I propose to answer Questions Nos. 32 and 34 together. Following the meeting of the Civil Service General Council on 27 November at which an offer on the 25th round and related pay issues was made to civil servants, both sides agreed to issue a joint statement the terms of which I shall now read to the House:
Government representatives met Civil Service unions on 27 November under the civil service conciliation and arbitration Scheme to reply to their 25th round pay claim. The existing 24th round for this group expires on 31 December 1985.
In opening the discussions the Government's representatives made the following offer:
—a 25th round agreement of 24 months duration, i.e. to expire on 31 December 1987.
the agreement to provide for:
—a 9 months pay pause;
—a 3 per cent increase from I October 1986;
—a 2 per cent increase from 1 July 1987.
The offer was subject to:
(1) an agreement being reached between the two sides in relation to the phasing of outstanding arbitration findings, the processing under the scheme of claims for special increases already served and the treatment, during the period of any agreement, of claims for special increases not yet served; and
(2) meaningful discussions taking place as a matter of urgency about the machinery for pay determination.
In the interest of dealing quickly with the claim the Government's representatives suggested to the unions that a negotiating sub-committee be set up immediately. The staff side said they would consider the offer and report back with their response.
The Government's representatives asked the unions to return to the negotiating table within a week if possible.
Both sides agreed that no further public statement or comment would be made by either party.
As will be clear from my reply to the Deputy in respect of a similar question from him on 12 November, I do not accept that the terms of the Government's offer as outlined above can in any way be regarded as a U-turn given the terms of the Government's statement on pay of 14 August last.
As the questions cover matters which are the subject of negotiation with the staff, the Deputy will appreciate that any further developments on the 25th round and on any of the other matters referred to in the joint statement of 27 November must depend on the response from the staff side. I do not intend to, and it would not be proper for me to attempt to, conduct the negotiations in this House. In view of the last sentence of the joint statement I do not intend to make any further statement on the negotiations.