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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 18 Dec 1975

Vol. 286 No. 12

Vote 2: Houses of the Oireachtas.

I move:

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £27,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December, 1975, for the salaries and expenses of the Houses of the Oireachtas, including certain grants-in-aid.

I should like to use the occasion to make some remarks on one of the aspects of this Supplementary Estimate. It is regrettable that, as has happened so often in the past, recent weeks have been charged with much emotive and unfair comment about the payment to Members of the Oireachtas in respect of their duties as public representatives of allowances which are specifically provided for in the Constitution of the State.

In order to put this matter in proper perspective and in an effort to avoid the unseemly public debate which has so often surrounded this issue, I wish to remind all concerned that in 1969 the Government of the day asked the Independent Review Body on Higher Remuneration in the Public Sector to recommend appropriate levels of remuneration for members of the Government and other office holders and allowances for Members of the Houses of the Oireachtas. This was done to remove any grounds for the accusation that Members fixed their own levels of remuneration. That uninfluenced review body reported in 1972 but that was still not the end of the outside independent examination of the matter. The recommendations of the review body were sent for further examination by a special committee of the non-partisan Employer-Labour Conference and ultimately on 22nd December, 1972, the Employer-Labour Conference made their recommendations. In June, 1973, on behalf of this Government, I announced publicly that the Government had decided in principle that increases in the levels of remuneration of parliamentarians, the judiciary and civil servants should be kept in step with the rounds of the national wage agreements. Our objective in so doing was to maintain what the reference to the review body in 1969 set out to achieve, an independent means of determining appropriate allowances for Members of the Oireachtas and others whose income levels for some reason or another tend to provoke unpleasant comment from some quarters.

The increased allowances proposed in the new order reflect the independent assessment which has been made of what allowances are now appropriate for Members of the Oireachtas. This simply involves the application to them of the terms of the national agreement negotiated between the trade union movement on the one hand and employers on the other and completely refutes the fanciful allegation that Members of the Oireachtas freely determine their own rates of remuneration.

The increased allowances which are provided for in this Supplementary Estimate and the increased salaries which will be payable to judges by virtue of a draft order which the Government have tabled in the Dáil provides no more than what was received by people with equivalent incomes to whom the national wage agreement was applicable. It should be appreciated that the money is being paid in arrear as most of it was payable as far back as 1st June and 1st September last. There will be no increases in 1976 for either judges or Members of the Oireachtas and members of the Government are foregoing a great deal more.

As I have already indicated, notwithstanding their normal entitlement under the 1975 national agreement to have their salaries increased with effect from 1st June, 1st September and 1st December last and indeed to further increases on 1st March next, the Government have voluntarily and very deliberately declined those increases. Similarly the increases for remuneration will not be paid to Parliamentary Secretaries, the Attorney General, or Chairmen or Deputy Chairmen of either Houses of the Oireachtas. The value of the increases from 1st June, 1975, to 31st December, 1976, thus declined by the Taoiseach amount to £2,364, and to £1,577 in the case of Ministers.

Having made an appeal for a national pay pause in 1976, a pay pause which is crucial to the achievement of economic recovery, the Government consider that it would be most inappropriate to pay any new increases to members of the Government or other office holders or to judges throughout 1976 and similarly they have decided that no further increases in allowances will be payable to Members of the Oireachtas in 1976. This pay pause is greater than that which the Government have been seeking from the community as a whole because the effect of this decision will be that Members of the Oireachtas, judges and the other people affected will not receive the final instalments of the current national agreement which in the absence of this decision would be payable.

Finally, I want to remind everybody that the remuneration of judges, Ministers and other office holders and TDs and Senators is subject to income tax. As some of the people concerned will be liable for tax at a rate of 77 pence in the £, the real value of their net increases is considerably less than the gross. This factor, together with the fact that as from April next all the remuneration I have referred to will come within the PAYE system, will hopefully still at least save critical comment.

I understand the Minister's concern to refute ill-informed comment on this matter but he seemed somewhat defensive and unnecessarily so. I confirm my agreement with the factual position as outlined by the Minister historically in regard to what has happened. I should like to say that when it came to the actual implementation of the national wage agreement in regard to the salaries and allowances of Deputies, Senators and office holders, it was not applied in full. The Devlin recommendations were reduced and the national wage agreement was not applied in full. That is factually correct but, as far as I can ascertain, the position is that most people who have objected to the proposed increases to Deputies, Senators and office holders, have ignored the fact that payment is being made in arrears. It was due from June last. They have also been in the main people who either have received the national agreement themselves or who are not prepared to propose that the national agreement should not be applied to anybody, such as the public service or people in the private sector.

Anybody who is putting forward the case that the national agreement should not be applied to Deputies, Senators and office holders, should be prepared also to say that it should not be applied to anybody else; that there should not be any national agreement, that there should be a pay pause instead of the existing agreement. Otherwise, they are illogical or are singling out Members of the Oireachtas as the one group who should not be allowed by law to receive the national agreement. That is an untenable position and one I would not accept. Therefore, I have no difficulty in supporting the Minister's proposal in regard to this agreement.

Vote put and agreed to.
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