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Thursday, 24 Jul 1975

Vol. 284 No. 3

Turf Development Bill, 1975: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The main purpose of this Bill is to empower Bord na Móna to borrow the amount necessary to finance its third development programme.

As I informed the House when I moved the Estimate for my Department for 1975, Bord na Móna, following the 1973 fuel crisis, carried out a review of bog areas which had previously been considered incapable of economic development. As a result the board formulated its third major bog development programme.

The board's initial development programme adopted in 1946 had as its main features the production of 1 million tons of sod peat annually, improvements in the Lullymore briquetting plant and the establishment of the first generation of turf fired power stations. The second development programme launched in 1950 concentrated chiefly on milled peat production, and since that date the annual milled peat output has been built up to around 3 million tons. The success of that programme led to the erection of four additional peat fired power stations and two new major briquette factories.

The third programme is being introduced at a time when the high cost of imported energy is inflating both domestic prices and the external deficit on the balance of payments. In a White Paper entitled "A National Partnership" laid by the Government before both Houses of the Oireachtas last November, the need to accelerate the development of domestic sources of energy was emphasised. Amongst the proposals listed in that White Paper towards that end was the board's third development programme.

Under the third programme, in addition to the 130,000 acres of bog already in production, it is proposed to develop a further 40,000 acres from which annual production will be available as follows:—Milled peat, 1.7 million tons; sod peat, 44,000 tons; moss peat, 600,000 bales; briquettes, 80,000 tons. The additional milled peat supplies will be capable of sustaining 160 megawatts of electricity generating plant with the capacity to produce 700 million units of electricity annually. A new 80 megawatt unit will be erected at a site yet to be selected. Additional units will be added to the milled peat stations at Lanesboro and Shannon-bridge and the lives of the stations at Ferbane and Rhode will be extended.

Because of the increase in oil prices the cost of production of electricity from milled peat is comparable with that of production from oil. Provided the present trend of world oil prices is maintained, it is expected that electricity generated from milled peat produced under the third programme will continue to be competitive with that produced from oil.

The production of briquettes from milled peat ranks next in importance to the production of electricity from milled peat. Since the rise in oil prices, briquettes have become more popular and production is now scarcely adequate to cope with the demand. To meet the increased demand the board proposes to erect a fourth briquette factory at a cost of £3.5 million and an annual output of 80,000 tons.

Bogs at Coolnagun, Garrymore and Ballydermot will be developed at an estimated cost of £700,000 to produce 44,000 tons of sod peat annually. This will be absorbed by the domestic. industrial and institutional demand for sod peat.

As regards moss peat, four bogs at Gilltown, and Prosperous, County Kildare, Kinnegad, County Westmeath, and Ballivor, County Meath, are to be developed to yield a total annual production of 600,000 cubic metres of peat for processing at the moss peat factories at Kilberry and Coolnamona. This production will be used partly to meet increasing factory demands and partly to replace reductions in bog outputs where some production areas are being cut away.

The development involved in this programme will extend over counties Tipperary, Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Kilkenny, Meath, Westmeath, Galway, Roscommon and Longford and will take about five years to complete. It should provide continuous all-year-round employment for an additional 1,500 men rising to about 1,800 men during the peak production season. The Board at present employs 4,500 men on a regular basis, a figure which rises to 5,500 during the peak production period. The total cost of the programme, including the estimated cost of preparing the bogs by draining them, providing the necessary rail haulage services, production machinery, workshops and ancillary buildings, will be £28.5 million.

The necessity for this Bill arises because the board has almost exhausted its existing statutory borrowing powers. Under the Turf Development Acts the board may not borrow more than £28 million. Its borrowings to date in respect of previous programmes total £27.7 million. The Bill proposes to raise the borrowing limit to £60 million to cover the £28.5 million needed for the third programme and contingencies. The Bill provides that the additional borrowings may be made in any currency and that repayment may be guaranteed by the Minister for Finance in foreign currencies should the need to do so arise. The Minister is already empowered to guarantee borrowings by the board in the currency of the State.

In the case of the first and second programmes the necessary capital was advanced by the Exchequer, but pressing demands on the Exchequer for other services could limit its capacity to meet the board's requirements in respect of the third programme. The board has, therefore, been having discussions with its bankers about the possibility of raising finance from banking institutions. No decision has yet been taken on how the programme will eventually be financed.

A major difficulty which the board must face is how to remunerate its capital investment during the initial five years while the bogs are being got ready. During this period there would be no production and hence no return to the board on the investment. In the case of the first and second programmes this difficulty was overcome by allowing the board a waiver of interest in respect of Exchequer advances for the initial five-year period and a deferment of repayment of capital until after the expiry of that period. The board has proposed that a similar waiver and deferment be granted in respect of Exchequer advances for the new programme. I am at present in consultation with the Minister for Finance about the whole question of the financing of the programme. Meanwhile section 3 of the Bill would enable a waiver of interest on similar lines to the earlier programmes to be granted to the board should it be found necessary to do so.

The adoption of this third programme of Bord na Móna represents an important step in our developing energy policy. The events of 1973 and 1974 brought home to us the vulnerability of our energy supply position. The availability of cheap and abundant supplies of oil from the Middle East led us in this country, as it did in many other western countries, into a position of overdependence on a single energy source. Moreover, it tended to stifle the incentive for the development of costlier alternative sources.

The curtailment of oil supplies in late 1973 demonstrated the great insecurity of undue dependence on Middle East oil. Moreover, the huge increases in oil prices added tremendously to the cost of energy, with repercussions on domestic consumers, industrial enterprises and almost all services. These increased costs added to the difficulties already being experienced by business firms and thus aggravated the recession affecting the economy. They also caused a sharp deterioration in the balance of payments position.

In the light of these developments, there is a clear need for a diversification of our energy sources so as to ensure improved security and stability. In the pursuit of this objective, priority must naturally be given to our native resources, because of security considerations, because of the balance of payments advantages and because the development of our own resources confers additional social and economic benefits. An intensification of the turf development programme is fully compatible with these criteria. It has, of course, been a basic aim of national policy to encourage the development of our bogs. While the aim has been to pursue maximum economic development, the low price of oil which prevailed up to 1973 affected the scale and extent of previous bog development programmes. In this respect, we should perhaps recognise that one effect of the energy crisis has been to lift the economic constraints which previously prevented the development of certain bog areas. These previously uneconomic bogs will now be developed under the third programme.

The opportunity presented by this Bill is being availed of to provide in section 5 two small but desirable improvements in the terms of the board's general employees superannuation scheme. That scheme was established under section 6 of the Turf Development Act, 1953. Under its terms pensionable service dates only from the date on which an employee enters the board's employment. Some members recruited at an age which precluded them from achieving the qualifying period for full pension are anxious to be permitted to purchase the additional years needed for such qualification by making additional contributions to the scheme.

Under the same scheme, pensions of members who die in service are payable for five years and pensions of members who die within five years of retirement are payable until the fifth anniversary of retirement. However, when the board introduced their widows' and orphans' pension scheme on 1st September, 1972, this facility lapsed for new entrants to the board's service as from that date. Employees already on the board's staff who had been contributing towards this benefit were given the option of opting out of payment or retaining the benefit if they were prepared to pay the board's share of the contribution as well as their own. If they decided to retain the benefit they would be required to pay an additional ½ per cent of their salary to the superannuation fund.

I strongly recommend this Bill to the House. It will make an important contribution to our energy objectives, as I have explained earlier. It will provide a social and economic boost to the midland counties whose prosperity is closely linked with the scale of activity of Bord na Móna. It will be a vote of confidence in the board who have always enjoyed the strong support of the whole community for the progress they have made down through the years. The board have earned a high reputation for technical innovation and development and they hold an important place in the fabric of rural life. I am confident that the House will join with me in commending the board for their initiative in coming forward with this programme by giving a Second Reading to the Bill.

We support this Bill which leads to the adoption of the third programme for Bord na Móna. Bord na Móna have been a success story within the framework of semi-State bodies and have achieved a lot during their short history. They have given good employment to close on 6,000 people at peak periods. This Bill will now lead to further employment by the board of a further 1,600 to 1,800 people. This employment is badly needed at present due to economic trends and so on and the large number of unemployed. The energy crisis of 1973 made us all more turf or bog conscious, and we had no alternative but to look at the further development of our own natural resources of fuel in order to survive the energy crisis. The bogs were the obvious source of fuel to develop in order to lower the cost of our fuel bills and balance of payments resulting from fuel bills which jumped from £30 million to £200 million in one year.

On the question of further development of our bogs, I know that the board, and the Minister, will ensure that there will be no mad rush into the bogs by people who will cut turf all round them because the life of our bogs is somewhere in the region of 25 to 30 years. Even at the present rate of production it needs careful planning. A bog is like an oil well— it runs out in due course. This is important from the point of view of the number employed. They must be assured of a reasonably long working life while working for the board. If the bogs run out there is no question of this happening. It must be done in a well planned way in order to ensure that the employees involved will have a long working life.

We should consider this planned development in the probability of our providing our own oil in future years. This will help to ease the balance of payments situation which we have. Side by side with the development of oil and natural gas, the bogs can go ahead and the board can continue to employ a large number of people who, I understand, are reasonably well satisfied working for the board. A good relationship has always existed between the board and their employees. The development of the bogs is important and I am sure the board will see to it that this development is done for the maximum benefit for all concerned, employees and turf users.

With regard to developing bogs not owned by the board, some action needs to be taken at a local level in order to give people who burn turf an opportunity to cut turf. It is a source of great frustration in western counties particularly that these bogs are inaccessible. The road structure is the cause of this inaccessibility. There seems to be no road development or repair in progress in order to reach the turf. The existing roads have gone into bad repair over the years because of lack of use and lack of turf cutting.

Many people are finding difficulty getting to where they can cut turf. I understand that the Department responsible for making grants available for these roads is the Department of Local Government through their special improvements schemes which are administered by county councils of each area. Unfortunately, at present these grants are not available. They seem to have come to a standstill because of lack of funds being made available to local authorities.

The Deputy will appreciate that he is now outside the scope of the area for which the Minister is responsible.

With respect, I understood we were entitled to talk about turf development.

Yes, for which the Minister is responsible. He is not responsible for funds for roads.

What I had in mind to say was that the Minister should take responsibility for roads, under the Department of Transport and Power.

The Deputy is well aware that the advocacy of legislation is not permissible at this stage.

With respect, I was going to suggest, because of the inactivity with regard to these roads, at present; because it is so essential to have access to these bogs for turf development some action should be taken.

I am sure the Deputy will agree that he has had some leeway on the matter at this stage. I would ask him to keep to the scope of the Minister's activities.

Perhaps the Minister would consider taking over this aspect of turf development in order that some action be taken. It is very essential that something be done about it at present if we are to permit people to get into the bogs and cut turf, which they will be quite happy to do to keep down their fuel bills, whether it be oil or electricity. As well as the Bord na Móna bogs, the development of other bogs, whether privately owned or owned by the Land Commission, should be examined in great detail. There should be no obstacle left in the way of people willing to develop bogs other than those owned by Bord na Móna.

The Minister might consider making grants available for the purchase of turf-cutting machines which were available previously from the western regional fund but which are no longer available. Perhaps the Minister for Transport and Power would devise some scheme under which we can make grants available for the purchase of these turf-cutting machines which could be owned and worked on a co-operative basis and which would reduce considerably the labour factor. It is work which is very dependent on fine weather. It would eventually lead to cheaper fuel for turf users, if done on a co-operative basis.

I should like to ask the Minister if he has had any consultations with his colleague, the Minister for the Gaeltacht, as to whether there are Gaeltacht grants available at present for the development of bogs in the Gaeltacht. In the past I understand the Department of the Gaeltacht did make grants available for the development of these bogs. I suggest that the Minister have consultations with the Minister for the Gaeltacht to see what can be done in this respect. The Department of the Gaeltacht should involve themselves in this obvious development which can be carried out throughout the Gaeltacht areas.

There is another minor point which has to do with turf development, one which has been drawn to my attention, about the non-availability of TVO fuel for tractors used in bogs. TVO fuel is used in Ferguson tractors. There is great difficulty being experienced at present in purchasing this type of fuel for tractors. The Minister for Transport and Power should take some action to ensure that oil companies concerned, whether they be multi-national or otherwise, make this TVO fuel available to people who are dependent on using tractors which work properly on TVO fuel only.

We support the Bill. We are in favour of the development outlined by the Minister in his brief, which we hope will be on a carefully planned basis to ensure long-term and secure employment which should reach something in the region of 7,500, to 8,000 people under this development for at least 30 years. I am sure Bord na Móna will leave nothing undone in order to ensure such security of employment for their employees.

I shall be rather brief on this because there are a number of other Deputies offering. This is the third development programme submitted by Bord na Móna approved by the Government. The Bill before the House was introduced in order to provide the finance to continue the programme. It increases the amount of money that can be borrowed by Bord na Móna by £32 million. I have no doubt but that the Board will spend this money in the way they have spent all previous moneys they have received. In my opinion, Bord na Móna is one of the best run semi-State bodies in this country. The manner in which it is run is a lesson to all other semi-State bodies.

The Minister says that a new megawatt unit will be erected at a site yet to be selected. I want to state the claim of Ballyforan, County Roscommon, on the borders of County Galway. On numerous occasions Roscommon County Council made representations to Bord na Móna, to the Minister for Transport and Power and have sent deputations here. The bog at Ballyforan has a potential output in the region of 560,000 tons of bog milled peat per year. That is sufficient to run an 80 megawatt power station. The Minister for Transport and Power and Bord na Móna should bear this area in mind when siting the power station. I know there are some problems in that area; some people and voluntary organisations have a fear with regard to pollution of some of the rivers there. I am told that this can be easily overcome. The Department of Local Government, Bord na Móna and the Department of Transport and Power should convince these local organisations that there will be no problem. If they can convince them then I do not think there will be any objection.

There is also the question of a supply of water to the power station. There may be some fear on the part of people in towns in that area who get supplies of water from the river Suck. Water is available at other rivers, for instance the Bunowne River which is not far away from Ballyforan. If the water supply was not sufficient from the River Suck it should come from the Bunowne. These are the only objections to it and I do not think they would be very hard to overcome. As the Minister and the Opposition Deputies have said, we have all learned too well a lesson about the cost of oil and the effect it has had on the country. It is in our interests to produce as much as we can.

It gives me great pleasure to speak on this Bill because it was Eamonn de Valera who came to my parish in Clonsast to cut the first sod there on the turf development programme. With due respect to all the Members of the House, I have a good right to speak here this afternoon on it. In April last, I asked about making more money available to the board on the third programme. I am glad now that it has been seen fit to bring that Bill in here today. It will create much badly needed employment in the midlands.

During the years no other semi-State body have given such sound employment. They have been able to pay their way and they have never been top-heavy with staff. I should like to compliment the management of all the bogs and head office also for the manner in which they carried out all their projects and development. That applies to the workers also. Most people know that the men have been working shifts since last March and they deserve our congratulations and thanks.

The Government are not providing any money for the programme. It will all have to be financed through the banks. It seems to me that it will take almost five years to get the programme off the ground as regards cash returns. That will mean that the interest charged on the money will be very high. I hope that the Government of the day will be able to see their way at least to waive the interest because if they do not the board, in order to pay their way and keep their head above water, will have to increase the price of fuel.

Recently they had to increase the price of the turf from £7 to £9 a ton to pay their way. People complain and ask the reason for the increase. It was because the board got no support from anywhere. The Government gave them no support in regard to making a contribution. They should have got at least £1 million from the Exchequer and this would have helped them out in some way. As I see it now, they are mostly depending on sales and borrowed money from the bank. That is all right but I am always afraid of the interest and all the costs that accrue. Eventually they must be passed on to the consumer. There is always the cost of wages to meet. The cost of interest now is in the region of 12 per cent and that is very high. I hope the Government will be able to give some help in this matter.

In regard to the superannuation scheme I am glad that some improvements have taken place. When the scheme was first brought in it was very paltry indeed. Some employees, after having served 40 years, received only something in the region of £2 or £3 a week. I know it has improved a lot now and I welcome the change. It was badly needed. I am glad for the spouse of the employee that the lump sum has been improved.

I should also like to refer to Bord na Móna's new project regarding cattle. In my area, which is vast, they have started the project and it has got off to a good start. I hope that where many of the bogs have been cut away future development here will continue. It is very worth while.

I should like to refer also to some of the bogs that have been purchased by the board. The price being offered for some of this bogland—and this has been going on for a long time— is ridiculous. I do not know who the valuers are but some of the farmers have come to me and stated that they were most unhappy about it. I have sympathy for them, and if something could be done in this respect to improve the price it would be very helpful. When this bogland is taken the board develop it and now, when it is cut away, they are going to turn it into good grassland. This is the right course but the price they are paying should be improved.

Is it compulsory purchase?

In some cases under the Act the board can make a compulsory order but recently in a High Court case where the board tried to acquire bogland, they were refused. Under the Bog Development Act they can compulsorily acquire bogland.

Who will pay for it?

The compulsory order is all right provided it applies in the same way as the council land for building houses, but at least it should be at market value. I do not want anyone to think I am talking for the farmers alone. Everyone will agree that £20 and £25 an acre for bogland today is out of the question. I challenge anybody in the House to say that it is not.

With the price of foreign fuel now bogs here can be developed more, especially a number of the bogs in Offaly, in Kilcormack, and parts of Birr. I would like to see them developed because there is great potential in that area.

I am glad to see the extension at Shannon Bridge, which will give further employment. I am also glad to see that the peat in the Kildare area will be brought from Offaly to be processed and developed. I always said that Bord na Móna and the ESB are the two main employers in the midlands. You can bring in what you like, from where you like, but one thing can be said about Bord na Móna, they are consistent in giving employment and they pay good money. In all the negotiations I had with the board since I came into public life, they treated me with respect and courtesy. That goes for every official of the board, from the top to the bottom. Bord na Móna was one semi-State body one could approach.

I want to compliment them also on clearing the silt from the farmland drains. A vast amount of silt goes through bogland and into the rivers. The board are quick to respond with their machines and workers to have these places cleared as quickly as possible. In the winter time, when there is flooding, the silt moves from the bogs and blocks the landowners' drains. This can cause havoc in the spring. Bord na Móna have given wonderful help in this area. They have also helped the Barrow Drainage Board in Laois/Offaly and made a very good contribution towards the carrying out of the work.

I would like to see an extension in the briquette factory. The swing is away from solid peat to briquettes. I am very glad to see a development taking place there. It can be said by some that we may develop too quickly, involve ourselves in too much money and find ourselves in difficulty, but I do not see that happening. It can also be said that our bogs are good for another 30 years at least. We are dependent on oil as a fuel. We can talk about oil in Kinsale or anywhere else, but the chance of it becoming a natural resource is 10:1 as far as I am concerned.

I hope the odds are shorter than that.

They are 10:1 as far as I am concerned. We know where we are with bogs. We know we are able to generate electricity from turf or briquettes. Therefore we should concentrate more on briquettes. In this city there is a great demand for them because they are well packed and easily transported. The board should look into an expansion in that line. I know they are about to build another briquette factory, not in Laois/Offaly I am sorry to say, but in Tipperary. Wherever it goes it must bring about an improvement in employment.

To conclude, I hope this Bill will strengthen the hand of the board, will make more employment available and, perhaps, with the co-operation of everybody, especially the management, there will be further worthwhile development in the midlands. As I said before, and without fear of contradiction, this semi-State body has paid its way, has given a good return for money, and brought hope and happiness to many people.

I realise time is short so I will be brief. As one who represents a county that has gained a lot from Bord na Móna I agree with what has been said concerning the board and the employment they give. I welcome this Bill as a means of providing further employment. Bord na Móna have been a very important factor in employment for the midlands in general, and in County Kildare in particular. This Bill will improve the board's borrowing capacity to provide development and much needed employment. Having said that, I join with others who have said that the board have done a good job and are capable managers. There are a couple of points I would like to make which may not be in their favour. I agree with what Deputy Connolly said of prices paid for bogland. It is about time that the board realised that when they are buying bogland they are buying something valuable. There is a feeling in my constituency that down the years the board had a right to move in on boglands and talk about price afterwards. The people also feel that in many cases they were done badly by the board. I would not wish to take away their right to compulsorily acquire land for development schemes but a realistic price must be offered to the people who own land. In certain cases people who were prepared to develop their own bogs and had been given the opportunity, were offered a ridiculous price for their bogland by the board.

I would not be doing justice to my constituents if I did not say that. There is a belief in my constituency that board officials went around to old widows who owned bits of bogs and absolutely codded them out of them. I hope some proper scheme of valuation will form part of the future policy of the board. The board have changed their policy lately because of certain action taken in the High Court and elsewhere by my constituents.

I welcome the Bill. I know there are other Members wishing to contribute. I could go on talking for a long time because this Bill will have great influence in my constituency since Bord na Móna have had a great influence in my constituency. However, as time is short, I will let the other members contribute.

How long have I?

The time is eight minutes. The time period is one hour. The Bill finishes at half past four.

I would like to join with our principal spokesman and the other Members who welcomed this Bill in so far as it is providing finance for the further development of Bord na Móna. I should like the Minister and the Members who spoke on both sides of the House to know that the record of Bord na Móna is good because it is mainly run by engineers from my old school, St. Mel's College, Longford. That explains the efficiency and the development—not from fancy schools in Offaly or from Cork or Dublin, or the west or east of the country. Engineers from St. Mel's developed Bord na Móna and we are justly proud of this development.

There is no advertising allowed.

The efficiency of the board is primarily due to the brains and energy those men put into Bord na Móna. Deputy Connolly may make claims for Laois/Offaly but I still maintain that I am right. Some years ago, reading the ESB report, I saw that the cost of the unit of electricity produced from turf was much higher than that produced from the other fuels but, even at that time, most thinking people were prepared to justify the production of electricity from turf even though per unit it cost more than it would from imported fuels, because of the employment content and because of the social element in the cost the people were prepared to justify its use. It is a strange turn of events that the increased price of oil should have brought about a position when, in answer to a question put down by me it now appears that the unit cost is cheapest for a unit of electricity produced from turf.

There is a reference in the Minister's speech to the paper, "The National Partnership". This brings me to one of my hobby horses with regard to economics. We seem to have a lot of the economics of the copy cat. We have a "social contract" over the water and we have a national partnership here in the following couple of months. This is one of the things that worries people; we do not seem to be able to develop our own line of economics. The Minister referred in his speech to the balance of payments. To me there is a question to be answered when he comes to talking about where he is going to get this money. He says that the board's activities at one time were financed from the Exchequer and this enabled the Exchequer to waive interest rates and to defer payment of capital and so on. It is still desirable that our Exchequer should finance the board.

If the Minister goes abroad to borrow this money I do not see how, in fact, he will help the balance of payments by developing our own fuel with money borrowed abroad upon which interest has to be paid abroad. This is a serious flaw, and the Minister should talk seriously to the Minister for Finance and ask him to do the financing from our own resources if at all possible. Deputy Barrett, our spokesman, in discussing the Bill mentioned the development of private bogs. In most of my constituency people are going back again to harvesting their own turf. This is a great saving for the country. They had been switching to oil and coal over the years but many of them this year—they had a marvellous opportunity in that the summer was a fine one—have gone back to producing turf for their own use. This should be encouraged. I do not want to go over the ground about the LIS, which was referred to by Deputy Barrett. The Department of Lands has some responsibility with regard to some of the approaches to private bogs, and perhaps just mentioning it might suggest to that Department that some money might be spent on bog roads and bog passes to make access to bogs easier.

With regard to the production of briquettes, I am glad to see that the demand for them is increasing, and I am glad to see that provision is being made for financing increased production. Some years ago a very damaging statement was made in one of the Houses of the Oireachtas about the tarring effect that comes from burning briquettes. That was adequately answered by the board at the time. Everybody knows that briquettes provide a very clean quick-lighting and efficient fuel.

With regard to peat moss, I have seen criticism that over-development of this part of the industry tends to impoverish us and we may run out of material and so on. This does not cut any ice with me at all. When one has a thriving industry like that it should be fully developed. Improved technology and improved knowledge will find something else if our resources run out in that particular line.

It is true that in my own area the use of peat for gardening and farming was wellknown scientifically though the actual product was not scientifically prepared as the peat moss is nowadays. It was known that in certain soils peat moss was very useful for loosening the soil and thus enriching it. The Minister deserves to get the support of the House for this Bill. I am concerned, however, about where the money, up to a certain limit will come from. I hope that what the Minister is doing with one hand he will not undo with the other. In other words, whatever the Minister is saving by way of balance of payments in developing our native resources he will not lose by borrowing abroad and paying a high rate of interest.

The Chair wishes to interrupt at this stage. There is a time of one hour allocated to this Stage of the Bill and it has now expired. In accordance with the Order made by the Dáil on 9th July, I am putting the question.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 29th July, 1975.
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