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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 12 Jun 1985

Vol. 359 No. 7

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Development Assistance to Stricken Areas.

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asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if, in view of the UN report last week that the greatest disaster in human history is now imminent in Central Africa with a projected death toll of 34,000,000 people, he will as a matter of extreme urgency demand that the EC Council order the despatch within the next few days of enormously increased amounts of medical supplies and food from Europe; and if he will further mobilise the State agencies behind a new Irish initiative to bring relief to the stricken areas, within the next week if possible.

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asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he is satisfied with the level of official development aid from this country in the light of widespread famine conditions in Africa and natural disasters in other parts of the developing world.

I propose to answer Questions Nos. 3 and 16 together.

Ireland's Official Development Assistance, which consists of three main elements: contributions to international organisations active in development, bilateral aid and disaster relief, will grow during the period of the national plan, Building on Reality——

On a point of order, I regret saying that we cannot hear what the Minister is saying.

It is just the Cork accent.

It is not, it is the low voice when he is in difficulty. The Minister used to shout from this side of the House.

I am not in any difficulty whatever.

Questions Nos. 3 and 16 together.

I propose to answer Questions Nos. 3 and 16 together.

Ireland's Official Development Assistance, which consists of three main elements: contributions to international organisations active in development, bilateral aid and disaster relief, will grow during the period of the national plan, Building on Reality, from £34 million to £50 million, an increase of 47 per cent. As contributions to international organisations, usually described as multilateral aid, are not expected to increase at the same pace, it is expected that bilateral aid will almost double during the same period. This will permit an increase in the number of projects undertaken in longerterm development and the sending of an increased number of volunteers abroad through APSO, the Agency for Personal Service Overseas.

As the Deputy will be aware, our bilateral aid programme is concentrated on Africa where all four of our priority countries — Sudan, Lesotho, Zambia and Tanzania — are located. Taking the various elements together it is estimated that roughly two-thirds of our total ODA — which in 1985 will amount to £38.36 million goes to the African Continent.

The situation in Africa resulting from food shortages continues to be a matter of great concern. It is clear on the basis of information becoming available since the question was tabled that millions of people are at risk because of inadequate food supplies and that the crisis is set to persist for some time yet.

The House can be assured, however, that significant efforts are underway both by the Governments of the countries concerned and by the international community with a view to averting further catastrophe. International co-operation in this regard was comprehensively reviewed at a United Nations conference in Geneva on 11-12 March 1985. Ireland has played an active part in these efforts both as a member of the European Communities and on its own account.

The Community is an important source of assistance, including food and other emergency aid to developing countries. Following an initiative of the Irish Presidency, the European Council, meeting in Dublin on 3 and 4 December 1984, decided that assistance to the countries affected by food shortages should be significantly further increased by the provision of 1.2 million tonnes of cereals in the period leading up to the next harvest in the countries concerned, later this year. At a recent review of commitments under the Dublin plan it emerged that this target will, in fact, be exceeded.

Ireland also contributes to the relief efforts of other international agencies. For example, a shipment of 2,413 tonnes of wheat flour was sent to the Sudan recently to be used in a project of the World Food Programme in support of refugees in Ethiopia. At a donors meeting convened by the Office for Emergency Operations in Africa on 31 May, Ireland pledged £100,000 towards projects being carried out in the Sudan by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Contributions to alleviate the present famine emergency in Africa and the natural disasters elsewhere in the world, such as the cyclone which recently ravaged Bangladesh, are met from the Disaster Relief Fund. The provision this year is £629,000. In addition to the pledge of £100,000 mentioned above, some £350,000 has been used to meet the cost of transporting 2,000 tonnes of grain, milk powder and seed potatoes to Ethiopia.

A second shipment, comprising skim milk powder and anhydrous milk fat, was recently sent to the Sudan for distribution to famine victims through the Gezira dairy co-operative project, a long term project developed with our bilateral aid funds.

In addition to these official efforts, the public have responded particularly generously to the appeals of the Irish non-Government organisations involved in providing assistance to famine victims in Africa, as the House will be aware. The House can also be assured that there is extensive co-ordination and co-operation, between the Government's efforts and those of the non-Governmental organisations.

I am satisfied with our response. There are, of course, no grounds for complacency regarding the prospects of the countries concerned in the short or even the medium term. It is certain that a crisis of exceptional proportions will continue to exist for some time. It is therefore necessary that the international community should continue to seek ways of increasing the volume and effectiveness of their assistance. The House can be assured that Ireland will continue to play an active part in this process.

I thank the Minister for his comprehensive reply. Would the Minister agree that it is not just a matter of money and of signing cheques and that Ireland being fairly pivotal in this area is ideally situated to take new initiatives and that Ireland should be in the forefront at the EC councils demanding new initiatives and coming up with new initiatives and mobilising resources of the EC behind these new initiatives? Will the Minister see to it that Ireland takes some new initiative in this area apart from the funds, with which we are all reasonably pleased?

I agree there are things other than money involved. There is the question of the quality of the aid and making sure that it reaches the right people and is being utilised for the right purpose. New initiatives are part of our policy to make our voice heard in the international fora, in particular in the European Community. Last September I raised the question of the situation in Ethiopia about which I had received reports and asked for action. That was before the information hit the world media. Thereafter I visited Ethiopia and followed that visit up with a further report to the Council of Foreign Ministers. This led into the European Summit in Dublin and the Dublin plan was agreed by our Community partners.

During a visit to the Sudan in March I was struck by the obvious evidence of impending famine not just among the refugees but among the native population. On my return I made a further report on this at the following meeting of the Foreign Affairs Council and asked for action at that point. At the Budget Council which I attended on behalf of Ireland I took an initiative seeking extra funding for food aid from the Community and at the last council meeting at the end of May we were successful in securing a further £80 million in the Community budget for that purpose. Therefore, the Deputy can be assured that every opportunity will be used on our part to highlight the problem and not alone to use our own efforts nationally but to try to mobilise the greatest international effort possible.

Would the Minister of State accept that the acute famine conditions in parts of Africa have now created a new situation which requires the complete rethinking of our whole policy on development aid? Will he not agree with me that it is about time that instead of giving fish to those who are hungry we gave them fishing rods and showed them how to fish? Would he agree further that as far as the EC and our involvement in it are concerned, not enough is being done to come to grips with the problem? Whereas from the Minister of State's reply it is obvious that he has been extremely busy in this area, the situation has not improved one whit in regard to the starving millions there. Is he prepared to tell us here and now what action, if any, the Minister for Foreign Affairs has taken with his colleagues in the other EC countries to deal with the situation that we know exists at present in which millions of tonnes, worth many £s, of essential foodstuffs are rotting in ports in the starvation affected parts of this continent and in which the food that has been sent out there is not getting through to the people who need it? Would the Minister of State comment on that?

A number of issues arise here. In relation to the first part of the Deputy's question, of course I accept that long term development is the answer and that these countries must be helped to become self-sufficient, but I take issue with the Deputy on the formulation of his question. It is not an either/or situation. There must be concentration on development, but at the same time one cannot ignore the immediate needs of those who are dying of hunger.

I never suggested that.

On that point, therefore, we are ad idem. There must be, as it were, a twin track approach, a fire brigade operation dealing with the immediate short term situation but under no circumstances forgetting the medium and long term development needs. In regard to the question of the EC, the aspect of the effective delivery of aid, ensuring that it reaches the people for whom it is intended, is very important and was one of the major items under discussion at the last Council of Development Ministers. Measures are being taken at EC level, in so far as it is possible taking into account the different logistics of some of these countries, to ensure very effective delivery of aid. I suggested at that Council that more use should be made by the EC institutions of the non-governmental organisations, the voluntary bodies, particularly those who had people on the ground and whom I found so reliable in relation to national aid efforts.

As to whether the situation is improving, recent indications suggest that, particularly in some countries, it is not improving but deteriorating. I have mentioned the Sudan. The latest information I have on that is that a very alarming problem has been developing there and that the numbers now affected by famine have increased enormously. These figures are difficult to estimate accurately, but there is continuing effort on the part of the EC, the UN and other bodies to ensure that the most accurate information is available and that the most effective response is made by the international bodies to the situation as it develops.

A final supplementary on that.

A final supplementary even though the question is listed as a priority question?

Well, we will see.

We might be trying to establish a precedent which we will have to live with for the remainder of this new agreement. I feel I should question that.

The only precedent I sought to establish by an announcement yesterday was that I would get the co-operation of the House and that Members would accept the exercise by me of my discretion under Standing Orders.

Does the Ceann Comhairle take into account that this is a priority question from me and that the purpose of priority questions is to give a reasonable amount of time in which to tease out the details of the issue in question?

If you carry that to its logical conclusion, Deputy, if we have reached the priority questions and people ask too many supplementaries and run out of time then we must leave them there and go on to the next business at 3.45 p.m.

The Ceann Comhairle will understand that if I allowed that situation to develop it would be my decision and not the Ceann Comhairle's decision.

Leave the matter now. Let us not waste time.

The Minister of State in his reply suggested rather vaguely that measures had been discussed by Foreign Ministers at a recent meeting to deal with the fact that food supplies gone to these famine stricken areas had not reached the people who were in need of them. Does he feel that he should be far more specific with us in this House this afternoon and tell us in detail what these measures are?

The Deputy will be aware from his former experience that it is a matter for the Commission to implement the decisions for the EC. Arising from the last discussions the reaction of the Commission was that Commissioner Natali who is now in charge of this area would visit the Sudan and some other affected countries and report back with a first hand account of the arrangements. In addition instructions would be issued to the various delegates outlining the views expressed at Council.

Will the Minister of State tell us what guidelines he gave to Commissioner Natali? What guideline instructions was he given to deal with the problem?

The Commission takes on board the views expressed by the Council but the implementation is within the mandate of the Commission. The Deputy will be aware of the division of responsibility here. The various concerns, some of which have been expressed by the Deputy, were outlined at that meeting and the matter will be discussed further at Council level on a report back from the Commissioner.

Is true an scéal é, agus is fíor an seanfhocal a deir: "Mair a chapall, agus geobhair féar".

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