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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 6 Mar 1984

Vol. 348 No. 8

Adjournment Debate. - Killarney Vocational School.

I put down a Private Notice Question on this matter last Wednesday. I also sought unsuccessfully to raise it on the Adjournment and again on Thursday last. I am delighted to have the opportunity to discuss it tonight and I thank the Ceann Comhairle for facilitating me despite requests from about 12 other Deputies to raise matters on the Adjournment tonight.

My Private Notice Question last Wednesday asked the Minister for Education if, in view of the extremely urgent need for a new vocational school in Killarney, in respect of which £1 million was allocated in 1982, she will permit the County Kerry Vocational Education Committee to seek tenders for building the new school in 1984, and if she will make a statement on the matter having regard to the serious overcrowding and dangerous conditions in 16 prefabricated classrooms attached to the school.

Efforts have been made down through the years to get a new vocational school in Killarney. An extension to the existing school was proposed as far back as December 1967 and approved in May 1968. Developed sketch plans and estimates of costs were submitted to the Department of Education in July 1968. The plans were abandoned in 1969 in favour of a new school on a new site. It was August 1978 before the new site was purchased and the transfer of land took place. The delay in transferring the site was due to legal and title difficulties and also administrative difficulties.

The decision at that time to abandon the proposed extension in favour of a new school was the correct decision. It was a wise decision. Following the introduction of free post-primary education and a free public transport service to post-primary schools, there was a real expansion in post-primary education and in vocational education. An extension to the school could not have catered for the growing needs of the pupils and teachers.

There are now 426 pupils in the school as against 226 pupils in the early seventies. There are now 26 teachers in the school. Prefabricated classrooms total 16 out of the 22 classrooms in use on a very small site on the side of the street. Some of the prefabricated buildings are in an almost unworkable condition. The floors are made of chipboard which has disintegrated. These prefabricated buildings present a serious hazard to pupils and teachers. In bad weather it is quite common for some of the windows to be blown in.

I have the height of praise for the 26 teachers who work in very difficult circumstances in this school. They are working in grossly overcrowded conditions with the minimum of facilities. The school and the prefabricated classrooms are very restricted. I understand that £1 million was allocated to County Kerry VEC in 1982 for the building of a new school. They are still awaiting sanction from the Department to enable tenders to be sought and to proceed finally with the erection of a new school. I urge the Minister to issue sanction to the County Kerry VEC as soon as possible to enable them to seek tenders for the building of the new school. I understand the plans are prepared, sanctioned and approved. All that remains is for sanction to be issued.

The VEC, the teachers and the parents anticipated an extension of the school in the early seventies and were promised a new school in the mid-seventies. We are now approaching the mid-eighties and they are faced with the prospect of no improvement in the school for some years to come. The Killarney vocational school was overtaken by other schools which were not in the pipeline when the case for a new school in Killarney was conceded. The pupils, parents and teachers are becoming frustrated and disgruntled.

The existing school and the prefabricated classrooms are in a very bad location, one of the worst locations in the town, at the junction of an entrance to and exit from a major car park off one of the principal streets in the town. There is a serious traffic hazard in the vicinity of the school at all times during the day.

I understand the post office authorities, or An Post, are very interested in purchasing the old vocational school and the site to provide an extension to the existing post office in Killarney or for use as an annexe or as ancillary buildings to the new post office. In the existing post office there is gross overcrowding and additional facilities are required. In view of the interest of the post office authorities in this building and in the site, I recommend that a higher priority should be given to the issue of sanction to the County Kerry VEC to enable them to seek tenders.

There is a suitable site available for a new vocational school and it has passed all tests. It is ideal from planning, traffic and building points of view. The County Kerry VEC always gave Killarney a high priority but for some reason or another other towns by-passed the town in the queue for new vocational schools in recent years. Of all towns in the south of Ireland Killarney deserves top priority for such a building. The existing school is very dangerous. One must take into account the decaying state of the pre-fab classrooms, the overcrowded conditions and the unhealthy atmosphere in which teachers and pupils work. I implore the Minister to let this project out for tender as soon as possible so that work can proceed.

The planning of the new vocational school for Killarney to cater for 500 students has reached a very advanced stage. Architectural planning has been completed and the bill of quantities has been submitted by the County Kerry Vocational Education Committee to the Department for examination and approval. This examination should be completed shortly and if the relevant documentation is found to be satisfactory, the next step would be to give approval to the committee to invite tenders for the construction of the new building.

However, there are problems. This approval is not given automatically after the bill of quantities has been cleared. Much depends on the capital money being available not only in the current year but in the year to come. A financial commitment entered into this year will mean a larger commitment for 1985. It is the procedure in the case of all school building projects that at the initial meeting with the school authorities, when the planning of the school starts the school authority is advised that the planning will be processed as speedily as possible through the various stages up to and including the bill of quantity stage, and that when the bill has been found to be in order, the decision as to when the project may proceed to tender will be taken in the context of capital resources available. We must take into consideration anticipated expenditure in the current and subsequent years on projects already under construction, to which we are contractually committed, and on projects which are ready to start construction. All of the Department's priorities and commitments must be looked at.

At the moment there are 68 school building projects under construction, with a further 222 projects at various stages of planning. This latter figure includes some 65 projects in respect of which approval could be given in the next few months to the school authorities to seek tenders. If approval were given, it would mean that all of these cases could commence construction in 1984.

However, the total capital allocation for second-level building, (secondary, vocational and community), for 1984 is £33.2 million. The Department are contractually committed to approximately £27 million in respect of ongoing projects, leaving only about £6 million available for possible starts in 1984. As the 65 possible starts noted have an expenditure capacity far in excess of this amount, the House will appreciate the need for care in regard to the number of projects which may be allowed to go. There is an ongoing review of those particular cases and to date, in 1984, eight projects have been approved to the seeking of tenders. Further projects will be released when their particular circumstances have been examined.

The condition of the existing accommodation is a factor taken into consideration in arriving at a decision. The Department are very much aware of the situation not only in Killarney VS but also in other schools. I have had an opportunity of visiting Killarney and discussing the matter with Kerry VEC. I am very much concerned at the moment about temporary, prefabricated buildings at present being used in schools in the absence of more traditional type accommodation, and that this temporary accommodation should be phased out as quickly as possible, and replaced by permanent buildings.

There is some discrepancy in the information about this. I have been told that we have eight pre-fab buildings but I concede that Deputy O'Leary is more au fait with the position in Killarney. He has stated that there are 16 pre-fabs but irrespective of the number in my opinion there are too many. This project is not just a matter of replacing temporary classrooms with permanent classrooms which would entail a very piecemeal approach to the problem but it must be part of an overall evaluation of all the accommodation and upgrading needs of each case. I am endeavouring to alleviate the problem within the limits of the capital available to me.

In June 1981, during the course of planning this project, sanction was conveyed to the County Kerry Vocational Education Committee for the borrowing of a loan of £1 million from the Local Loan Fund in anticipation of expenditure arising in the future. This was normal procedure at the time relating to all vocational school building projects. I must emphasise that the sanction of the raising of a loan did not imply that, as soon as architectural planning was completed, there would be immediate approval to invite tenders and commence construction.

As I mentioned earlier I expect that examination of the bill of quantities will be completed shortly, and that at that stage the question of whether it will be possible to allocate sufficient capital will be considered. I can assure the Deputy that I will have the matter considered sympathetically.

Deputy O'Leary said that the project started in 1967 or 1968 but my information is that an application for the project was received in May 1978. From the information available to me the delay in proceeding with the project does not lie with the Department of Education. The Deputy suggested that An Post was interested in the old school site but I am not aware of that. However, I will make inquiries and will communicate with the Deputy about the matter. That is not a factor in determining whether the school will be allowed to go to tender. I hope to be in a position within six weeks to determine whether Killarney will be one of the projects to be released to tender. I am aware of the problem there but I should like to assure Deputy O'Leary that Killarney is not the only area experiencing difficulties in regard to pre-fab buildings. There are many areas where teachers have to control and discipline children in pre-fab buildings which are totally unsuitable. I will deal with the Killarney application sympathetically but I do not have a magic wand to wave to get sufficient capital to deal with all the applications that are waiting to go to tender. I am not in a position to give any more definitive information at this stage. The ball is now in our court and I hope I will be able to give the Deputy, and the people concerned — I also have had representations from a number of other people — definite information in about six weeks.

I should like to thank the Minister of State for his frank reply.

The Dáil adjourned at 8.50 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 7 March 1984.

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