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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 8 Jun 1978

Vol. 307 No. 5

Restrictive Practices (Confirmation of Order) Bill, 1978: Second and Subsequent Stages .

: I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The object of this Bill is to confirm an order made by the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy, under the Restrictive Practices Act, 1972, in March of this year amending the Restrictive Practices (Groceries) Order, 1973.

I will explain briefly why the 1973 order was made and what it set out to do. The order was made on the recommendation of the Restrictive Practices Commission following a public inquiry under the restrictive practices legislation to eliminate certain unfair practices in the supply and distribution of grocery goods.

The decade or so prior to this inquiry had been a period of great change in the grocery trade. The emergence of multiple supermarkets had brought about a quickening in competition at the retail level and had profoundly affected the traditional methods by which goods found their way from manufacturer to retailer and ultimately to the shopper. The traditional wholesaler and retailer had done their best to remain competitive by forming voluntary groups to match the multiples' buying power and by introducing such new ideas as cash and carry outlets to make their distribution system more efficient. They felt, however, that something more needed to be done to deal with certain unfair practices they claimed had arisen because of the multiples' importance in the market. They argued that it had become so important to suppliers to ensure that their products were carried by this expanding sector of the retail trade that they supplied them on terms which amounted to unfair discrimination against the rest of the trade. The inquiry was devoted chiefly to the examination of this question of unfair terms.

In their report, the commission concluded that many suppliers had terms which discriminated unfairly against wholesalers and the smaller retailer. The prevailing structure of terms and the concession often extended by suppliers of making small deliveries of goods at frequent intervals to individual branches of multiples did not encourage economies in distribution and did not reflect the true savings which occurred in making large deliveries. The commission considered that these abuses should be set right in the public interest by means of a ministerial order under the restrictive practices legislation.

There were a number of other recommendations generally designed to restore fairness in the trade. They dealt with such matters as the registration of terms, a ban on advertising allowances and a prohibition on below-cost advertising of grocery goods. An order, which had to be slightly amended some months afterwards, was made in 1973 to implement these recommendations.

A frank assessment by the Examiner of Restrictive Practices in a report to the commission in November 1974 was that the order had done little to change the structure of terms and conditions in favour of the wholesaler and smaller retailer. The examiner gave the following reasons in his report. In the first place suppliers complained that the order did not state clearly what changes they were required to make in their terms and conditions but placed the onus on them of deciding what weight to put on delivery costs. Their assessment of these costs did not in general coincide with that of the wholesalers who felt that there were major economies in large deliveries. Another difficulty was the fear of the smaller wholesaler who served sparsely populated regions that he might not be able to handle large deliveries—these fears were shared by manufacturers as for many, these wholesalers were their only link with the smaller country retailer. Much more significant was the reaction of a number of supermarket chains and retailer buying groups to the introduction by some suppliers of new terms agreed with the examiner. The suppliers were told that their products would no longer be stocked leaving them with little choice but to go back to their older terms. These were the reasons for which the examiner requested in November 1974 the Restrictive Practices Commission to review this part of the order. In their report of the review, the commission felt that their views following the 1971 inquiry on how fairness might be achieved in terms and conditions were still valid. They felt, however, that a mistaken emphasis had been placed by suppliers on delivery costs leaving them to concentrate on increasing delivery sizes. They agreed that economies could lie elsewhere in distribution and suppliers should be free to take these into account in their terms while still being required to ensure fairness towards all seeking supplies. They recognised that large buyers could prevent a move towards terms which might lessen an advantage that they had enjoyed but felt that this was something best dealt with in more general legislation.

The commission were aware that the increased freedom of buyers to import groceries made it necessary that suppliers should not be unduly restricted or prevented from making the most of the advantage they had in being physically close to some of their important buyers. Article 4 of the amending order, made on the lines recommended by the commission, gives suppliers this increased freedom to take account of all the economics of supply and distribution to different buyers, having regard to their own interests, while still requiring them to operate equitable terms.

In their report of the 1971 inquiry the commission had recognised that the purchasing power of certain buyers was used to extract very favourable terms from suppliers. As a remedy they felt that the responsibility for complying with published terms should be shared by purchasers. They should, they felt, be prohibited from inducing suppliers to grant them goods on terms other than their published terms and conditions. The order implemented the commission's recommendation but in practice it did not work well as important buyers obtained goods on more favourable terms and conditions, not by coercing suppliers, but by refusing to pay their bills on time. The commission felt that something needed to be done about this but they felt that the solution did not lie in imposing a general requirement on purchasers to comply with credit terms, rather the unfair or unreasonable taking of excess credit should be prohibited.

I agree fully with the commission that this is a problem that needs to be dealt with. People may argue that suppliers have a remedy in the civil law to obtain payment of debts but the reality is that many suppliers are afraid to make use of this so as not to lose an important outlet for their goods. I believe this fear is a real one and that the creditor's rights in law need to be reinforced by making these abuses of economic power offences. At first sight this practice may not seem unfair but the reality is that it is simply another way of getting goods on unjustifiably favourable terms.

The commission recognised, and there will be little argument about this, that the concern about failure to pay arises only where the purchaser has real economic power which the supplier is understandably reluctant to provoke by pressing for payment. This is reflected in the amending order.

It may be argued that this provision, effectively enforced, will make it less attractive for some purchasers to deal with Irish suppliers and as a result may encourage them to obtain more goods from abroad. I do not believe, however, that the powerful Irish purchaser will be able to make some of the demands on foreign suppliers that are made of Irish suppliers. It could also be argued that it would not be economic for some of the more powerful purchasers to go abroad for their grocery goods on the basis that they may be in a position where they could not handle a large volume of imports economically. I do not believe, therefore, that there will be a strong movement to foreign suppliers and it is to be hoped that the new regime will not lead to this.

I would now like to turn briefly to some of the less important changes which the amending order brings about. First, in regard to fresh and frozen meat the commission felt that the arguments submitted to them by the trade justified treating fresh and frozen meat in the same way as other perishable goods that had been excluded from the order. Article 3 makes this change. The commission were asked to exclude other products but they felt that the added flexibility which the amending order would allow to suppliers would enable them to overcome any problems.

Secondly, in regard to own-label goods, suppliers of these goods were critical of the requirement in Article 3 of the original order that they include their terms for the supply of these goods in their published statement. This might encourage demand for these goods to the detriment of their own branded product and this was hardly in their interest. The commission felt that the provisions in the order about fairness in terms and conditions should continue to apply to these goods but were willing to concede that suppliers' terms for their supply need not be included in their published statement of terms and conditions. Article 4 implements this recommendation and Article 6 implements the commission's other suggestion that the examiner should continue to have power to request details about these goods.

Thirdly, in regard to supplementary terms, the commission, in their report of the 1971 inquiry, were not sympathetic to supplementary terms, that is, terms additional to standard ones often negotiated confidentially with large suppliers. The 1973 order implemented their recommendation that these should not be allowed to become so important as to lessen substantially the benefit of standard terms. There was some difficulty about the interpretation of this provision and Article 4 of the amending order implements the commission's solution to the problem.

Fourthly, in regard to registration of suppliers' terms and conditions, the original order required suppliers to lodge their terms and conditions with the Examiner of Restrictive Practices and to adhere to these. The commission accepted the examiner's argument that this provision did not work well in practice and Article 6 will provide that suppliers need only lodge their terms with the examiner at his request. The amending order also carries out some minor rearrangements of a number of provisions but I do not think these need to be commented on by me.

The unique position of the grocery sector in distribution makes it rather difficult to apply stringent guidelines. This uniqueness, which derives principally from the sector's importance to each and every household and the immediate impact of changes in the sector on household management, will always provide an incentive to competition. It also explains the remarkable growth of the multiple chains and their powerful influence on suppliers' trading terms. The inroads of the multiples have produced a combination of powerful buyers from the traditional system that they threatened. In the middle we have the Irish supplier trying to sell profitably, faced with increased competition from foreign goods and hoping to run his business so as not to alienate any section of the trade. I am confident that the measures contained in the order which this Bill will confirm, together with other provisions of the original orders, will serve to remove some of the greater examples of unfairness in the trade by way of introducing a certain flexibility.

The Restrictive Practices Act, 1972, provides that orders of this kind shall not have effect unless they are confirmed by an Act of the Oireachtas. The Bill now before the Dáil is the confirming Bill which is necessary to give the force of law to the order. The order, however, may not be amended but must be accepted or rejected as it stands.

I think it will go some way to clarify and improve the present unsatisfactory situation resulting from the difficulties with the original order made in 1973. For this reason I have no hesitation in recommending the Bill to the Dáil.

: Broadly speaking, I welcome this order with, of course, the reservation in the final paragraph of the Minister's opening speech to the effect that the order will go only some way towards alleviating some of the problems. That was a fair admission. The Minister is aware, as we are all aware, that this order will not cure all the ills affecting this area of activity in our economy. The area being dealt with concerns all of us as consumers. It relates to the purchasing and distribution of groceries which are something we all consume to greater or lesser degree.

With regard to the difficulties involved, the position, as I see it, is that we are dealing basically with two groups, the multiples on one side and the smaller grocer on the other side. It is a question of how to give the consumer a fair deal by passing on to him the benefit of all the discounts available and, at the same time, ensure that you do not discriminate against the smaller grocer with the lower purchasing power. That is the dilemma in which the Minister finds herself, I am quite sure, and the contents of any order of this nature will be coloured by that concern.

The other major area is the area of monopoly in the grocery trade. The Minister mentioned competition which would ensure a fair deal to the consumer in the long run. She also mentioned the powerful influence of the multiples, their purchasing power in buying in bulk and in buying in a combined fashion. At the moment there is a trend towards what I would see as a monopoly situation in the grocery trade in that there could be cartels with 50, 60 or possibly 70 per cent of total purchases of groceries in the hands of possibly four or five multiples. All they have to do is to stop this cut-throat competition and we in this House could be powerless against what they might do.

I do not know what the answer is, but the danger is there. As time goes on, and we see certain developments taking place in the grocery trade, that danger will become more imminent. How near we are to a monopoly situation I do not know. In the past few months we had to discuss the situation in regard to car insurance. The same thing will apply here. To make matters worse, not only will those people be able to control the level of prices at the purchasing stage but, in doing so, there could be discrimination against the smaller trader, and the elimination of the smaller trader could possibly result. This order does not in any way affect that situation.

A weakness in the order is that where flexibility has been increased the multiples get their normal wholesale terms and in many cases they also get other discounts. They get discounts on quantity if they buy X tons or X gross. On the face of it, that seems fair. The order ensures that, if discounts are given, they must be quantified and they must be measurable. That is good in itself. As the Minister admitted, there is a problem where the multiple store are purchasing their commodities in bulk and not paying for them, even though money is available and they are not short of liquid assets to meet their debts. If the supplier presses for payment, he runs the risk of losing that customer, who may be his largest customer. The delay in payment beyond the agreed conditions is tantamount to a cash discount to the multiple. Where does this order get over that problem? Again, the small trader is at a loss in that he cannot avail of quantity discount because he is not purchasing in quantities which could be regarded as large enough to warrant such discount. These are some of the problems which arise.

While the case of a small individual grocer or retailer who fails to meet the deadlines for payment to his supplier may be looked at and scrutinised—for example, the supplier could determine that he was in no position to pay his debts on the spot because of his financial circumstances—in the case of the multiple there is no way in which the supplier can get over that problem. There is no way in which an order of this kind can solve the problem either, because of the pressures put by multiples on suppliers and manufacturers for terms which go way above those published or agreed on, or are even lawful from the point of view of fair trading.

These are some of the problems which face the House and the Minister in dealing with an area which is of paramount importance to all of us. This order is being made because of loopholes or difficulties encountered in the implementation of previous orders. As the Minister said, it goes some distance towards resolving some of the problems, but it does not deal with the worries which confront people in the business, for example, the massive influence of the multiples. It is possible that some day they will get together and wipe out the traditional small grocer through undercutting due to monopolies.

The Minister said:

In its report of the 1971 inquiry the Commission had recognised that the purchasing power of certain buyers was used to extract very favourable terms from suppliers.

In yesterday's papers there was a statement to the effect that a certain supplier was being boycotted by large multiples. I wonder is that kind of boycott illegal. I am not in a position to say whether it is.

This had gone on for months. Because the multiples did not get the terms which they thought they were entitled to and could extract through pressure, they took the simple way of boycotting this supplier. This very serious step shows the mentality behind the operations of these people. It also shows a very dangerous trend in that they know their strength and they know that without them those people would simply disappear and go out of business because the small trader cannot keep them in business. This is part of the problem and it is an indication of the influence and power which the multiples exert in extracting what they regard as their right from the suppliers.

All this at the moment would seem to be to the advantage of the consumer at the end of the queue, because any discounts extracted from the supplier will, hopefully, be passed on to the consumer. However, overriding all that advantage, in the midterm—not even the long-term—the danger is hanging over this country that we will find ourselves in the position in which we found ourselves in the case of insurance, where monopoly is established and the monster then extracts the last drop, not from the supplier, but from the consumer, and the tables are turned overnight.

These are the dangers to which I alert the Minister. I hope something will be done to ensure that this will not happen or, if it does happen, that we are in a position in so far as legislation is concerned to deal with it. Although not concerning the matter before the House, the delay in producing the Consumer Information Bill is disappointing as is also the delay in the appointment provided for in that Bill of a director of consumer affairs, especially in the light of the repeated assurances given by the Minister that this appointment would be made immediately after the Bill became an Act, which happened over three months ago.

Finally, I should like to refer to an omission in the order and I ask the Minister to clarify the position. The order we are dealing with amends Order S.I. No. 287/1973 made subsequent to the enactment of the Restrictive Practices Act. In the 1978 Order there is no reference to Statutory Instrument 287/1973. Anybody having to check back to find out what order this amends will find if he goes back to the Restrictive Practices Act that this is not amending that Act but amending an order made subsequent to the Act. This could create difficulties and I ask the Minister to explain or to say if it would not be desirable to have Order S.I. No. 287/ 1973 mentioned in the current order.

: I sympathise with the Minister of State in attempting to operate in this area. In effect what she is trying to do is to reconcile the inevitable logic of commercialism with the social requirements of protecting small traders in certain areas. In the Fianna Fáil Manifesto there is a clause, which I quote from memory, attempting to reinforce the fabric of rural Ireland, and the small shopkeeper is essential to the fabric not merely of rural Ireland but of many small communities. I, on behalf of the Labour Party, have no major objection to the intent behind this order or to the objectives outlined in the Minister's speech, but I suggest for future reference that it would be of use in the context of consumerism generally that we look at something beyond the narrow confines of the price and the article being purchased in the supermarket today or tomorrow. This is what Deputy O'Toole was coming round to. We leave ourselves open to the possibility not just of monopolies taking over control of our multiples but, in turn, of our multiples, by force of pressure of commercialism and nothing else, opting to purchase the surplus products of food processing plants not in this country but in other countries. The improvement in the technology of transport and so on has made this all the more possible, and the surplus products of a biscuit factory in London or Liverpool can be put in a container, rolled across the Irish Sea and appear on our supermarket shelves the following day.

It is a complex area. The Minister of State has a difficult job in it. She has done a good day's work in coming to the House with this order today. In the honesty of her speech she has recognised the limitations of what can be done. I would like to follow up Deputy O'Toole's concluding point seeking to clarify the real interests of the Irish consumer. Are they really simply the lowering of prices or the improvement of quality protection, and do they not logically extend to a broader framework of the requirements of people who live in a community, who consume all the services of that community, including the social service that the small shop or family business provides? Does that fall within the ambit of the consumer?

This is a new area for all of us. It is not a party area in the sense of being a party partisan area, but there are at the base of it very fundamental ideological values. I would welcome if at some future date that the Minister of State—the first Minister of State with responsibility for consumer affairs—in the context of the problems which she has identified today would come back and attempt to define the basis upon which small shopkeepers and family businesses can be reinforced. Simply tinkering around with orders of this kind, attempting to undo the inevitable logic of commercial practices in the way that this tries to do, will be at best a stop-gap measure. We need some recognition of the social role of such businesses and how that can be sustained. The Minister for the Environment might include it in derating, for example, or alternatively in some form of favourable tax provision. It goes beyond the narrow brief of the Minister of State. If we want to protect these businesses, who are fundamentally at a disadvantage which will increase from day to day irrespective of what can be done by the Department of Industry, Commerce and Energy, a redefinition of the role of this kind of firm is essential.

I take this opportunity to express satisfaction that the Minister of State has come into the House and removed some of the difficulties that arose in the previous order. I ask her to give some thought in the future to addressing herself to some of those problems to which she has given recognition in her statement.

: I thank Deputy O'Toole and Deputy Quinn for their welcome of this Bill. I should like to refer to a few matters raised. The first is the point which Deputy O'Toole raised at the end of his contribution regarding the fact that there is no reference in this Bill to Statutory Instrument No. 287/1973. The Department sought the advice of the Attorney General and we were informed that it is practice to refer only to the principal order. That is the reason the amending order has not been referred to specifically here. With regard to the desirability that references should be made, I agree with the Deputy that orders of this kind should be consolidated if only for the purpose of clarity. I can assure the Deputy that I will look into this matter.

: Would it be possbile to have it included as a foot note or somewhere in Statutory Instrument No. 287 of 1973?

: Having regard to the advice of the Attorney General I do not think it would be right to do that now but I will keep it in mind for the future.

: I appreciate that it may not be legally necessary to do this but it would be more practical and better for clarity purposes.

: To consolidate the order is probably the best way to do that. Deputies O'Toole and Quinn raised a point that a monopoly situation could develop in the grocery trade but I do not think this could happen because approximately 60 per cent of grocery goods or items are sold by independents who are independent of the multiples. We all know that the multiples are in competition in this area and it is probably the keenest competition we have in our economy. I do not think that competition is likely to disappear as long as the housewives are prepared to demand competition of this type. We all know that the multiples compete with each other.

: On the basis that 60 per cent are independent then 40 per cent are multiples?

: That is correct and they compete among themselves. Abuses which were mentioned are, of course, abuses which the Restrictive Practices Act was enacted to deal with. Given the present degree of competition I do not think there is any danger that the multiples can join together to form collective purchasing. With regard to the question of boycotts I am very sensitive about the whole aspect of the boycott situation. I appreciate the problems that have arisen and I hasten to assure the Deputies that I am taking steps immediately to have the matter urgently examined. Any remedial action that may need to be taken will be taken.

As Deputy Quinn pointed out small traders in rural areas provide an important social service to the communities in those areas. One of the objects of this Bill is, as far as possible, to obtain equitable terms for these grocers. They will get the same terms as the multiples will get through their wholesaler or through the retail buying groups. The Deputies opposite have recognised that this is a rather complex area, an area which cannot be cured by any Bill. We must continue to ask the Restrictive Practices Commission to investigate all cases referred to them where unfair practices are seen to be developing. When these are brought to light the Minister responsible will introduce orders to prevent such unfair practices.

: With regard to the question of investigation of complaints, do I take it that the examiner is an independent person apart from the commission? If the commission get a complaint will they investigate it and pass it on to the examiner if they feel there are grounds to do so.

: The complaint will be made to the examiner and if there is a need for investigation he will carry it out. He may ask the commission to investigate it also.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment and passed.
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