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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 23 Mar 1982

Vol. 333 No. 2

Adjournment Debate. - Closure of Mogul Mines.

I thank the Chair for this opportunity to raise this very important matter this evening and the Minister for taking the time to remain in this House to consider it. I would also like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Leas-Cheann Comhairle on his appointment and to wish the Minister well in his very important job. His two ministries are vitally concerned with the problems I have to outline this evening.

No mining operation can last forever because the resources reaped from the ground are not limitless. Unfortunately Mogul are coming to the end of what has been, for them and for everyone in North Tipperary, a benefit which has given great prosperity. The Silvermines operations are based a few miles outside Nenagh. That town has developed many businesses from the prosperity the mines have brought to the area which has made Nenagh a very successful town. The workforce in Mogul mines amounted to just over 500 — mainly male-dominated — coming from all parts of Tipperary. Their wages are in excess of £5 million per annum and have proved to be of great benefit to the area.

Within a very few miles of the Silvermines there is a very poor area, Sliabh Felim, part of which has been designated as a disadvantaged area under the EEC disadvantaged areas scheme. The existence of the Mogul operation for the past 15 years has been of tremendous benefit to this area. It is a sorry day for North Tipperary that that period of prosperity is coming to an end. I want to ask the Minister to try to extend the period of operation of the Mogul mines to ensure that we can obtain the maximum benefit from this natural resource and to allow us time to attract an alternative industry and ensure that the impact of the closure of Mogul mines will be softened as much as possible.

Everybody has known for several years that the Mogul mines operation had to come to an end. In 1978-79 there was great concern because the value of ore on the world market was at a new low. People were concerned that Mogul might not be able to continue in operation. Thankfully the price of ore rose and the immediate concern passed. In 1979 it was anticipated that the Mogul operation would continue for another four or five years and it was estimated that there was sufficient ore left in the ground to keep the business in operation for at least five years and possibly six or seven years. Now, three years later, because of the rise in energy costs the Mogul operation can no longer continue. I say it can no longer continue because it is a private enterprise that must make money if it is to continue in being. Unfortunately the imposition of increased electricity charges has forced the mine in the last year or two into a loss-making operation which the company feel they cannot tolerate. That is the problem we have to deal with tonight.

A few minutes ago the Minister said that action was needed. Whatever about the National Enterprise Agency or the National Development Corporation and the action he is about to provide for them, let me assure him that he is right: action is needed in relation to the problem I am outlining. Given the expressed commitment of the Government to maintain employment at its highest peak and ridding ourselves, in so far as we can, of unemployment, I have every confidence the Minister will commit himself to giving the kind of assistance I am asking to enable this company to continue in operation.

For the benefit of the House I want to indicate the type and extent of the operation we are talking about. The Silvermines operation is enormous, employing over 500 people. Each year salaries and wages amount to over £5 million. One can imagine the effect this money has on what is largely a rural community. The State is a great beneficiary. In 1980-81 the State received £1.4 million by way of income tax and PRSI contributions. CIE, our national transport company, in freight charges alone received £302,000 in 1981 and the local authority, of whom I am a member and who are always concerned about financial difficulties, in 1982 would stand to benefit by a sum in excess of £80,000 in rates. This operation is very important in an area which can be readily identified as having a declining population. I do not want to go into that point at the moment because we do not have the time.

The cost to the State in unemployment benefit in 1982-83 if the Mogul operation closes has been estimated at £5 million. The problem facing the people of North Tipperary was not the inevitable closure of the mines — we knew that was going to happen — but the people were shocked and horrified at the proximity of the closure date announced by Mogul. I regret having to say all this because Mogul have played an important part in the economic and social life of my constituency but the fact remains that they did not conduct themselves well when they announced on 4 February that the mines would not last longer than the end of July in any circumstances. The requirement under statute is to give two months' notice which means that the mines could be closed before the end of July. That sort of time scale is not sufficient for the IDA to do all they need to solve our problems nor is it sufficient for the Minister or the Government, to try to solve that problem.

I am particularly shocked that the board of Mogul gave that sort of notice in view of the fact that there were constant negotiations between public representatives, the county manager, the IDA and Mogul on an ongoing basis for the past few years. For example, on 4 February the county manager met representatives from the board of Mogul and he did not get any indication that an imminent closure was planned. On 26 February Mr. White, managing director of the IDA, met representatives of the company, six days before the announcement of the closure, but no indication was given that it was planned to close the mines next July at the latest.

In my view this company have given a lot to County Tipperary but they have also got a lot out of the county. They have made many millions of pounds profit from our rich natural resource but they have a responsibility to discharge and they have not done so. Having criticised Mogul, in fairness, I must compliment them. The redundancy payments for their workers have been extremely generous. The redundancy provisions they have made are over five times their statutory obligations. While I compliment them for that, I in no way accept that as discharging their responsibility to help to organise some sort of handover in employment to agencies like the IDA who have a massive job trying to find alternative positions to cushion the blow for the people in my constituency.

The IDA have been conscious of the difficulties which would arise by the closure of these mines. In their industrial plan published in 1978 they articulated the problems that would be faced in the North Tipperary region by the closure of the Silvermines which they regarded as a predominant consideration. Although the IDA have come nowhere near a situation which will ensure that the impact of this closure will be minimised to a significant extent, they have done a fair amount. They have been working hard to promote new industries in the region.

Having complimented the IDA I have a word of criticism also regarding what they have indicated in a recent press statement about what they have done. I do not know whether the Minister has seen the press release concerned but I assume he has the information. In that press release the IDA indicate, though they do not so state expressly, that 550 jobs have been provided as a result of promotion by them since 1978-79. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Very many of the industries listed in that press release pre-existed the IDA industrial plan for 1978-82. While they were grant-aided, some 300 of them pre-existed the plan. The fact is that the IDA have attracted five new industries into the Nenagh area in the past three or four years. These are industries in respect of which the IDA said that at full production there would be 711 jobs involved, whereas the outturn has been 211 jobs. One can see readily therefore that the work has not been done, that the IDA have not had sufficient time to minimise the impact of the closure of the mines. The reality is that not enough industry has been introduced to make an impact on the area. In these circumstances the IDA must be given a greater opportunity to fulfil their responsibilities, a responsibility that I am very confident they can fulfil. In order to promote the area it will be necessary to designate it. I am confident that the Minister will give them the resources they need but the critical factor is that of time. I am hoping that the IDA will be given the necessary time as a result of this discussion tonight.

The only alternative to the closure of the mines is the provision of additional jobs in the area and that is why the IDA must attract new industry to the region. In this way we will be ensuring that the £5 million that is available there by way of wages will not be lost but that cannot be done in the course of two or three months. The mining operation must be continued until the £1 million or more tons of ore are exploited and in that context we are talking about a period of 18 months. The company have lost money in the past year or two. Their biggest burden for this year is an ESB bill estimated at £2.3 million. I am asking the Minister to subsidise that energy bill so that the mine may continue in operation for at least 18 months after July next and in order to give the IDA a breathing space in which to get on with the job of attracting alternative industry to the area.

There are compelling arguments in favour of that subsidy. Although the company have been losing money the fact remains that there is a natural resource under the ground in the Silvermines and that the machinery for its extraction is available. As a general principle the Government should ensure that the ore is extracted because regardless of what price fluctuations there may be in the price of this mineral in the future it will never again be economical to mine it if we allow the machinery to be run down or sold.

The IDA have plans for the building of a 24,000 sq. ft. advance factory at Lisbonney. Planning permission is being applied for but there is no prospect of all that procedure being completed and the factory being built within a few months. The factory must be built in order to attract new industry to the area but we must give the IDA sufficient time. Another factor is the availability of talented fitters and other workers at the mine. These are people who could be employed in other industries but we must have these other industries first.

Another aspect of the matter is that the State would save about £5 million in 1982-83 in terms of unemployment benefit, pay-related benefits and so on. That is a strong argument for keeping the mine open for a further period. In addition, the State will gain about £1.14 million by way of PAYE returns and pay-related payments in that time while CIE will benefit to the tune of between £300,000 and £450,000 by the mine being kept open.

We are talking about a site in North Tipperary which has a tremendous infrastructural advantage. There is an unlimited water supply and an electricity supply which would cost a fortune to introduce into a new area. This makes it ideal for the introduction of another heavy industry but if it is not possible to attract such an industry the IDA must endeavour to bring in a number of industries to the site. Otherwise it will go to loss.

Perhaps the Deputy would allow me a few minutes in which to support him.

I will do what I can to facilitate the Deputy.

The Chair would remind the Deputies that there are only three minutes remaining before the Minister is called.

Having regard to the revenue——

Am I to take it that Deputy Moloney is not giving way to Deputy O'Kennedy?

I will conclude as quickly as possible. The revenue generated in the area is of great importance. The figures given to the Minister are sufficient grounds for the subsidisation I am asking for. There are many instances of companies being subsidised in this way. In their last days in office the Coalition were presented with the proposal to close the mine and they sent in consultants to examine the feasibility of subsidisation. I understand that the report which resulted from that exercise is on the Minister's desk and I hope that he will give it favourable consideration. The chairman of the board of the company has indicated that if they are subsidised in this way they will be prepared to keep the plant in operation for as long as possible but not in a situation in which they continue to lose money. The Lisbonney factory in itself will not be sufficient. I have never known the IDA to go into an area where there was an impending closure without saying that they were giving that area top priority, but more is needed in this case. The region must be designated for a limited period.

Decentralisation of Government offices is something that Deputy O'Kennedy knows all about. He has indicated that the Government will provide the necessary finance to establish offices of the Revenue Commissioners in Nenagh. I urge the Deputy to put his weight behind this move so as to ensure that the necessary office building can be provided and that we can look forward to up to 200 civil servants coming into the area.

I trust that the commitment made by Fianna Fáil in the course of the general election campaign to provide £5 million for the development of the sugar factory in Thurles will be honoured. The Sugar Company plans to invest only £3.6 million in the Thurles factory in the next four to five years. That is why I hope that the finance promised by Fianna Fáil will be forthcoming and that investment will be made in that plant in Thurles within the next couple of years.

I ask the Minister to meet the deputation which the local county development team will be requesting him to meet. I was at a meeting in Nenagh last night. I understand Deputy O'Kennedy could not be there. I ask the Minister to involve himself actively. He must provide the impetus between the company, the local authority and the IDA to ensure that this operation stays active for a year and a half to provide alternative employment in the area to prevent the dreadful economic shock which will hit north Tipperary in the event of the closure of Mogul of Ireland and to provide an opportunity for the people employed there to start new industries and get alternative jobs and keep the employment clock ticking over, difficult though that is, in the constituency.

The Chair regrets that because Deputy Molony has used every second of every minute there is no time available unless the Minister is prepared to yield some of his time.

I could have done with another ten minutes.

The Minister is giving five minutes to Deputy O'Kennedy.

I appreciate the fact that the Minister is giving me five minutes of his time. This matter has been of considerable importance in the area for some time. I am glad to have the opportunity to add my voice to what Deputy Molony has said. I should like to give some encouragement and reassurance to the people in the area having regard to the record of the Government now in office. The Minister has shown that the activity of the Government is being maintained. He has just got the consultants' report. I know he will receive a deputation from the county development team which he was asked to do at the meeting last night. Deputy Molony went into a number of details which the Minister can hardly have considered since the report has just arrived on his desk. If the Minister receives this deputation it will be an encouragement and reassurance to the people of the area.

The activities of the Fianna Fáil Government in regard to this mine give scope for encouragement and reassurance. I was a member of the Government in 1978-79 when the difficulties arose. The arrangement made by the Government with Mogul at that time ensured that their activities would continue up to now at least. I cannot say what happened over the past six-and-a-half or seven months. It is a little surprising that the then Government should have been taken by surprise because there were indications that this might happen. I agree with Deputy Molony that, when the proposed closure came, it came as a shock. I cannot imagine why Deputies on the Government side of the House at that time could not have alerted the Minister and asked him to be a little more active.

The company did not say anything.

They should have been aware of what the public were conscious of at the time. Time has been lost but I am confident that the Minister and the Government will make up for it. The five industries spoken about by Deputy Molony were established in the area during the period 1977-81 by the Government of the day. We must look at the projections for increased employment in these industries which were established for that specific purpose. I know the Minister will address himself to that matter to maximise employment in the industries which were established in the Nenagh industrial estate — which is behind my own house — and which I was instrumental in having established, and in the new industrial estate which, as a member of the Government, I was also instrumental in having established, and in the advance factory. We have a 60-acre site which is almost unique. I am quite sure this consistent pattern will be maintained, including the development of an advance factory for the IDA. This will involve a review of existing targets and I am sure that will be done.

The second point refers to redundancy provisions. It is vitally important that the provision I included, if I may say so modestly, in the Finance Act, 1980, when I was Minister for Finance, to increase the exemptions for first-time redundancy to £10,000 is used to advantage in the area. This means that there must be consultations with the workforce on what they would see as being in the best interests of themselves and the company. I am quite sure the Minister will ensure that the funds available to them will be used to provide alternative employment.

I did not announce and I could not announce that the Government are going ahead with the decentralisation programme. I said that I am very confident the Government will cancel the decision of the previous Government who in turn cancelled the decision of the Fianna Fáil Government to put decentralised offices in Nenagh.

That is not correct. The Deputy was in Brussels.

I am quite confident that the Government will go ahead with the decentralisation programme. This will give a very considerable boost to the economy of the area. I know that the Minister with his commitment will be active in that direction.

The Deputy reversed the commitment he gave to the committee.

The Minister has five minutes to conclude.

I should like to thank Deputy Molony for his good wishes for my success in my new Department. I can assure him and Deputy O'Kennedy and the people of north Tipperary that no effort will be spared by me or any of the agencies under my control to solve the problems in north Tipperary. I am very conscious of the tremendous shock caused to that area when the closure was announced. It was not really news to the people of the area because it was known for three or four years that it would happen sooner or later. We have to get in there and do as much work as possible in advance.

I will not go into all the efforts made by the IDA. The chief executive of the IDA was down there. He had meetings with SFADCo and he did everything he could for the area. He put various suggestions and propositions to the company. He has assured me that the company will assist the IDA in their promotional efforts in Canada and the USA to try to provide alternative employment as soon as possible. I am sure everybody appreciates that every effort will be made by the IDA, SFADCo and myself to solve the problems. We all know the social repercussions of a major closure of that kind. We know the effect it has on the local economy. I am concerned about the situation and I will do all I can to alleviate it.

Deputy Molony made various suggestions and he appeared to be putting all the answers in my mouth. His own Government were not unaware of the situation and, if some of the suggestions he made to me had been put to his own Government, they might have had some effects on the operations of Mogul.

There was no request from Mogul.

Everybody knows that a limited amount of poor quality ore is available up to 1984. The consultants' report arrived on my desk this morning. It was overoptimistic for Deputy Molony to jump the gun and expect that the conclusions in the report could have been analysed in a matter of hours. He mentioned the ESB and the high cost of energy. I want to remind Deputy Molony that last July his Government gave a 25 per cent increase to the ESB. We did not want to give it to them and subsequent events have proved that we were correct. We saw what happened to the energy crisis in the past seven months. If that Government had appreciated the problems in Deputy Molony's constituency and other constituencies we would not be feeling the repercussions we are having now.

That is an excellent reason to provide subsidies.

Is it?

The Dáil adjourned at 9 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 24 March 1982.

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