-paid workers in Government employment.

You said they could not get more than three per cent.

Whatever the provisions of the Budget may be, we will support those provisions in order to make that money available. It is deplorable that the Labour Party should stab the lower-paid workers in the back—the people in the Forestry Division, the Board of Works and in the Department of Posts and Telegraphs, who will be getting the £1 and 15/- increase.

And the ESB.

The Labour Party voted against the necessary provisions to make that money available to the workers. It is terrible to think that Fine Gael and Labour should march arm in arm into the Division Lobby to do that. One is no better or worse than the other. The policy is well known. Their past is well known. It is not the first time they stabbed the workers in the back. In my constituency we know what happened in 1948.

1947—the wages standstill.

The workshop in Inchicore was closed down. The transatlantic air service was sabotaged by Fine Gael and Labour.

(Interruptions.)

Deputy Treacy spoke for over an hour without interruption.

There was backstabbing of the workers by this gentleman's Party.

If Deputy Treacy cannot behave himself, I will ask him to leave the House. The Deputy has spoken at length without interruption.

It is very difficult to restrain oneself in face of this hypocritical provocation.

Government Deputies are also entitled to speak without interruption.

When some of the Labour Deputies go back to their respective constituencies and meet farm workers depending on an increase as a result of the increase in farm incomes and meet Government employees in the Forestry Division and in the Post Office, what will they tell them? They talk about the hardships of this Budget. They will not tell them that they stabbed them in the back by voting against the necessary provision.

I am glad to say that we will provide the money to meet whatever commitments we made. This is a commitment. We can assure the workers of this city and of the country that when we make a commitment, we fulfil it and vote the necessary money. We can meet them, however unpleasant or difficult the position may be. We can justify it on the basis that we are supporting the lower-paid workers and also that we are supporting the farming community as was promised by the Minister for Agriculture and the Government. The Presidential election has been mentioned on many occasions in this debate. We had a balloon race in Cork.

That was in Limerick.

They gave balloons to the little children to take home to their mothers and fathers, full of hot air. It was not the first occasion. Then you had the jazz bands down there and when you came back here, Deputy Cosgrave got them together and formed another jazz band, the "Young Shadows."

(Interruptions.)

We know the situation throughout the country. We have heard a lot about social services. Without a shadow of doubt, any aids given to the workers and any legislation brought in to assist them were brought in by Fianna Fáil—children's allowances, widows' and orphans' pensions, old age pensions increases, contributory and non-contributory. What happened when the inter-Party Government were in power? In six years between them, they gave 5/-, 10d a year. It was a tenpenny Government. We do not want that any more. Now they are cribbing because we are giving 5/-. It is unfortunate that the Labour Party has to align itself with Fine Gael but we know the position.

You will know it better after the next election.

The Deputy can say that again. We are aware of the situation. We were treated the other day to Deputy Dunne's paper chase. He went around throwing out a sheet of figures. One item was the rent paid by a person living in a corporation house which he did not seem to know even though he represents the Dublin area. It was erroneous to the extent of 3/6d. I am sure if we looked into the other figures we would find quite a number of loopholes also.

The ESB situation has been mentioned. We are not afraid to deal with these things. Does Deputy Tully want to know about the merits of the fitters' case?

I know all about it.

What about the Government's desire to see the innocent children in incubators protected, the people in hospital protected and the 200,000 workers protected?

(Interruptions.)

We know that on the first day when the power was cut, nurses were running around this city with hot water bottles——

That is all cod and the Deputy knows it.

It is not cod. We know there was one man on the verge of an operation——

That is untrue.

It could have meant the man's life.

That is untrue.

Is it not a fact that there was adequate power but that the Minister for Transport and Power cut off the power to precipitate the situation?

That man was not near the power stations at all.

He said he came home in time.

He was in America when the first one took place.

We were protecting the lives of the citizens and whenever legislation is necessary for that purpose we will introduce it.

That is a change.

We protected 200,000 of them.

You put a standstill order on them.

(Interruptions.)

According to the Labour Party, it does not make any difference that people should be sentenced to death by some group or other. The Labour Party will stand over that.

We stand over everything we ever did.

That is why you are so small in number.

That is why we are here so long.

If it is the merits of the claim you want to discuss, I can do that also.

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, is Deputy Dowling making a speech or does he want us to tell him what to say?

Let him tell us about Deputy Burke's tin can.

I shall tell you about the "Young Shadows" and no substance.

(Interruptions.)

There is no need to discuss further the advances in social services that have taken place and the measures necessary to finance them. We shall do the same again whenever it is necessary. We shall do it on this occasion in order to meet the commitments to the farmers, the Garda and the lower-paid workers. I hope this stab in the back to the workers by the Fine Gael Party and the Labour Party combined in voting against the necessary provisions to make money available does not mean that they do not want the workers to get the £1 a week——

None of the lowerpaid workers have got it yet.

The money may not be there if you vote against it.

£67 a week to Dr. Andrews.

We shall deal with that man also in a moment.

I should love to be present.

In spite of the two Parties together, the money will be made available and the workers will be paid.

People cannot get grants for houses.

That is not so.

We have listened to that story long enough.

(Interruptions.)

It seems unfair that five or six Deputies should continue to interrupt the speaker.

He is enjoying it.

He is going to divide the money they got from the Eskimos.

He told us he was going to deal with Dr. Andrews.

Deputy Flanagan has spoken at length and should allow Deputy Dowling to make his speech.

We got a lot of money from foreigners from time to time, from Germans, Turks and Egyptians.

You could not get it from the Americans.

When the inter-Party Government went to get it from the Irish people, they were refused.

You cannot get it from them now.

In order to get the money we require, we are prepared to go and look for it.

Anywhere.

We do not have to sell the necessary means of employment for workers and send them packing to Asia, Africa and Australia. If the Opposition Parties were in power today, the Boeings would be gone, like the Constellations.

(Interruptions.)

Will the Deputies please cease interrupting?

I said I would not delay the House.

What about Dr. Andrews?

He is a responsible man. He was subjected here to a type of vilification which I suppose was never known in this House before.

He is well paid for it.

A type of character assassination was carried out as was done in the past. Casement was subjected to the same thing. There are no answers now. Efforts were made to denigrate responsible Irishmen before. Any Irishman who made any advance was denigrated by members of the Party opposite, any great Irishman.

What about those who were not Irishmen?

We have heard some of what was dished out during the general election.

By Deputy MacEntee and Deputy Boland.

We have heard scurrilous statements but they will not get you anywhere.

Deputy MacEntee and Deputy Boland were a disgrace.

Will Deputy L'Estrange and Deputy Molloy please restrain themselves?

Fianna Fáil should have restrained themselves during the Presidential election.

You got your answer.

In Dublin, and in style.

What Dublin does today, Ireland does tomorrow.

Deputy Dowling made a very bad case for that big pension for Mr. Andrews.

I did not. It is only a few years since Mr. Courtney got the same type of handshake as you people are talking about.

£8,000 gratuity.

As a matter of fact, the necessary power to provide that money was initiated by you people.

You have no answer to that.

He was a qualified man.

These savage attacks on a responsible person will have to stop. I am quite sure that when the public at large come to read the type of tripe dished up here by Deputy O. J. Flanagan, they will be disgusted. I was appalled to listen to him the other day. Reading back over some of the debates, maybe I had not cause to be so appalled after all because it seems to be his way of life. Those who exist in slime will, in time, slip on it.

It is a case of the bandy-legged boy calling everybody else bandy-legged.

To conclude, I say again that we here will provide the necessary means, the necessary finance, to ensure that the workers in Government employment, whether in the Forestry Branch, in the Post Office, in the Office of Public Works or elsewhere, will get their £1 a week increase; that the women who work in the Government service will get their 15/- and that the Ushers in the Dáil will get their increase.

They have not got it, yet.

How will you people face the members of your trade unions and the people you say you represent? You do not represent the workers: you represent yourselves and well you know it. You stabbed the workers in the back. We will ensure that the workers will get the necessary increases, despite the opposition of the Fine Gael Party and the Labour Party.

We got four times as many votes as you. You did not get enough votes to elect you on the committee of a football club.

It is a very bad case for Mr. Andrews. I am still not impressed.

I shall not take the last speaker to task because no doubt if I were in the same predicament as he finds himself in at the moment—having to defend not one but two Budgets —I should probably make a bigger hash of it than he did, and so I have a certain amount of sympathy with Deputy Dowling.

Crocodile tears.

Keep quiet.

We must keep quiet and you must be allowed to speak without interruption: is that the idea?

The Taoiseach interrupted me continuously during my speech the other day. If it is allowed on one side of the House, then it must be allowed on the other.

It always comes from your side.

If the Taoiseach does it, then I submit that others can also.

Perhaps Deputy Tully will cease interrupting?

Everybody is interrupting.

Give Deputy Molloy something to play with. Let him go off and play ball.

I am putting you off your stride.

He will grow up to be a good man yet——

Before he is 84.

——but it will take a long time.

Since this Government came into office in 1957, many things have happened. I feel that the financial circumstances prevailing in the country are directly the responsibility of this administration for the following reasons: (1) Deputy Seán Lemass, as Tánaiste of a Fianna Fáil Party, made a promise of 100,000 new jobs in 1957 and got control of a Government; (2) he got control of that Government by pledging to the Irish people that, if elected, he would not remove the food subsidies but immediately he got into power he removed them, and that was the beginning of the spur which we now call the credit squeeze; (3) he introduced the turnover tax; and (4) he gave a 12 per cent increase to workers plus status claims to higher-paid civil servants in many cases up to £1,500 each. He did all these things for political expediency and for no other reason.

I remember going back to Donegal, a very disheartened young Deputy, immediately after the Kildare by-election. I remember one of my strongest supporters, in the depths of despair— shall we put it that way—saying to me: "But Lemass has proved himself a man. He went into the by-elections the underdog. He has come out the strong statesman, the strong national leader." Just before those remarks were made, I remember reading two statements in that morning's Irish Independent, one by the Taoiseach, and the other by Deputy Dillon, the then leader of the Opposition. I do not quote verbatim but any person who wishes to challenge this can read the Irish Independent of the Friday morning of that week. Deputy Lemass is reported as saying that the vote in Cork and Kildare for the Fianna Fáil candidates was a vote of confidence in his administration and that it was the green light for him to carry on with the Second Programme for Economic Expansion. Deputy Dillon is reported as saying that time would vindicate the principles of Fine Gael policy and expose the weaknesses and follies of the Fianna Fáil administration. I ask any sane, rational-minded Deputy to ask himself if these two statements, brief and to the point, did not sum up the feeling in the country then and the position in which the country now finds itself at this particular time. Many Deputies can play cat and mouse with the political ball of wool. Many Deputies can use all the mascara and political cosmetics that are to be used by shrewd and astute politicians but, in the final analysis——

You would know more about lipstick than we would.

I have a fair knowledge of it, son.

Deputy Molloy did not grow up yet.

However, whenever I knew more about it, the lassies I would have cast an eye upon did not have to pay tax on their lipstick which is something that lassies have to do now. I hope that whenever you cast your eye on a lassie in Salthill at The Hangar or at Seapoint——

Do not put bad thoughts in his head; he is too young.

——and admire her and ask for permission to leave her home; you will be brave enough to admit that the cosmetics and the lipstick which she wishes to use——

And impacts on him.

I hope Deputy Molloy will be brave enough to admit to her that he voted for taxes which that girl would have to pay to keep him a Member of this House.

I am sure she would be happy to contribute to the national economy.

Deputy Molloy would be best advised to keep quiet. Deputy Dowling asked us here on these benches and on the Labour benches if we did not realise that when we were voting against increased taxation we were voting against the increases in wages for different workers. Does any Deputy, least of all Deputy Dowling, believe that workers do not pay taxes? We were voting against increased taxation because we believed the country can be run without any increased taxation. If the Government cannot figure out how to do so, I put it to them that they should get out before they are thrown out. I heard it said recently that before long the Taoiseach might be a captain without a vessel. Deputy Dowling spoke of the social services provided by Fianna Fáil. The only one I can think of is the free beef.

Surely the Deputy is not going to talk about free beef on Resolution No. 3?

With respect, Sir, it is as relevant as Deputy Corry speaking about buying socks in Grafton Street or Deputy O'Connor from Kerry speaking about repairs to a motor car. The day of reckoning has arrived. I do not claim to be the wisest Deputy here; I am just a modest man of average intelligence.

Average, yes, but not modest.

I do not know whether the Minister is complimenting me or not. I make no apologies to him for what I have to say. The Minister knows I have never been personal to him and I do not say I would not be personal with other Ministers.

I do not mind. You can have a go at me any time.

At least that gives me the green light, but you should not invite me. Speaking on Deputy Esmonde's amendment last night, the Minister said that Fine Gael as members of the inter-Party Government were responsible for the introduction of no fewer than six Budgets and they never thought of abolishing death duties. As Deputy Flanagan has said, I think the Minister will break that record in 12 months. There is no guarantee that when we come back after the summer recess, he will not introduce another Budget. The Minister is a man of high integrity. He is an honest, unassuming, modest individual.

I thought you were going to have a cut at me?

But he is also a politician. I do not believe that the Minister when introducing his Budget of March last did not foresee industrial unrest, the farmers parading outside Leinster House, an increase for the Garda, Dr. Andrews's resignation from CIE or that all sorts of claims would be put forward.

What about the weather?

The weather is quite good in Donegal. I do not know what it is like in Galway. I do not believe the Minister for Finance did not know these things. I am convinced beyond doubt he knew them well. However, being a politician in touch with public opinion, he knew that on the eve of a Presidential election, the Government could not afford to be anything but popular. He was afraid to be politically honest in case their Presidential nominee might be a has-been.

The Minister's Budget in March was one of the earliest ever introduced here and it was also one of the most severe. Now we have a second Budget. A few evenings ago a doctor friend told me of a conversation he had with a group of Americans visiting this city. They are on a tour of the world. They claim that Dublin is the most expensive city in the world at present. It is not expensive because the hoteliers are fleecing the tourists or because the taxi drivers charge exorbitant fares. It is not expensive because the traders fleece everyone who come into their shops. It is expensive because these people must live and to provide services they must charge certain prices. Those prices are necessary because of the bad economic planning of Fianna Fáil. Not alone did they claim that this was the most expensive city in the world but some of them who were on the same trip in 1954 said at that time they considered Dublin to be one of the cheapest cities in the world. What has gone wrong? I may be accused of being politically biased but I believe that when the former leader of the Fianna Fáil Party was Taoiseach, he held that office because he was a legendary figure. I admit he had control over the Irish people. When Deputy Geoghegan, Deputy Molloy or other backbench Deputies were seeking election to this House, the people who voted for them did not really vote for them but for "the Big Chief".

This does not arise.

When the Taoiseach took over the administration, he lacked that persuasion. The only way in which he could keep the confidence of the people was to increase taxation and thereby create the illusory situation that prosperity was in our midst and that employment was plentiful. This is the basic and fundamental idea of the Fianna Fáil economic programmes, first and second: increase taxation in the belief and in the hope that the Government who spend more and who keep spending will remain popular. That is a fair approach, provided the nation is producing more and exporting more and provided our balance of payments is reasonably secure and controlled.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
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