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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 27 Oct 1976

Vol. 293 No. 4

Private Members' Business. - Adjournment Debate: Radio Officers' Course.

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I put this question down and asked a number of supplementaries today and I must say the Minister gave a rather comprehensive reply. However, I feel strongly about this particular question and consequently I asked for your indulgence to raise it on the adjournment. I am grateful to you for giving me permission to do so. First of all, I would like to say that the whole idea in regional technical colleges—I emphasise the word "regional"—was to cater for the particular region in which the college was situated. There was a tendency to look for higher education away from the rural areas of the country, to look towards the capital city or some other city. The idea of having a certain flavour of the region in the regional college was, in my opinion, a very good one.

The particular establishment we are talking about is in Letterkenny in a county where there is a flourishing fishing industry and there is also a marine radio station. I do not have to expand on that. Killybegs, Burtonport, Greencastle and Malin Head are all important in the fishing industry and important in the marine field. We pointed out today that there was not very much expense involved in this particular project for Letterkenny. My contention is, while this is an important consideration, it is not the sole one. The people on the spot need this service.

There are three fully qualified teachers in the regional technical college in Letterkenny capable of conducting this course. The course is an internationally recognised one and consequently should attract people from the Six Counties, which is quite near and which also has an interest in the fishing industry and in the radio officer course.

It is important to refer to the employment possibilities in this field. We know that at the present moment one of the most serious problems facing the country is the provision of employment for young people. This problem is particularly acute in the north-western area. We know that the companies who employ marine radio officers are very anxious to have more people trained. They are on record as having said that they could take exactly double the number who qualify in the country each year. This is an important consideration.

I know that AnCO have been putting on courses for young people but I am a little pessimistic about these courses. There are courses being planned for young school leavers with no job prospects at the end of them, so it looks very much as if we may be using the sum of money from the European Social Fund merely to mark time. I am not saying that the actual training that is given will be a dead loss but when you conduct a short course, no matter how good it is, no matter how intensive it is, if a long period elapses before the participant succeeds in getting a job the training certainly wears away.

We are assured that there is no difficulty with regard to employment in this particular field. I instanced the Marconi Company, who are anxious to recruit as many marine radio officers as possible. As I have already stated, there are three qualified people ready to run this course in the technical college. I am assured that the cost of equipment is as low as approximately £10,000. I am also assured that at one period the college actually had that amount of money available had they been permitted to use it. It is a strange thing that they should not be allowed to use it, arguing from the premise I started with, that the regional college should cater for the region, that those courses should have a flavour of the region in which the college is situated.

With regard to the argument that the Government and the Minister for Education are advised that it would be better to concentrate this type of training and education in one place, to a certain extent I go along with that argument. In particular I would agree with it fully if it meant that there was to be large capital expenditure in many places. As a consequence of this one could argue that the country would not be able to afford this, but in this particular instance there is not a large capital investment involved. Consequently I see no merit at all in concentration of the course in the regional technical college in Cork only. I know, as the Minister stated today in the House, that there was an effort to retain a school in Dún Laoghaire to cover the east coast and the arguments for that are substantial. I would like to point out that, due to the decision that the course will be concentrated only in Cork city, there is no facility available to anybody north of the Dublin-Limerick line.

This is a serious handicap to the people particularly in the Donegal area. A great deal of euphoria has gone out of our hopes for off-shore gas and oil but I am still optimistic enough to think that this will develop as a major industry and will cause greater demand for these officers. Recently we have been putting it on the line that a 50-mile fishing limit is very important for the development of the fishing industry in this country and it looks as if there will be a demand if we succeed. The Fianna Fáil party and the Minister for Foreign Affairs seem to be in agreement that they want a 50-mile limit with no question of quotas. This will demand an increase in middle water trawlers and consequently further demand for marine radio officers. There is general agreement now that professional people should have in-service courses to keep them up to date with their specialities. It is a bit much to have people from Killybegs, Greencastle or some such place in a highly competitive industry like fishing taking off down to Cork for courses when, if the facility were available in Letterkenny, they would be able to fit it in with their ordinary work. This is an important aspect of this case. If the paltry sum of £10,000 or £15,000 is not available at the moment, the equipment for this course could be provided at a rental of £4,000 or £4,500 per annum. That is a paltry sum when we weigh it against the advantages which the course could provide.

For these reasons I appeal to the Minister to have another look at the situation. If we are to believe rumours, the Minister may be involved in the whole European sea question and it would be nice to think that if we succeeded in having a 50-mile limit declared under satisfactory conditions the Minister would have taken steps to see to it that we had trained technicians to cover the new increase in the middle water trawlers, the increase in demand at the type of station that we have at Malin Head in Donegal. I would like to reiterate what I said about the possibility of support for the course from the Six Counties. A very healthy development in recent years in Donegal and in Monaghan has been the number of people who are going for higher education to Coleraine. It would be nice to think that a first class nationally and internationally recognised course for marine radio officers would be made available in Letterkenny through the action of this Government which would cater for increasing numbers from the Six Counties. I am appealing to the Minister to see to it that the regional element in the college is emphasised, that jobs for trained personnel that are there for the asking will be taken up by people from Donegal or from Derry, that the expertise available in the college be put to this use and I am asking the Minister, above all, to take into consideration the low cost to his Department of developing this course.

As the Deputy said just now, I gave a comprehensive reply in the Dáil today to the question which is the subject of this matter on the Adjournment but in defence of the sincerity of the case advanced by him again this evening, I will try to put the arguments from my side of the House into some sequence. This will necessitate a brief survey of what has happened in the last couple of years. In April, 1968 a survey team on nautical education was appointed by the then Minister for Education. The impending establishment at the time of the new regional technical colleges throughout the country with the purpose of catering for national needs in all areas of technical education provided an opportunity of considering nautical education in the context of overall development in this sphere. Such education and training were then available in the Irish Nautical College in Dún Laoghaire. The terms of reference of the survey team were to examine and make recommendations in regard to (a) the courses for which provision would be required in a new nautical school if established; (b) the estimated numbers for which such provision would be required; (c) the desirability of centralising facilities in the proposed new regional technical college in Cork; (d) the need for residential accommodation; (e) the accommodation which would be required to meet the projected numbers and (f) the estimated capital and running cost.

Membership of the survey team was representative of Irish Shipping Limited, the Irish Shipowners' Association, the Irish Nautical College, the Department of Transport and Power and the Department of Education. The survey team presented its report in December, 1969. I have given some extracts from the report already today so I do not need to put them on record again. Briefly, the report said that a national nautical education centre should be established and the educational grounds for a single institution. The report also said:

To obtain the services of the best teachers in these subjects, (mathematics, science, economics, and business studies, work study and personnel management) and to employ them economically requires in the present Irish circumstances that nautical education courses be associated with major technical institutions where both staff and equipment capable of handling courses at the highest levels required can be provided. For nautical educational purposes, the institution concerned should be located at or very near to a major port facility.

Dublin was considered as a potential centre but the Team's opinion is that the pattern of development in higher technical education there is not ideally suited to the integration of nautical courses in existing or projected institutions.

The team went on to say:

the new Regional Technical College in Cork will embrace comprehensive facilities for technical education at craft, technician and higher technician levels. These facilities would be available to courses in nautical education in addition to specialised accommodation and equipment provided for such courses. Cork college would, therefore, create a very favourable educational environment which should attract students and teachers of the highest calibre to the Nautical Department of the college as well as to other departments.

Other points in Cork's favour is the presence of a shipbuilding industry there, and the university which could play an important part not only in the education of senior marine personnel but also in maritime and oceanographic research. Obviously they were referring there to UCC. The report continues:

For all those reasons, the new Regional Technical College at Cork commends itself as the most suitable centre for the development of comprehensive nautical education on a national basis.

The Team is, therefore, convinced that it is essential to replace our existing fragmented training facilities by a comprehensive nautical education department, properly staffed and integrated within a major technical institution.

The Cork Regional Technical College was planned to incorporate facilities for nautical education and training in accordance with the team's requirements. Equipment in the Irish Nautical College, Dún Laoghaire, required for purposes of the courses in Cork was transferred there during the summer of 1975 and the teaching staff of the Irish Nautical College took up duty in the Cork RTC as from 1st September, 1975.

A course in maritime radio communications is provided in the Cork Regional Technical College. This course, which leads to the award by the Department of Posts and Telegraphs of a General Certificate in Maritime Radio Communication, is of two years' duration and the subjects of instruction in both years are electricity, mathematics, electronics, maritime regulations and procedures, morse theory and practice, marine radio communications and general studies.

The aim of the course is to educate and train students in the field of marine radio communications and to make them proficient in the sending and receiving of morse code messages and in marine regulations so that they may be employed as shipboard radio officers. An extra course year may be offered proceeding to Radar Endorsements and City and Guilds of London Institute examinations. The entry standard for the course is the leaving certificate with English and mathematics as preferable subjects.

Since the facilities for nautical education and training generally have now been centralised in the Regional Technical College in Cork and since a course in maritime radio communications is already provided there, the establishment of a corresponding course at the Regional Technical College in Letterkenny would not, as I indicated in my reply to the Deputy's question earlier today, be in conformity with the now agreed policy of concentrating as far as feasible specialist facilities in the most suitable locations.

In conclusion I might refer to the National Fishery School at Greencastle, County Donegal which is administered by the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries and for which a grant of £72,000 has been provided in respect of the current financial year. While the courses at the centre are orientated towards the training of trawler skippers and trawler deckhands and while it appears that there has been no decision as yet to incorporate a marine radio course as such in the school's activities, I understand that the school is in the process of obtaining equipment, specifically for the courses for skippers, which would enable a course in marine radio communications to be established if at any time such were to be considered necessary or desirable.

For these considerations I must refuse the cogent and sincere arguments of the Deputy and to say that I am not able to accede to his request for the installations of such a course at Letterkenny.

Can the Minister say if there are any students from Ulster attending the course at Cork at the moment? Perhaps this is an unfair question to put to the Minister.

It is not an unfair question but I do not have the information available to me. However, I shall ascertain the position and communicate with the Deputy.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.00 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 28th October, 1976.

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