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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 23 Feb 1983

Vol. 340 No. 5

Trustee (Authorised Investments) Order, 1983: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann approves the following Order in draft:

Trustee (Authorised Investments) Order, 1983, a copy of which Order in draft was laid before the House on 17 January, 1983.

The Trustee (Authorised Investments) Act, 1958, lists the investments in which trustees may invest trust funds unless forbidden by the instrument, if any, creating the trust. The trust deed of course may extend trustees' powers of investment beyond those set out in the Act. According to section 2 of the 1958 Act, the Minister for Finance may vary the authorised investments by order. Over the years changes in the list have been put forward when deemed appropriate, the most recent order having been made in 1979. Before the Minister may make the order a draft must be laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas and a resolution of approval must be passed by each House.

The draft order now before the House proposes to authorise trustees to place trust funds in interest-bearing deposit accounts in three non-associated banks. This will bring to 31 the number of licensed banks in which trust funds may be deposited. The Central Bank has recommended that trustee status be granted in these three cases. The criteria on the basis of which the Central Bank made its recommendations are:

(a) All the banks are, or are owned by, institutions in which the Central Bank has a high level of confidence,

(b) All of the banks have gross assets and gross domestic assets in excess of the minimum qualification of £15 million,

(c) All the banks have satisfactory capital levels,

(d) Each bank is in compliance with the bank's licensing and supervision standards.

Under section 2 (3) of the Trustee (Authorised Investments) Act, 1958, the Minister for Finance is obliged to consult with the following persons in regard to the terms of any order he proposes to make to vary the list of investments:—A judge of the High Court nominated by the Chief Justice, the Public Trustee, the Governor of the Central Bank, the President of the Incorporated Law Society of Ireland, the Chairman of the Irish Banks' Standing Committee and the President of the Stock Exchange — Irish Unit. All the statutory requirements in this respect have been complied with.

I am satisfied that the banks named in the draft order are secure and suitable for the investment of trust funds. The order will further increase the range of investment opportunities open to trustees. I therefore commend the motion for approval by the House.

Fianna Fáil support this motion and our understanding of it is that it brings to 31 the number of licensed banks in which trust funds may be deposited. I should like to ask the Minister to tell the House how many of that number will be commercial banks and non-associated banks. The Minister has told us that one of the recommendations of the Central Bank was to the effect that all the banks have gross assets and gross domestic assets in excess of the minimum qualification of £15 million. I should like to know if that figure has been updated because in today's terms £15 million is a small amount. Is that figure being carried forward in the legislation because in terms of assets of any bank that sum is totally insignificant? It would not indicate if a bank was liquid or not. The figure is too small.

Originally the figure was £10 million. That figure is updated from time to time by the Central Bank to the amount they feel necessary. I should like to tell the Deputy that in the list of 31 there are four associated banks and 27 non-associated banks.

With regard to the number of people the Minister is obliged to consult in regard to this matter I should like to know why the Department of Finance feel it is necessary to consult so many people. Is the Department in a position to make some of the decisions involved or, in the final analysis, are the decisions made by the Department and, as a matter of courtesy, checked with the people mentioned by the Minister?

It is an important safeguard that the Department must consult the people mentioned. I accept that the Department would be capable of making the decisions in their own right, but in order to ensure that mistakes are not made the Department consults a judge of the High Court nominated by the Chief Justice, the Public Trustee, the Governor of the Central Bank, the President of the Incorporated Law Society of Ireland, the Chairman of the Irish Banks Standing Committee and the President of the Stock Exchange, Irish Unit. What the Deputy has suggested would be in order but as an extra safeguard consultations are held with the people mentioned.

Question put and agreed to.
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