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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 29 Apr 1986

Vol. 365 No. 10

Adjournment Debate. - Sellafield Nuclear Plant.

First, I would like to convey my sympathy to the relatives of those who lost their lives in the nuclear power disaster near Kiev yesterday. Unfortunately, we do not have the exact facts or figures of that accident since the information is coming through in a very scant manner. However this raises very pertinent questions for this country for a number of reasons.

We are very close to an extensive and massive power plant at Sellafield. No one can argue about the possible effects of what has come to be known as trans global pollution where deadly matter, depending on the prevailing winds, can be transmitted vast distances across continents to cause damage and possibly deaths to innocent people living in other countries.

It is close on three years since I first raised this matter in the House and I seem to be repeating a lot of what I said in that Adjournment Debate, but a number of other issues must be stated as new evidence becomes more apparent at the Sellafield plant. It is a shame that this Government continue to show an ambivalent attitude towards the Sellafield plant despite the fact that the head of the Nuclear Energy Board, Dr. George Duffy, recently expressed concern about the possible danger from the nuclear reactors at Sellafield. In a very thorough interview Dr. Duffy made the point that he was less concerned about the possible environmental or health risks from the actual discharges into the Irish Sea than he was about the nuclear reactors. He said that some of these had passed their accepted span of life, close to 30 years, and he was concerned about the possibility of these either breaking down or going on fire.

That warning must be expressed in the loudest possible terms in this House in the hope that it will fall on the ears of the Government and that they will take a strong stand with Britain in this regard and not just accept the British point of view, as stated by Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, "You know, there is nothing really to fear from Sellafield." I do not know if it was just for amusement or what the British Minister for the Environment intended in stating that our fears were akin to those of medieval people talking about witchcraft. We are dealing with a deadly menace quite close to this nation, a menace which is going to increase over the next ten years, some people say threefold or fourfold, others say tenfold, a moneymaking industry which will be a continuing menace to this country for many many years to come. A £3 billion expansion is about to take place at the Thorpe expansion plant at Sellafield.

I suppose we are fortunate in a sense that in Ireland the prevailing winds tend to be south-westerly. The Minister realises that this is not always the case. He represents a maritime constituency and he is well aware of the anxieties and fears that people living along the eastern seaboard have, particularly in the light of what happened in 1957 when the winds were north-easterly and brought the result of the fire at Sellafield over along the Irish coast. In this nation we do not want to arrive at the stage where our excellent monitoring stations tell us that the levels of radiation are increasing and something must be happening across the water, and waiting for our information to come in secondhand to us when some major accident has taken place.

It is our duty as a nation, and particularly the Government's duty, to sound the warning to England that we want this plant to cease its operations. How on earth can this Government accept the point of view of the British when their own agency, the Nuclear Energy Board, have stated that the nuclear reactors are not safe? What type of logic is that? It is tantamount to engaging in very dangerous dealing with the British in this regard. A very strong case could be made to take Britain to the European Court on this matter. All the evidence is there: the facts are there. The Black report was discredited by lack of information from British Nuclear Fuels. In the House of Commons the all-party committee report on the question of Sellafield safety indicated that the plant was not safe. The European Parliament overwhelmingly rejected information coming from the Sellafield plant and called for its closure. It is regrettable that on 12 March this House turned down a motion by the Opposition calling for the closure of Sellafield. I felt at the time that that was a lost opportunity. I could not understand for the life of me what the Government were engaging in in that debate because a strong call from Ireland to England, a united voice, in this regard is needed.

Did the Minister see the headlines in the British papers the next day, in which they said, "Irish Government votes down call for closure of Sellafield"? It was an absolute let-off for them. I sense a slight change of attitude on the part of the Irish Nuclear Energy Board in that I think they are beginning to put this whole question into perspective, putting the Irish nation first. They are beginning to see themselves as having a very important role in the future of nuclear radiation measurements in this country. That board were established for a purpose different from that in which they find themselves engaged now. It is critically important that we as an independent nation are prepared to take a firm stand on this issue in relation to the closure of Sellafield.

What has happened in Russia is just an example of what can happen to this nation. Given the appalling safety record in this plant, it is now not unreasonable to assume that there will be a serious accident at Sellafield. I do not know how the Government can come into this House and stand up and defend their inactivity in this respect. We have been told about the lack of safety of the reactors how they are positioned and structured, and that they do not meet the safety requirements. What of the possibility of seismic activity? There has been a fair degree of seismic activity in the Irish Sea and it is continuous. Just a couple of years ago we had the undersea earthquake which measured quite a strong reading on the Richter scale. If it had been close to the Cumbrian area it could have caused a great deal of damage and possibly started some serious fires at that plant.

We all know the old saying about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing and that people, who profess to set themselves up as experts in a particular field when they have not the in-depth knowledge, can be misleading, but how can this nation, given the inaccurate information from British Nuclear Fuels, stand over this plant as we seem to be doing as a nation at present? We seem to be defending the British point of view; that is the way it is perceived by our nation at present. I have read the account of the Minister, Deputy Spring, of what is going to be done and the safety measures that are to be taken at Sellafield, etc. I have read it all ad nausem, but we must guard against a serious accident taking place in Sellafield such as occurred in Russia yesterday. It could happen. I want the Minister to address himself to the possibility of an accident taking place at Sellafield and not to engage in speaking about the dangers to our marine environment or the radiation levels in the air or anything like that. I would like him in this House to give a guarantee, or at least state that in his opinion an accident will not take place, given the information that has been given to him. If he does that he will relieve the anxieties of many people because he will have information given to him that many of us have not got.

I am unhappy about this whole question of a European team of investigation. It is just a kick for touch. The EC have vested interests in the development of the nuclear industry. I am not opposed to the question of an inspectorate taking place at the Sellafield plant but I am suspicious of it because I cannot see how countries who have these plants will be able to engage in an impartial manner in inspecting a plant like that. As I said before, it is a bit like the police investigating themselves: they will not come up with objective criticism or anything more positive in that regard.

The Minister in his earlier contribution referred to the expansion which will take place at Sellafield. Many people are unaware of the fact that there are massive expansion plans to reprocess the waste of other nations to make money for Britain. It is a money making industry with waste coming from Japan, Germany and all over the world to be reprocessed at that plant. What is in it for Ireland? Nothing, except health and environmental hazards on a massive scale. Ships will be carrying deadly cargoes up and down the Irish Sea and there will be constant withholding of information to this nation. The Minister will have to go further than talking about an inspectorate to monitor Sellafield because that is just not enough. The objective at present, given this awful record of 300 accidents over the past 30 years and those chronicled earlier this year and the fact that British Nuclear Fuels have been fined large sums of money, is to obtain more information. British Nuclear Fuels have paid out very large sums in compensation — I know without admission of liability — to widows of former employees in the firm and there is circumstantial evidence to support the view that the plant is unsafe, even deadly.

Beaches have been closed and medical doctors in the area agree that there is a tenfold increase in cancer within the plant environs. The Minister would earn the respect of the House if he made it clear to Britain that if they are not prepared to accede to our demands we will take them to the European Court. There is nothing to be ashamed of in that as the Minister's duty — I am not speaking personally — as a member of the Government is to future generations and not just to ourselves. We enjoy a relatively peaceful environment, although we live with the continuing risk of an accident taking place at Sellafield. What of future generations? We should seek to protect the environment, given the fact that some of these deadly man-created elements like ceasium and plutonium will take thousands of years to disappear, if they ever do. How will future generations view the Irish Government for not taking a stand on this? Regrettably, a stand has not been taken and there has been no firm directive given to Britain on this issue, which was raised first in this House three years ago and on subsequent occasions by other Members of the House. We had a full-scale debate on it last month and now this accident has taken place. Increased levels of radiation at Sellafield have also been raised by way of Private Notice Question and yet the Government have gone along with the British point of view against what the rest of Europe said. This is a shame.

I do not know whether the Government feel that by so doing they would injure Anglo-Irish relations. Is that the case? If so, it is indirect blackmail, equally shameful and should not be tolerated. I will listen very carefully to the Minister's reply. I hope it will not be a repeat of what he said earlier today: that the best way is to have a European inspectorate and hope that something will come out of that.

Given the rapidity of the accidents which have taken place at Sellafield over the past few years, it is reasonable to assume that more will occur and that, as the plant expands, more and more accidents will take place. We must make a clean break from the British point of view and hold to the view that the vast majority of people have in this country. We want the plant closed. It is situated in the worst possible place for a nuclear reprocessing plant and is now a military target as it is refurbishing nuclear warheads. It puts us in the front line as a neutral nation. All the evidence supports a call from the Government to close the plant down and there is no point in taking an ambivalent view of the matter. I do not want to be alarmist, although when I raised the matter three years ago I was accused of being so. We have a duty to future generations and it is our firm wish and demand that the Government should call on the British Government to close down Sellafield once and for all.

I should also like to extend sympathy to those killed or injured in the major accident in the nuclear power plant near Kiev. It is very sad and was obviously an accident of major proportions.

I wish to refute at the outset some aspects of Deputy Brady's remarks, particularly those regarding the Nuclear Energy Board. It is wrong and it ill behoves him to suggest that the members of the Nuclear Energy Board are in any way pro-nuclear or pro-British policy in relation to Sellafield.

I said the Government——

No, the Deputy specifically mentioned the Nuclear Energy Board.

I said the Government——

The Government, and my Department, are well served by the expert advice available to us from the Nuclear Energy Board whose members are drawn from a wide range of professions including nuclear medicine, nuclear physics, environmentalists and so on. The Deputy knows that well and it ill behoves him to impute the integrity of the members of that board.

There is no point in twisting my words.

I will not accept that and I will refute it at any time. There is no ambivalence in the Government's policy in relation to the Sellafield question. That policy is well known and has been stated here on a number of occasions. It is a matter of concern to me that in the course of the recent debate in Private Members' Time on Sellafield Opposition Deputies made hysterical contributions about that question. It frightened people, particularly those who enjoy eating fish. In my view it did unnecessary damage to the fishing industry along the east coast. It was a pity that the Opposition made wild and unfounded allegations on that occasion. I am trying to treat this subject seriously and impart the expert knowledge that has been passed to me by experts in this area.

As has been stated time and again, the Government are totally opposed to any discharge of radioactive waste into the Irish Sea and want to see these discharges minimised and eliminated as soon as possible using the best available technology. Any radioactive discharge, even if the level of radioactivity is small, is undesirable and should cease. I have made that clear before. The concern of the Government, and the Irish public, at the operation of Sellafield, particularly in relation to the recent incidents at the plant, has been conveyed to the UK authorities on a number of occasions right up to the level of Heads of State and through the Ireland-UK contact group. The last of the contact meetings was held in February and at that we pressed for improved notification procedures.

The Government recognise that the incidents at Sellafield are, in themselves, of little radiological significance to the Irish population. Clearly, a balanced view of the situation must be maintained. The recent incidents have caused the Government, and the Irish people, to lose confidence in the safety of the plant. The safety record at Sellafield has been less than satisfactory and the frequency of recent incidents poses the possibility of an accident occurring in the future which could have consequences for this country. We must look at what happened in Russia and take it into account.

This concern of the Irish Government is reinforced by the report of the House of Commons Environment Committee which was published recently. The Government find several aspects of this report particularly disturbing. There is a suggestion that nuclear waste management is inefficient, that there is uncertainty about dilution and dispersal behaviour of radioactive substances released into the Irish Sea and there is, in addition, continuing uncertainty about accidental discharges. Furthermore, the report refers to the Irish Sea as the most radioactive in the world, and this situation is, of course, totally unacceptable to the Government.

However, it is important to keep the question of radioactive discharges from Sellafield in perspective. The Nuclear Energy Board who advise my Department are engaged in an ongoing monitoring programme which measures radioactivity levels in the environment. The board recently published a report on radioactivity monitoring of the Irish marine environment during 1982-84. This report shows that the most significant source of contamination of the Irish Sea is the discharge of radioactive effluents from the Sellafield re-processing plant. This radioactive contamination decreases rapidly with increasing distance from Sellafield. The report also shows that the levels of contamination of the Irish Sea have decreased in recent years, probably reflecting the reductions in the annual discharges from Sellafield since they were at their highest in the seventies.

The report assesses the possible radiation exposure of Irish consumers of fish and shellfish and concludes that in the case of the average consumer of seafood, the dose would be about 1 per cent of both the annual dose limit for the public recommended by the International Commision for Radiological Protection and the dose from naturally occuring sources of radiation. The board have advised that there should be no concern about eating fish and shellfish from the Irish Sea.

The board, with the assistance of the Meterological Service of the Department of Communications, also monitor radioactivity levels in air, rainfall and drinking water samples. I am advised by the board that the levels of artificially produced radioactivity in the atmosphere are low and do not constitute a health hazard to the Irish public.

This House will be aware of reports of a recent accident at a Soviet nuclear power station near Kiev. The Nuclear Energy Board have been advised by the Meteorological Service that prevailing weather conditions are unlikely to carry contamination in the direction of Ireland in the immediate future. The board have indicated that there is, therefore, no reason for the Irish public to be alarmed. The board will continue their monitoring procedures and will keep me advised of developments.

The board have also advised me that a serious leakage from a nuclear power plant in Britain or continental Europe would be likely to have severe effects only in the immediate area, up to a five or ten mile radius. In such a situation the Nuclear Energy Board, through their ongoing environmental monitoring programme, would measure the levels of radioactivity and advise on whatever action was necessary to safeguard the community. In the event of an accident of major significance for Ireland, the national emergency plan would be implemented and the board, in close liaison with the Civil Defence, would monitor and assess the situation and issue advice on what action to take. The Government would, of course, take whatever action is necessary.

I have said that monitoring indicates that the radiation exposure of the Irish public from Sellafield is negligible. But, as I said in this House today, we are being exposed to a potential hazard from an operation outside our jurisdiction.

The Government voted down our motion on that.

We cannot send over an armada to close down Sellafield.

The European Parliament called for its closure.

Deputy Brady should allow the Minister to conclude.

The British Government, from the Prime Minister down, have decided that Sellafield is not going to close.

That is it.

The British Government have stated clearly that they are going to continue the investment in the project.

And the Irish Government will assist them.

That is a decision of the British Government and not one of the Irish Government. It is not one we agree with or one we want to see.

Now we know the true position.

It is a decision of a Government over which we do not have jurisdiction.

We should take a stand on this issue.

I should like to repeat that we do not have jurisdiction but, as a member of the European Community we can view the matter as being of international importance. Sellafield is not the only reprocessing plant in Europe. There is also one in France at Cap de la Hague and the German Government are about to erect a reprocessing plant. We must also take account of the fact that France, Belgium, the Federal Republic of Germany, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom and the Netherlands are nuclear energy states. We sought the assistance of the European inspection force, a legal move, because we believe the European Commission have the power to establish such a force so as to ensure that there will be an independent examination of nuclear safety throughout the nuclear industry in Europe. I do not believe that those who will be carrying out this inspection will lean to the vested interests. Surely they will have enough integrity to have regard for the safety of all the people in the Community. That is the reason we have asked for a European inspection force and it is the logical international action the Government should take.

British Nuclear Fuels were fined in the courts.

Talking about a closure of the plant is only looking for straws in the wind.

The European Parliament called for the closure of the plant.

If we do not get a satisfactory response to our formal request for a nuclear inspection force we will consider taking the matter to the European Court. We will not close our eyes to that.

I should like to thank the Minister.

We do not have any sympathy or hold any brief for Sellafield. We do not want to be affected by Sellafield.

However, we can only take the international action that is open to us. We will consider taking England to the European Court if we feel it is necessary. In reply to a question to me today I said that the Government consider that a European inspection force is necessary to determine independently whether Sellafield can operate safely or whether operations should be suspended or ceased until it can be rendered safe. We are taking the action we are entitled to take at European level but just to press for the closure of Sellafield is a simplistic approach which will not achieve anything because Sellafield is outside our jurisdiction.

The Minister should take the British to the European Court now.

The Minister for Energy and I will continue to have regard to this very serious problem on behalf of the Irish people. Already we have taken it up formally with the Minister for the Environment, with the Commissioner responsible for the nuclear industry, Mr. Clinton-Davis. We shall continue to formally request the establishment of a European nuclear inspection force. I should like to assure the House that this matter will be closely watched by our Department.

Finally I want to assure the House that this matter will be watched closely by my Department and will receive the closest attention. Deputies opposite have my assurance that we will take whatever steps are necessary, whatever steps are possible and open to us, to ensure the continued safety of the Irish environment, to ensure that the doses of radiation to which the Irish population is exposed will be reduced to nil. We shall continue to press for the elimination of all radioactive waste emanating from the Sellafield reprocessing plant.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.50 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 30 April 1986.

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