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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 21 Jun 1983

Vol. 343 No. 10

Adjournment Debate. - Monaghan County Hospital.

The reason for asking for permission to raise this matter is a most extraordinary letter, probably one of the most extraordinary from any Department, which was presented to the North Eastern Health Board yesterday. The basis of that letter was that before permission would be given to the health board to build a hospital in your own town of Cavan, Sir, the board would have to give a commitment that the county hospital in Monaghan would be closed and disposed of. I shall quote one or two relevant passages from the letter:

It was intended initally that these three hospitals would close when the new hospital was commissioned.

The three hospital in question are Lisdarn, the surgical hospital in Cavan and the county hospital in Monaghan. There is no basis in fact that I can find for that. The last time a Minister wanted to downgrade the Monaghan hospital was when another Coalition Minister was in office, Mr. Corish, who is no longer in the House. In February 1976 he wrote to the health board stating that the county hospital, so designated, could commence to function as a community hospital. There was no question of closing the county hospital at that time. The letter presented to the North Eastern Health Board yesterday goes on to state:

Accordingly it is necessary for the Minister for Health to have a firm commitment form your Board that the three hospitals which were intended to be replaced by the new hospital will be closed as acute hospital facilities. The Minister also wishes to be informed of the Board's plans for the disposal of the properties.

In other words, the board were asked to get rid of these properties. As far as I am aware there was never any suggetion that Lisdarn should be got rid of: indeed it was to be incorporated as part of the new hospital complex in Cavan.

This is an extraordinary decision. It is extraordinary that a Coalition Government, just six months back in office, again have decided not alone, this time, to downgrade Monaghan County Hospital but to close it down and to sell it. It is a political decision and one could lay a lot of blame at the door of the Coalition Government for it, but I do not think that would be a correct thing to do. Our priority must be at all times to ensure good health care for all the people for whom we are responsible.

When the health board sent out the agenda, with the letter from the Department, the six Members of the Oireachtas from the area, Cavan and Monaghan, met the Minister and an official and pleaded with him in the interest of the good health of the people in the area to withdraw the letter, that it was totally unnecessary to have sent such a letter to the health board, passing the death sentence on the hospital. If the death sentence is passed on the hospital it will leave the area without hospital facilities, apart from those in Cavan, and it is fair to say that the surgical hospital in Cavan is probably the worst hospital building in the whole of Europe. Indeed, it is a tribute to the staff that they are able to carry on a surgical hospital there.

It is not my intention to go into the social and economic implications of the Government's decision. I believe the request of the elected representatives to the Minister to withdraw that letter was prompted by good sense to see that the needs for good medical care in the area are met. The immediate effect of that letter is, one, it will undermine public confidence in a hospital which is providing an excellent service for the community; two, it will demoralise the staff, nursing and ancillary; and three, if the excellent consultants there decide, because the death sentence has been passed on the hospital, to look for more secure employment in hospitals which the Minister does not intend to close — we do not know how many there will be — Monaghan County Hospital will not be able to attract the kind of staff necessary to ensure the good health of the people who use that hospital.

The Minister's letter also stated that subsequent commitments were given that Monaghan hospital would continue in use on the completion of the new hospital. That is correct. The present Leader of the Opposition, Deputy Haughey, when he was Minister for Health came to Monaghan to see for himself what was happening. He met the local county health committee. He told them, and I will use his own words:

I would like to avail of this opportunity to state categorically to the members of the Monaghan Health Committee that Monaghan County Hospital will be retained as a general hospital providing the full range of appropriate services for the people of County Monaghan. The status of Monaghan hospital will not be affected by the development of Cavan Hospital. Monaghan County Hospital will provide the following services — general surgery, general medicine, obstetrics and gynaecology, with the necessary back-up of radiology, pathology and laboratory services.

Later in that statement the then Minister stated:

I would like to remind everybody concerned that when I assumed office Monaghan County Hospital was scheduled to be downgraded to what was described as a Community Hospital. I reversed that decision. I have implemented the measures necessary to maintain a full-scale County Hospital in Monaghan. The future of Monaghan as a county hospital has been secured beyond doubt and I would like to suggest that everybody concerned should now devote their attention to building up and perfecting the community health services.

There is no word about closing it in that statement. We should contrast that with the letter which arrived at our health board offices yesterday. Following that message from the then Minister for Health, new appointments were made to the staff in Monaghan. In the Official Report of the Dáil for 27 June 1978, at column 1941, Deputy Haughey, the then Minister, is reported:

I have asked Comhairle na nOspidéal, and they have agreed, to provide the level of staffing necessary in both hospitals to satisfy the needs of their areas.

The two hospitals referred to were Tullamore and Monaghan. Since then, a second physician has been appointed. There are now two surgeons in Monaghan Hospital, there is a new full-time radiologist and two anaesthetists, and there is a full working laboratory. Monaghan County Hospital has become one of the finest hospitals in the country.

The bed occupancy is very important to statisticians and it is true that it has dropped over the last five years, but it is wrong and grossly unfair to take bed occupancy as a statistic on its own. If one looks at the medical unit alone in that hospital one sees that the number of patients treated increased by 4,000, the length of stay was reduced from 14 days to seven days, and the number of outpatients increased from 368 in 1977 to 2,233 in 1982. These are the significant figures. It is easy to keep beds full all the time; just keep people lying in them, but I would not recommend that. It would be wrong if the hospital were to be penalised because the bed occupancy dropped when one looks at the other figures which show this is a very active and improving unit.

The second physician was appointed. One of the physicians left the hospital two years ago. Last year a new appointment was made. The physician offered that appointment did not take it and the health board requested that they advertise again. Now, two years later, again with the Coalition in power, the answer I received to a question in this House on 14 June explained that a candidate was selected for appointment to this post following a competition by the Local Appointments Commission last year and he indicated to the health board that he did not wish to take up the appointment. In accordance with normal practice, because of the lapse of time since the last competition, the Minister said it will be necessary to readvertise the post and his Department will be writing shortly to the board in the matter. Has the Minister written to the board? What is the reason for the delay in making this very necessary appointment? The development of the Cavan hospital is at a very late stage. Tenders are due to be returned to the health board on 23 July. It is hoped that the hospital will commence in the autumn, probably September. Previous Minister for Health were satisfied to continue with this project because they know there is a need for a hospital in Cavan and it is important that the project should not be hindered.

The effect of the Minister's most extraordinary decision is to undermine confidence in Monaghan County Hospital, to demoralise the staff and to ensure that if for any reason a consultant leaves or transfers there will not be any replacement because no consultant will take a post in a hospital on which death sentence has been passed.

The members of the health board at a meeting yesterday, like the Members of the Oireachtas who met the Minister last week, were unanimous in their decision that Monaghan County Hospital should not be closed or downgraded. They asked the Minister to withdraw that letter and to visit both Monaghan and Cavan to meet the members of the health boards so that we could discuss in a rational and sensible way the needs of both Cavan and Monaghan and ensure that there will be proper health services in the area. It is extraordinary that a Minister would not listen to all the elected Members from Cavan and Monaghan representing the two major political parties. I hope the Minister will listen to the North-Eastern Health Board who have a major responsibility in this matter. As I said earlier, while this is a political decision for which the Government will have to accept responsibility we must be concerned primarily with the health of the people. Looking at this from any angle, certainly from the point of view of health care and as a political move, all I can say is that this decision was completely mad. Again I appeal to the Minister to withdraw that decision, allow Monaghan County Hospital to continue as a viable unit, and ensure that Cavan Hospital will commence on target this autumn.

Mr. Leonard

I would like to add my voice to that of Deputy O'Hanlon, but I will not go over the same ground. In the mid-seventies when Fianna Fáil were in power the then Minister for Health Deputy Haughey, reached a decision after long discussions with interested parties on the necessity for a hospital in this area. At that time there were many atrocities and bombings in the Monaghan area. As late as last week there was a shooting incident. A young married man was shot while in his own bathroom. If he had had to travel even 20 miles in all probability he would be dead today. In the Monaghan area there is a great deal of industry and it is an arterial route. The people of this area are entitled to this basic facility, that is, hospitalisation in emergencies.

The health board at their meeting yesterday passed a vote of confidence in that hospital and complimented the staff on the performance of their duties and mentioned how contented patients were. I ask the Minister to reconsider his decision. He has been invited to the area to look at the situation. It is a pity that he reached this decision before he saw the facilities which are required in Cavan and Monaghan. Again I invite him to meet the members of the North-Eastern Health Board who have proved down the years that they are very reasonable people. They put the care of the patients before any other consideration. If he visits our area I have no doubt that when he returns to Dublin he will change his decision. I ask him to listen very attentively to the request of the health board and to let the staff know if they have a future in that hospital.

I wish to remind Deputy O'Hanlon, Deputy Leonard, Deputy Wilson who is present, and yourself, a Cheann Comhairle, as Deputies for the Cavan-Monaghan constituency, that I face a continuing and very serious budget situation. The health services for which I have responsibility cannot be wholly excluded from this reality.

At present I am faced with an endless list of demands from various quarters for the provision of new and expanded facilities to deal with many health care problems. The capital cost of these demands totals £670 million. I have a major problem to maintain in 1983, not to mention the years ahead, the existing level of hospital and health care services, quite apart from considering any expansion of these services. As Deputies know, any expansion of these services requires the employment of a large number of additional staff. The previous Government introduced an embargo on employment and directed the various health agencies to reduce the number of staff employed by 5 per cent over the next few years. The present Government consider it necessary to continue that directive.

I am on record as having stated on a number of occasions that I consider a number of areas in the health services to have been very seriously neglected. Psychiatric patients have very few people to talk for them in this House. Geriatriac patients have very few people to talk for them in this House. The mentally handicapped have damn few people to talk for them in this House.

That is not so.

Deputy Faulkner is one of their most eloquent spokesmen. The services for the physically handicapped, the deaf and the blind need to be expanded. There is no money in 1983 and there is a prospect of very little money in 1984 to open a hostel and a workshop in Cootehill for children leaving the Holy Family School, Cootehill, or to open a day centre and a sheltered workshop for 40 adults at Oliver Plunkett Hospital in Dundalk. We have no money, and money must be found. We have no money for a day centre and a sheltered workshop in Monaghan town for 40 trainees, and money must be found to get this under way. In an area adjacent to Monaghan, in Drumcar, a hostel for adults needs to be opened, and a new unit for 20 severely handicapped girls there must be opened. We have no money, and money must be found.

In effect Deputies are asking me to build a new hospital in Cavan, a major hospital with 336 beds which will cost £21 million in 1983 prices over the next five years, and simultaneously to maintain a hospital in Monaghan. We must face reality. The background is that there is a proposed development of a new major hospital in Cavan. The firm date for the receipt of tenders for this development is 22 July 1983, and it is likely that construction could commence by early next November. Present planning is for a completion date towards the end of 1987. In the light of our recent experience with the construction industry it is possible that it could be completed six or nine months earlier — it could be ready for opening in March 1987 or so. The hospital in Cavan is designed and is being built to cater for a population of approximately 100,000 people in both Cavan and Monaghan. It was always in the planning brief that the Monaghan hospital would close when the new hospital was opened.

Mr. Leonard

No.

That is my clear understanding of the situation. At present prices it would cost £11 million to run the new hospital for a full year compared with a total cost of £8 million for the existing three hospitals. By opening the new hospital there will be a revenue cost increase of £3 million. As I said, the new hospital will provide 336 beds. It is planned to cater for the population of the catchment area of the two existing hospitals in Cavan and the general hospital in Monaghan. It will have modern purpose-planned accommodation with the most up-to-date equipment. Given what I have said, I could not accept in these circumstances that it is reasonable to provide a new 336-bed hospital to cater for the general needs of the entire Cavan-Monaghan area and, at the same time, to keep open the existing 174 acute bed hospital in Monaghan. In fact, it would be irresponsible for me to do so.

The figure is 149 beds.

The net outcome of allowing this to proceed would be to have one very large hospital in Cavan which was planned and purpose built to cater for the entire needs of the Cavan-Monaghan area and, at the same time, to keep open another 174-bed hospital at Monaghan which now costs £3 million a year to run. At the best of times that would be entirely wasteful and, in the current situation, one could not justify the expenditure of such resources.

It was in this context that I wrote to the North Eastern Health Board seeking a firm commitment that the hospital in Monaghan will close when the new hospital in Cavan is opened. I had no option but to seek such a commitment because this was the understanding on which the hospital at Cavan was planned. I should emphasise that I am not in any way directing the health board to close the Monaghan hospital. Indeed, it would be inappropriate for me to do so at this stage. It is incumbent on me to draw the attention of the health board to the fact that the provision of the new hospital at Cavan and the retention of the existing hospital at Monaghan would result in a gross over-provision of beds in the area which simply could not be justified.

It is pertinent to add that the two existing hospitals in Cavan have a percentage occupancy of about 85, on the latest figures available to me, while the hospital at Monaghan has a percentage occupancy of 60 which indicates that this hospital has a surplus of over 50 beds. At the moment I am awaiting the health board's response to my request. I have had no official response yet, but I have been given to understand that the board have deferred their decision on the matter and are to request further discussions with me on the issue. If this is the case I will be happy to meet the board to discuss with them what is to be done.

I must emphasise that, whatever is done, I cannot and will not agree to a situation where an over-provision of acute general hospital facilities is available in one area, while so many other areas of health services are in need of development. I hope this situation will not delay the scheduled plans for the new Cavan hospital to which I have allocated a clear priority from 1983 to 1987 in my revised capital programme. There is no way I can or will issue a contract for the new Cavan hospital while I have no assurances about the future role of the Monaghan hospital.

In conclusion, I want to state in the strongest possible manner that his whole situation would never have arisen were it not for the deliberate ignoring of the content of the planning brief for the new Cavan hospital by my predecessors, Deputy Haughey and Deputy Woods. In November 1978 Deputy Haughey, as Minister for Health, in a wholly irresponsible way laid the foundations for the current impasse by guaranteeing in writing the continuation of Monaghan hospital irrespective of any Cavan development in size, in content, or in planning.

He was sensitive to the needs of the people.

Against all rational criteria for hospital planning and the availability of capital resources, Deputy Haughey decided to back both horses for narrow party political gain. He knew that was an act of calculated political deception. I plead guilty tonight to being honest with the people of Cavan and Monaghan. I look forward to being just as trenchant and just as frank with the health board when I meet them to discuss the situation.

I want to ask a question. It is customary to ask questions. Why did the Minister come in here and talk about the cost of services for psychiatric patients, geriatric patients and the mentally handicapped, and link that to the cost of the capital programme when they are two distinct programmes?

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 22 June 1983.

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