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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 19 Jun 1973

Vol. 266 No. 5

National School Teachers' Superannuation (Amendment) Scheme 1972: Motion.

I move:

That the National School Teachers' Superannuation (Amendment) Scheme, 1972, prepared by the Minister for Education with the consent of the Minister for Finance under the Teachers' Superannuation Act, 1928 and laid before the House on the 21st July, 1972, be confirmed.

The main provisions of this amending scheme are, briefly:

1. The national teachers' strike in 1969 will not interrupt pensionable service (paragraph 24):

2. The national teachers' pension scheme will be a contributory scheme (paragraph 7);

3. The establishment of reciprocity of pensionable service as between the national teachers' and secondary teachers' pension schemes (paragraphs 9 and 10);

4. National teachers who, in the past, had given service in preparatory colleges may have that service reckoned for pension purposes (paragraph 9);

5. A national teacher who had certain service in the Irish Folklore Commission and who had been allowed to have half of that service reckoned for pension may now have it reckoned in full (paragraph 23).

The national teachers' pension scheme has been a non-contributory scheme since 1934, a circumstance which was taken into account when the salary scales for these teachers were being drawn up or adjusted from time to time. On the other hand, the pension schemes for post-primary teachers were, and are, on a contributory basis at the rate of 5 per cent of the teacher's pensionable rate of pay and this circumstance, too, was adverted to in the drawing up or adjustment of salary scales for post-primary teachers. The introduction of common basic scale of salary for teachers generally as from 1st July, 1968, demanded that these discrepancies in regard to pension conditions be rationalised and, so, the superannuation of national teachers was established on a contributory basis with effect as from 1st July, 1968. Paragraph 7 of this amending scheme will give statutory effect to this situation.

In preparing this amendment I felt it was only right to have regard to those national teachers who had to retire, either because they had reached the statutory age limit or because of disability, at the end of the school year which ended on 30th June, 1968, that is, one day before the introduction of the improved pay structure for teachers. Accordingly I have provided in paragraph 8 of the scheme now before the House that these teachers will, in their pensions and lump sums, get the benefit of the improved salary structures. Post-primary teachers who had to retire at the end of the corresponding post-primary school year—31st July, 1968, for secondary schools and 31st August, 1968, for vocational schools —had their superannuation awards based on the improved rates.

At present the secondary teachers' pension scheme allows for the reckoning of national teacher service for superannuation purposes. There is not, however, a similar reciprocal provision in the national teachers' scheme for a pensionable secondary teacher who transfers to national teaching. Paragraph 9 of this amending scheme will rectify that anomaly, and teachers who have retired since 1st October, 1956, inclusive, will have the opportunity of availing of this provision where applicable and have their pensions revised from the date of retirement.

A small number of national teachers had, in the past, given service in the preparatory colleges but through lack of suitable provision could not receive pensionable credit for that service. I propose, in this paragraph 9, also, to give any such national teacher, including those who may have retired on or after 1st October, 1956, the opportunity of recovering the pensionable value of preparatory college service which ceased before 5th January, 1957; and where the opportunity is availed of, I propose to have pensions which have already been granted to these teachers revised with effect from that date of retirement.

It is my intention to have, eventually, pension reciprocity generally for the teaching services in order that there may be greater mobility within the teaching profession. Unfortunately there are difficulties—not the least being the necessity for amending legislation—in the way of including vocational teachers in reciprocity arrangements. These teachers are employed by local authorities and their pensions are provided for under the Local Government (Superannuation) Act 1956. My Department is at present tackling this problem in collaboration with Departments of Local Government and Finance, but it will be a little time yet before the necessary proposals can be brought before the House. In the meantime I thought it best to establish what reciprocity could be speedily achieved.

An amendment to the national teachers' pension scheme in 1967 allowed a teacher who had at least three years whole-time service in the Irish Folklore Commission prior to 5th November, 1951, to reckon half of that service for pension. As the number of teachers involved is insignificant, and having regard to the nature of the work of the former Irish Folklore Commission, I consider that a more liberal approach is warranted. I have therefore provided, in paragraph 23, that such service may be given full pensionable credit.

I believe that this amending superannuation scheme will be generally welcomed by the teachers and I am satisfied that its provisions are just and reasonable. I have no hesitation, therefore, in recommending to the House that it be accepted.

Os rud é gur mé féin a thug isteach i dtúis ama an scéim úr seo, ní féidir liom rud ar bith a rá ina éadan. Mar adúirt mé, is é mo scéim féin atá ann.

This scheme was drawn up by me with the consent of the then Minister for Finance. Therefore, I can find little wrong with it. This is one of the occasions in this House when we appear to be in complete agreement. To some extent the scheme relates to teachers who had been in other branches of the teaching service and who have become national teachers. Apart from this, as stated by the Minister, the scheme provides for a number of other matters. It provides for the introduction of a contributory pension scheme for national teachers and that the payment of contributions would be taken into account in respect of salary scales. This, of course, relates to the findings of the Ryan tribunal and it brings the scheme into line with that of the secondary and vocational teachers' schemes which are and have been contributory.

The primary teachers had a contributory scheme at one stage but, by virtue of an arrangement with the then Minister for Education, the scheme was discontinued.

It is provided in paragraph 8 of the scheme that teachers who retire, on age or disablement grounds on 30th June, 1968—that being the end of the school year—would get the benefit of the new salary structure which came into operation on 1st July, 1968. This is reasonable. It does not apply to those who retired voluntarily on 30th June, 1968 and I wonder if we could have a few examples of cases of people who would, in such circumstances, retire voluntarily?

The really important aspect of paragraph 9 is that, taken in conjunction with the existing provisions of the secondary teachers scheme, there is the introduction of pension reciprocity between national and secondary teachers. Paragraph 9 is important also, as the Minister has mentioned, to those who are serving as national teachers and who had service as secondary or preparatory college teachers before 5th January, 1957 because they are given the opportunity of reckoning that service, regardless of whether they were members of their pension schemes, under certain conditions. So far as I can remember, the significance of that date 5th January, 1957 is that the secondary teachers pension scheme is voluntary. Many did not join it at all and, on 5th July, 1956 the scheme was thrown open for the second and last time so as to enable non-members to join or to allow members to antedate their membership with full retrospection in each case. They were given six months, ending 5th January, 1957 to exercise this option.

The provisions in paragraphs 11 to 22 extend the scope of the existing provision in the national teachers' scheme to provide against dual reckoning of the same period of service and against according to a transferee from secondary to national teaching, more favourable terms than would be available to a national teacher.

Regarding paragraph 23, I was glad to be able to make the change permitting those teachers who gave at least three years' wholetime service in the National Folklore Commission before 5th November, 1951 to be reckoned in full for national teacher pension purposes rather than, as the Minister has pointed out, have half the service reckoned for such purposes as was the case up to now. The number of persons involved was very small.

Paragraph 24 provides that the national teachers' strike period from 28th May, 1969 to 8th June of that year will not interrupt pensionable service, provide the teachers concerned paid the appropriate contributions and that they resumed work immediately after the strike unless prevented from doing so by retirement or death. It also provides that pensions awarded already and which were affected adversely by the strike, can be adjusted. This is not something new but it is very important. Strikes are very serious matters not only at the time they are taking place but also in respect of the rather estranged atmosphere that often follows. Anything that can be done to improve relations between the parties involved should be done and this paragraph is a contribution towards better relations in the circumstances. I welcome the confirmation of this scheme which was signed by me in July last.

Mr. R. Burke

I thank Deputy Faulkner for his reception of this scheme in which he had a hand as Minister. If I understood the Deputy rightly, he asked a question about what benefits would apply to those teachers who retired voluntarily.

I was wondering what persons would be likely to retire voluntarily in the circumstances.

Mr. R. Burke

I am trying desperately to think of any such persons but the Deputy's guess is as good as mine at this stage. I thank the House for the co-operation I have received in putting through this motion.

Question put and agreed to.
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