Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 9 Nov 1972

Vol. 263 No. 7

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - University Education.

94.

Dr. Thornley

asked the Minister for Education if he will indicate the net increase in fees for university education in the period 1969-1972.

Mr. Faulkner

With your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I propose to circulate for inclusion in the Official Report a tabular statement giving the information requested by the Deputy.

Following is the statement:

TABLE SHOWING UNIVERSITY FEES FOR THE YEARS 1969-70 AND 1972-73 AND INDICATING THE INCREASES IN FEES IN THAT PERIOD

	U.C.D.	U.C.C.	U.C.G.	T.C.D.
Faculty	Fees 1969-70	Fees 1972-73	Increase	Fees 1969-70	Fees 1972-73	Increase	Fees 1969-70	Fees 1972-73	Increase	Fees 1960-70	Fees 1972-73	Increase	Notes
	£	£	£	£	£	£	£	£	£	£	£	£
Arts	65	103	38	56	87	31	42	87	45	80	120	40	(a) No faculty.
Science	90	140	50	85	131	46	60	(c) 131	71	110	148	38	(b) Students transfer to U.C.D. or U.C.C. after first year.
Engineering	90	140	50	85	131	46	60	(c) 131	71	110	148	38
Architecture	90	140	50	(a) —	—	—	(a) —	—	—	(a) —	—	—
Law	65	103	38	56	87	31	30	68	38	(e) —	—	—
Agriculture	90	140	50	85	131	46	60	131	71	110	148	38	(c) £96 for fourth year students registered in 1969-70.
Commerce	65	103	38	56	87	31	42	87	45	90	120	30
MEDICINE:
Pre-Medical	100	156	56	85	131	46	60	131	71	110	148	38	(d) £119 for students registered in 1969-70.
First Year	100	156	56	95	150	55	65	131	66	110	164	54
Second Year	100	156	56	95	150	55	70	156	86	110	164	54
Third Year	95	149	54	115	182	67	75	(d) 162	87	110	164	54
Fourth Year	65	103	38	115	182	67	75	(d) 162	87	110	164	54	(e) The fee structure for the Law School in T.C.D. is such that the variations cannot be form. readily illustrated in tabular
Fifth Year	50	78	28	115	182	67	75	(d) 162	87	110	164	54
DENTISTRY:
Pre-Dental	100	156	56	85	131	46	60	131	71	110	148	38
First Year	100	156	56	95	150	55	65	131	66	110	164	54
Second Year	95	149	54	130	200	70	(b) —	—		110	164	54
Third Year and Subsequent Years	50	78	28	130	200	70	(b) —	—		160	164	4
VETERINARY MEDICINE:
First Year	100	156	56	(a) —	—	—	(a) —	—	—	110	148	38
Second Year and Subsequent Years	90	140	50	(a) —	—	—	(a) —	—	—	110	164	54
Dairy Science	(a) —	—	—	85	131	46	(a) —	—	—	(a) —	—	—

95.

Dr. Thornley

asked the Minister for Education if he will indicate the net increase in grants-in-aid for university students during the period 1969-1972.

Mr. Faulkner

If, as I assume to be the case, the Deputy is referring to grants under the Local Authorities (Higher Education Grants) Act, 1968, the number of such grants held each year and their total value were as follows:

Academic Year	Number of Grants Held	Total Value
		£
1968-69	1,119	252,183
1969-70	2,348	571,503
1970-71	3,562	918,016
1971-72	4,333	1,176,314

Mr. Clinton

Is the Minister aware it is possible for a student to get four honours and two passes but not be eligible for a grant?

Mr. Faulkner

The Deputy is probably referring to particular subjects.

Mr. Clinton

I am referring to particular subjects but it is four honours and two passes and the university grants scheme says four honours.

Mr. Faulkner

The regulations laid down relate to matriculation subjects.

96.

Mr. E. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state the level of fees in the National University of Ireland and Dublin University in 1960-61, 1965-66, 1971-72 and 1972-73; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Mr. Faulkner

The information requested is set out in the form of a tabular statement which, with your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I propose to have circulated with the Official Report. The statement is self-explanatory and does not call for any comment from me.

Following is the Statement:

STUDENT FEES IN UNIVERSITIES FOR SELECTED YEARS

Faculty	U.C.D.	U.C.C.	U.C.G.	T.C.D.	Notes
1960-61	1965-66	1971-72	1972-73	1960-61	1965-66	1971-72	1972-73	1960-61	1965-66	1971-72 (a)	1971-72 (b)	1972-73	1960-61	1965-66	1971-72	1972-73
Arts	50	65	90	103	45	55	77	87	34	42	55	70	87	60	70	100	120	(a) For existing students.
Science	70	90	123	140	65	80	115	131	48	60	77	105	(e) 131	90	100	125	148	(b) For new students
Engineering	70	90	123	140	65	80	115	131	48	60	77	105	(e) 131	90	100	125	148	(c) No faculty
Architecture	50	90	123	140	(c) —	—	—	—	(c) —	—	—	—	—	(c) —	—	—	—	(d) Students transfer to U.C.D. or U.C.C. after first year.
Law	50	65	90	103	45	55	77	87	26	30	40	55	68 —	(g) —	—	—	—
Agriculture	70	90	123	140	65	80	115	131	48	60	77	105	131	90	100	125	148	(e) £96 for furth year students registered in 69-70.
Commerce	50	65	90	103	45	55	77	87	34	42	55	70	87	(h) 60	80	100	120
Medicine:																		(f) £119 for students registered in 69-70.
Pre-Med.	80	100	138	156	65	80	115	131	48	60	77	105	131	95	100	125	148	(g) The fee structure or the Law School in T.C.D. is such that the variations cannot be readily illustrated in tabular form.
First Year	80	100	138	156	70	85	132	150	55	65	83	110	131	85	100	125	164
Second Year	80	100	138	156	70	85	132	150	60	70	90	125	156	85	100	125	164
Third Year	75	95	131	149	81	80	160	182	60	75	95	130	(f) 162	85	100	125	164
Fourth Year	50	65	90	103	107	55	160	182	60	75	95	130	(f) 162	85	100	125	164
Fifth Year	40	50	68	78	97	45	160	182	60	75	95	130	(f) 162	85	100	125	164	(h) Second,third and fourth years, £80.
Dentistry:																		(i) Fourth year, 42.
Pre-Dent.	80	100	138	156	65	80	115	131	48	60	77	105	131	95	100	125	148
First Year	80	100	138	156	70	85	132	150	55	65	83	110	131	85	100	165	164
Second Year	75	95	133	149	127	85	176	200	(d) —	—	—	—	—	85	100	165	164
Third Year and Subsequent Years	40	50	68	78	137	50	176	200	(d) —	—	—	—	—	135	135	165	164
Veterinary Medicine:
First Year	80	100	138	156	(c) —	—	—	—	(c) —	—	—	—	—	90	100	125	148
Second Year and Subsequent Years	70	90	123	140	(c) —	—	—	—	(c) —	—	—	—	—	(i) 72	100	125	164
Dairy Science	(c) —	—	—	—	60	80	115	131	(c) —	—	—	—	—	(c) —	—	—	—

97.

Mr. E. Collins

asked the Minister for Education if he will state the revenue obtained from student fees and the total current revenue in 1965-66, 1968-69 and 1971-72 in respect of (a) University College, Dublin (b) University College, Cork (c) University College, Galway and (d) Trinity College, Dublin.

Mr. Faulkner

The information requested is set out in the form of a tabular statement, which, with your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I propose to have circulated with the Official Report.

Following is the statement.

UNIVERSITY COLLEGES—REVENUE OBTAINED FROM STUDENT FEES AND TOTAL CURRENT REVENUE FOR SELECTED YEARS

College	1965-66	1968-69	1971-72*
Student Fees Revenue	Total Current Revenue	Student Fees Revenue	Total Current Revenue	Fees Revenue	Total Current Revenue
	£	£	£	£	£	£
Trinity College, Dublin	335,720	918,650	458,450	1,661,550	558,000	2,948,000
University College, Dublin	567,300	1,656,000	626,520	2,446,820	861,240	4,666,400
University College, Cork†	150,490	512,240	196,520	863,850	318,000	1,594,000
University College, Galway	91,920	359,790	113,810	754,130	201,270	1,310,910

*Provisional figures.

†Including Dairy Science.