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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 20 Apr 1978

Vol. 305 No. 8

Adjournment Debate. - Aer Lingus Safety Standards.

I thank the Ceann Comhairle for permitting me to raise this matter on the Adjournment and the Minister for attending. He has a great deal on his plate these days and I have no wish to add unduly to his burden.

As the House is aware, the dispute between Aer Lingus management and certain staffs of this company has now continued for some five weeks. During this official strike the company have maintained partial services in two ways, by transferring staff to the functional areas from which staffs have withdrawn their labour, and by leasing in outside carriers for such services. I put it to the Minister that this action has begun to give rise to some apprehension both within and without the company, and I am raising this question because I feel that the public at large, and indeed the staffs concerned, are entitled to absolute assurance from the Minister that the very highest, most stringent air safety standards are being maintained in the most rigorous manner possible in all of that company's current operations. I assure the Minister and the House that I do not raise a matter of this nature lightly on any occasion. I do so in the context of the outstanding record of the company in regard to air safety. That record we, as Members of this House, are well aware is one of the foremost in the world.

I raise the issue in three aspects. It has been strongly represented to me that, for example, the ad hoc cabin staffing and crewing arrangements of the company are somewhat open to question. It has been seriously suggested to me that the staff transferred into those areas of work could not possibly have been adequately trained in the periods suggested, that necessarily they would not have had sufficient experience in many aspects of the work and that their individual suitability to meet the stringent requirements laid down, not only by the company but also by the responsible Department, might not have been fully certified. I ask for specific assurance from the Minister in that regard.

Secondly, it has been represented to me that in this dispute there has been some relaxation apparently in some of the procedures, particularly in what we call the paper work procedures which have been meticulously and stringently enforced by the company over the years. That has given ground for comment and concern. I ask the Minister to note it and if possible to comment on it today and to assure us in that regard also.

Thirdly, a view has been expressed to me that perhaps greater care and caution and greater check-outs are needed and should be exercised in relation to the leasing of aircraft. For example, it has been alleged that one of those leased craft was involved in a serious emergency incident in London airport and that it was not fully equipped for that incident. I ask the Minister to take note of that situation and if possible to have it reviewed. He may wish to make some observations in that regard.

The Minister and I know each other personally quite well, and senior management staff of Aer Lingus and I over the years have had some dealings, particularly with the trade union concerned, and I am well aware of the situation. I trust that the Minister, his staff, the company and their staff will accept that I am making these observations in a cautious and responsible manner. As a public representative and as a regular passenger with Aer Lingus I have the utmost regard for the role of our national airline and it is my wish—and the wish, I am sure, of every Member of this House—that not only should Aer Lingus and their staff prosper but that their outstanding record be maintained. I look forward, as I am sure the Minister does also, to an amicable settlement of the protracted dispute and to an improvement in the climate of industrial relations in that company.

I would be entirely lacking in my responsibility as a public representative when points are made to me if I should fail to bring those matters to the attention of the Minister and the House and to seek the Minister's observations and assurance on them. It is, therefore, in that setting that I raise the matter here this evening. I appreciate that the Minister may not be in a position to reply, or that with the delicacy of an industrial relations situation within the company he may be very constrained in his reply. Having said as few words as possible on the matter and having taken as little time as possible here, I have nevertheless raised the matter and I ask the Minister to consider the points I have raised directly to him.

I appreciate the manner in which Deputy Desmond raised this matter. I am glad to be able to inform him that there has been no down-grading of the civil aviation safety standards and that my concern in this area is to ensure that the high safety standards in which Aer Lingus take a justifiable pride are maintained. The Irish civil aviation safety standards are embodied in various air navigation and transport Acts and are based on standards and recommendations promulgated by the International Civil Aviation Organisation and the European Civil Aviation Conference. Our orders made under the Principal Act detail the various technical and operational requirements. The purpose of these Orders is to provide criteria of safe operating practice and to contribute to the efficiency of international air transport.

All Aer Lingus aircraft operate in accordance with our safety requirements. The Deputy mentioned the leased aircraft and I can tell him that the aircraft leased to Aer Lingus operate in accordance with the requirements of both the ICAO and the state of registration. The aircraft are wetleased—that means cabin and flight crews are provided by owners—from companies who, to the knowledge of Aer Lingus, operate to high safety standards. The leased aircraft are mainly registered in western Europe and the United States. Aer Lingus have declined to accept lease offers from certain owners, who, to their knowledge, did not meet high air safety standards. I am not aware of the case made by Deputy Desmond in relation to one aircraft but I can look that up.

Article 22 of the Air Navigation (Operations) Order, 1964 requires operators of public transport aircraft to provide an operations manual, usually consisting of general safety policy, pilots' technical manual and flight guide, for the use and guidance of flight crew members and operations personnel. Aer Lingus, as operators of leased aircraft, ensure that they are operated in compliance with this operations manual.

Monitoring of safety standards is carried out by officers of the aeronautical section of my Department mainly by ensuring that aircraft are maintained and operated in accordance with approved schedules, by licensing and checking personnel where appropriate and by maintaining a general overview of aviation activity. I can assure the House that in no circumstances will there be any relaxation of the high safety standards on which civil aviation here has always been operated.

The Deputy raised the question of cabin crews. I understand that a number of management grades underwent a course in safety procedures. This course was conducted by Aer Lingus training pilots and on completion of the course the people concerned passed an examination prepared by Aer Lingus to standards that are approved by the aeronautical operations section of the Department. All of these cabin crew replacements have long service with Aer Lingus. Some of them have operated as flight crew members. Aspects of aviation safety covered in the course included cabin evacuation, fire, loss of cabin pressure, emergency landing and so on.

The normal cabin crew training for new recruits extends to a five-week period and includes many other items apart from safety precautions. So far as I am aware there is no relaxation in the standards necessary for the paperwork.

I join with the Deputy in expressing the hope that there will be an amicable settlement soon to this dispute.

May I ask one brief question?

Just one question.

Will the Minister check out with the company the points I have made as he may not have been aware of some of them?

Yes. I will do that.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 25 April 1978.

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