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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 9 Feb 1984

Vol. 347 No. 11

Adjournment Debate. - Fishing Trawler Incident.

I should like to thank the Chair for giving me an opportunity to raise this important issue on the Adjournment. I raised the matter on the Order of Business on Tuesday but was ruled out of order. I raised it again on Wednesday morning but I was ruled out of order and I am sure the Chair is aware of what happened when I tried to raise it as a Private Notice Question. It is hard to understand how an issue such as this should be ruled out of order because of lack of urgency since lives are at stake, lives of the Irish fishermen. However, we must be grateful for small mercies and, therefore, I should like to thank the Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

The Irish fishing industry has had a particularly bad run since our entry to the EEC because foreign fishing vessels are fishing our waters and making it more difficult for the Irish to compete. The Irish fishing industry would be regarded as being under-developed having smaller boats, a lack of processing facilities and poorer harbours and we have much to learn in the marketing area. Those difficulties have been with us for quite sometime. The most recent danger to the Irish fishing industry is, undoubtedly, the menace of submarines in our waters, more particularly in the Irish Sea.

Last weekend 22 miles off the Wexford coast a French trawler engaged in fishing was suddenly towed backwards for about 65 meters. The skipper acted quickly and gave the order that the lines be cut. The trawler was in danger of being submerged at this stage but the skipper by his action saved the trawler and the lives of his crew. Of course, he lost his nets and his catch. The sudden change in the movement of his trawler lead the skipper, and crew, to believe that it could only have been a submarine that was involved.

In January 1983 a French trawler was pulled under by a submarine with the loss of ten lives. This occurred off Tuskar Rock off the Wexford coast. The incidents were very similar, only one of the ten bodies of that disaster has been recovered. In April 1982 the Sherlaga, an Irish trawler fishing from Clogher Head, was sunk by a British submarine. Again, the submarine got caught in the nets and towed her backwards and, subsequently, sank her. In August 1983 two submarines were sighted when they surfaced 12 miles off the south Wexford coast. Those submarines carried no identification whatever. Several other sightings have been recorded in the Irish Sea.

When the Sherlaga was sunk an immediate protest was lodged with the United Kingdom who denied that their submarines were involved. Yet, two days later they admitted responsibility for the incident. In the latest incident the British have again denied responsibility. Of course, we must admit it may not have been a British submarine but if not to which country does she belong? What was she doing in our waters?

The Irish Sea is at this time just as busy with submarine traffic as O'Connell Street is with motor cars. The fishermen of the south-east coast are now very wary about going to sea because of the danger of submarines lurking in Irish waters. Plenty of activity in Irish waters has been recorded, or suspected, and it is no great surprise that Irish fishermen are worried. In fact, Irish fishermen have now decided to use soft rope in their lines rather than traditional wire rope for hauling their nets so that if they have the misfortune to be caught by a submarine the lines will snap. The danger is that the lines are so weak that they may break for many other reasons. For instance, a good catch of fish could break them. The fishermen are very upset but nothing has ever been done to alleviate their fears of sightings off the coast or the incidents off the coast that have been reported. Yet, there are no clear answers. I am demanding this evening that the Government carry out a full investigation into all incidents reported to them.

Are the Government aware that there are submarines in the Channel? Are they aware of their activities? What are their activities? What are they doing off the Irish coast? Are there submarine bases in Irish waters? From the information we have and the little interest shown by the Government it appears they have no idea and, apparently, little concern.

I raised an incident off the Wexford coast when two submarines surfaced on successive days and were sighted by Kilmore Quay fishermen. The reply from the Taoiseach was vague and the message contained in it was that there was not too much to worry about.

I can assure the Minister, and the House, that the fishermen are worried and with very good reason. A fisherman's job is dangerous by nature and every year that passes the sea claims more lives. Have we been serious about providing proper life-saving services, for instance, around our coasts? We have not. The life-saving equipment is located ten miles apart around our coast. The apparatus available must be 100 years old. It is completely out of date. The crews caring for the apparatus are efficient and well-trained but their equipment leaves a lot to be desired.

The life boat service, of course, is second to none. Brave men set out in dangerous seas and they have done an excellent job. They must be commended at all times but do they get the back-up service? I am afraid not. In an incident recently the Marine Rescue Service Station at Shannon took 20 minutes to get through to Rosslare. This type of carelessness is not good enough. It is time that a marine service station was located at Rosslare. I am asking the Government today to consider that viewpoint. Very few helicopter bases are located around our coasts. When Government agencies are not prepared to back up the great voluntary tradition there is in sea-faring areas, it does not come as a surprise that fishermen have lost confidence in them. This is a new danger, the danger of submarines. Over the past few days people have been inclined to treat this business as a joke. When life is threatened there is no joke. Does the Minister's beautiful smile mean that he, too, regards this as a great joke?

The Deputy knows better.

Until such time as I get a clear explanation as to why submarines are in the area, I want to know if there is a Government policy in relation to such men. For instance, are their orders to steam on irrespective of how many lives may be lost?

We want guarantees from the Government that if there is to be submarine activity in the Irish Sea, this will be made known publicly.

The emphasis on the issue in question is on the lives of the Irish fishermen. If we are serious about the lives of Irish fishermen, then we will ensure that the activity in the Irish Sea will be controlled and co-ordinated or else not at all. The Government would do well to wake up at this stage, take their responsibility seriously and ensure that the Irish fishing industry will be protected if not from foreign trawlers at least from foreign submarines.

I am putting the Taoiseach on notice that I want to know if they are Russians, British, or what is the country of their origin in all instances that I have mentioned. We want full and frank explanations from all of the offenders and a guarantee from them and the Taoiseach that they will not interfere with the lives of the Irish people from now on.

The last incident can only be regarded as an insult to the Irish people and an encroachment on our territory. Lesser incidents have started wars.

If the incident outlined by Deputy Byrne was an isolated one, one could forgive the Minister for adopting the attitude he apparently does. However, there have been similar incidents causing grave danger to life. There is consequent fear among fishermen and a general air of mystery about what is happening in the Irish Sea. I do not want to create a Bermuda Triangle type atmosphere in the Irish Sea but the matter needs to be thoroughly investigated and clarified.

In April 1982, a 100-tonne fishing trawler with a crew of five was sunk in a similar incident by a submarine that had became entangled in its nets and it is no thanks to the submarine that none of the crew was lost — a sister trawler happened to be able to rescue the crew. That submarine never surfaced, nor was the accident admitted for some days. The admission came only when the evidence built up pointed a finger conclusively at the offender.

It is generally felt that submarines are not allowed to travel submerged in known fishing grounds. The incident off the Wexford coast and the one in the Irish Sea earlier, happened in well known fishing grounds. In the past 12 years many fishing boats have been lost as a result of submarines fouling their gear in the Irish Sea and the English Channel. Submarines appear to use the Irish Sea all the time. The only ones that are seen are those that travel on the surface. In fishing circles it is felt that most of them prefer to travel submerged because they can do so at a greater speed. A submarine travelling underwater at 30 knots and weighing up to 5,000 tonnes coming in contact with a trawler's nets can be catastrophic.

If that happens the onus is on the submarine commander to surface and see what he can do to save lives. The submarine should get in touch with the rescue services. To give British helicopter crews their due, they were very much involved recently on two consecutive days in storm rescue work. Therefore, if warning is given in time lives could be saved.

This high incidence of accidents can only be attributed to the movement of NATO submarines. They seem to do a lot of training in the Irish Sea — at least they travel through the Irish Sea to training grounds elsewhere. In the British base, Holy Loch, we have the biggest submarine base in the world and I presume that base is constantly monitoring everything that goes on in the Irish Sea. The scene of this latest accident would be well within the radius of their viewers. Therefore, the Holy Loch staff would be well aware of the movement of all submarines in this area.

It is vital that we find the culprits. The fact that the boat involved on this occasion was French does not lessen its importance because it could be anybody's turn the next time. The law of the sea should compel a submarine involved in an accident to surface immediately to do what it can to save lives in the same way as a driver in a road accident is expected to stop: we all know what is felt about a hit-and-run driver — we regard his action as despicable. We must find a conclusive method for preventing such accidents in future. We must get after these maritime cowboys and bring them to their senses. The fact that the offender in this latest incident has not owned up does not help to allay the fears of the fishermen all around our coasts and particularly in the Irish Sea and the Celtic Sea.

I want the Minister to tell us what effective action he hopes to take to see that such occurrences will not happen again or are at least minimised.

The Deputy is referring to an incident which is reported to have taken place on Sunday last at 15.55 involving a French registered trawler. Perhaps it would be best if I gave the details of the incident in question.

At 15.55 on Sunday last the Marine Rescue Co-ordination Centre, MRCC, Shannon, received a message from the Marine Rescue Co-ordination Centre at Swansea to the effect that a French registered trawler Jeanne de Lorraine had reported that her nets had become entangled in a mysterious object on the sea bottom and had been towed astern. The trawler crew cut the trawl cable which freed the trawler from the entanglement. It was considered by the crew of the trawler that the nets had become entangled with a submarine.

The incident is reported to have occurred in position 52.17 North/05.44 West, approximately 20 miles east of Rosslare. The French trawler in question contacted the French radio station Brest le Conquet when the incident happened. This radio station sent news of the incident to the Falmouth Marine Rescue Co-ordination Centre for onward transmission both to Swansea Marine Rescue Co-ordination Centre and for our own Marine Rescue Co-ordination Centre at Shannon.

On being informed of the incident MRCC Shannon immediately informed the Irish Naval Service, the Irish Army Air Corps and the Department of Foreign Affairs by telephone and by telex. Swansea was asked by Shannon to ascertain the intentions of the Jeanne de Lorraine and to establish whether or not the trawl had been recovered. In anticipation that some rescue operations might be necessary Shannon alerted the lifeboat at Rosslare. Swansea reported that radio contact could not be established with the Jeanne de Lorraine, but it subsequently transpired that the vessel had continued fishing after the reported incident.

No search and rescue operation was necessary from any rescue service or other source either in this country or in Britain.

I should say that there was one newspaper report which attributed the possible involvement of a submarine in this incident to a spokesman at Shannon. This is not correct. On receipt of a press query relating to the incident Shannon merely outlined what had been reported to them but the spokesman expressed no opinion as to whether or not Shannon considered a submarine was involved as Shannon was dealing solely with reports originating with the crew of the French trawler.

I have no information on the matter other than what I have outlined. Whether or not this incident happened the way it was reported to have happened or whether a submarine was involved is something that has not been confirmed by anyone. I have no information on the matter other than what I have outlined. We cannot accept it as an established fact.

What has been done since I raised this matter on Tuesday?

Whether this incident happened the way it was reported to have happened or whether a submarine was involved is something that has not been confirmed by anyone.

What does the Minister think it was? A whale?

The Deputy should understand that the merchant shipping legislation which I administer does not extend to submarines. There is no legislation, national or international, which deals with incidents of this kind. The Deputy will appreciate that seacraft, whether they be submarines, warships, merchant vessels or shipping vessels are entitled to pass through the high seas, that is the seas outside our territorial waters — it was not in Irish territorial waters that this incident occurred — though obviously all craft, above or below the water, must behave with due regard to the safety of other vessels and in the case of surface craft in accordance with the collision regulations. This right of innocent passage on the high seas is long recognised in international law and is enjoyed by ships of this country as well as all other countries.

For the information of the House when an incident of this nature occurs the onus is on the country of origin of the vessel to initiate an inquiry. I understand the French authorities are responsible for holding an inquiry into this incident.

Surely since this happened close to our coast we should have an interest in it.

Of course we have an interest in it.

What has the Minister done since last Tuesday?

I am very concerned, especially when I recall the Sherlaga incident in which an Irish fishing vessel's gear became entangled in a British submarine, that there will be no further cases of submarines becoming involved with fishing vessels or other ships.

What has the Government done since last Tuesday when I raised this matter first? They have no information whatever. They have not done anything to protect Irish fishermen.

I have just given the Deputy and the House all the information I have. It is all factual. Much of what the Deputy said was not factual. He spoke about it happening in our territorial waters and asserted that a submarine was involved. We can suspect that a submarine was involved but we do not know. I would not be surprised, especially in view of the Sherlaga incident, but we must deal with the facts. The onus and responsibility for an inquiry in this case lies with the French Government as this incident took place outside our territorial waters. We will follow up the results of the inquiry with the French authorities.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.30 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 14 February 1984.

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