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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 17 Jun 1986

Vol. 368 No. 1

Private Members' Business. - Unemployment and Taxation: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann condemns the Government for their failure to honour specific undertakings in the Joint Programme for Government to halt and reverse the growth of unemployment and reduce the proportion of tax taken under PAYE from the wages and salaries of employees.

Fianna Fáil have put down this motion because of the widespread wish that exists among the general public to see an end to this incompetent, discredited and intensely disliked Government.

This motion provides every Deputy in the Dáil with the opportunity to vote in sympathy with that overwhelming public feeling. Every Deputy in this House will have the opportunity to express dissatisfaction with the economic performance of this Government and to indicate by their votes that they want either a change of policy or a change of Government. The choice facing Deputies is clear: they can either vote to condemn the economic policies of this Government or else they can, by their votes, acquiesce in a continuation of permanently high unemployment, taxation and emigration. They cannot dodge the issue. This is no time for escape clauses or phony amendments or making speeches one way and voting another. Deputies can either, for their own narrow, party political reasons, vote to condone disastrous economic and social policies, or they can bring them to an end now. We want by this amendment to show the voters who is responsible for the present situation dragging on, why this Government are able to hang on to office; and what groups and individuals are keeping them in office when a very large majority of the voters wish to see them gone.

The two parties in this Government, after the last general election, bargained and negotiated for some time and finally put forward a programme of Government which was the basis of their agreement to form a Coalition Government. It set out what this Government promised to do during their term of office. In particular, it secured the support of the rank and file of the Labour Party because it contained specific undertakings about social and economic policy. That document is now in shreds; it is politically irrelevant. It represents a litany of broken promises and unfulfilled undertakings. At this stage it is only of importance to political historians.

In our motion we have only selected two of the items in that programme for attention. We could have included many others, but we wanted to make the issue as straight forward and direct as possible for Deputies and the public by concentrating on these two specific promises which three and a half years after the Government were formed have not been fulfilled.

This Coalition Government took office on the basis that they would seek to halt and reverse the growth in unemployment and reduce the proportion of total tax being paid by the PAYE sector.

According to the OECD, late 1982 represented the bottom of the international recession. That also happens to be the moment at which this Government took office. While in many other countries there has been a significant recovery, Ireland four years later is still as deeply as ever in recession.

When this Government took office unemployment was at a high level, 170,000. Since then it has risen steadily and is still rising. It has increased by 30 per cent; and that figure, of course, takes no account of emigration. If emigration, running now at 30,000 or more a year, were taken into account, it would be seen that there has not even been a significant slow down in the growth of unemployment. The promise was to halt the growth and reverse the trend so that we should now be well below the 170,000 figure. That has not happened. If emigration were taken into account it is clear that the rate of growth has not been halted.

The rise of 3,100 in the seasonally adjusted rise of unemployment in May of this year shows that the growth even in visible unemployment has not been halted let alone reversed.

This Government are acting in a disgraceful manner in not revealing the actual extent of emigration at present. We all know from our personal experience and observation — we only have to go to one of our airports or seaports — that emigration is running at unprecedented levels. Deputies will tell of different parts of the country where parishes are no longer able to field a full team because so many young people have emigrated. It is almost certainly about 30,000 a year. In this connection I am talking about permanent emigration — people who have left this country for good — and not the seasonal movement of young people looking for temporary employment.

This Government will not come clean on this serious issue. They will not give the true picture even though they know what it is. Were it not for this haemorrhage of emigration, the figure of 230,000 now given as the number of unemployed would be far greater. It is true to say that the real number of persons unemployed at the present time must be somewhere between a quarter of a million and 300,000. If everything is taken into account — the registered unemployed, the level of emigration and those who are artificially taken off the live register because of schemes of one kind or another—in the region of 300,000 people are being denied the opportunity to find permanent employment in their own country. That figure in itself is a total condemnation of this Government, their economic policies and performance. By itself and without taking into account any of the other ghastly mistakes, blunders and misjudgments of which they have been guilty, it would justify this Dáil in ending the term of office of this administration today.

This Government were formed on the basis of halting and reducing unemployment. That was probably the most important single undertaking they gave and the most clearcut reason why they were able to form a coalition. They have failed to do that and, therefore, they are no longer entitled to the support or confidence of Dáil Éireann.

It would be bad enough if this Government were honestly trying to reduce the levels of unemployment but were being prevented by circumstances from doing so. But that is not the case. The policies which this Government are implementing are actually hostile to employment. Time and time again they have, either by deliberate action in pulling the plug or by refusal to act when they should have, added to the level of unemployment directly by their behaviour. The last three and a half years present a picture of economic devastation, of close-down after close-down, bankruptcy after bankruptcy, redundancies and more redundancies, dole queues lengthening, while an aloof monetarist Government stood back as a matter of deliberate policy and let it all happen without lifting a finger.

The programme of Government also specifically undertook to reduce the proportion of total tax which is paid by the PAYE sector. That it has completely failed to do. During their term of office over the last three and a half years personal taxation has been savagely increased. There was no reduction, as promised. They did not make any positive move to reduce the burden on the PAYE sector — in fact, they have done exactly the reverse. They have piled more and more burdens onto wage and salary earners to the point where they are now by far the most heavily taxed group of taxpayers in the entire European Community.

The proportion of tax taken in income tax and levies rose from 36.8 per cent of total tax in 1982 to 40.5 per cent of tax in 1986. Within the income tax category the estimated proportion of tax from PAYE as opposed to income tax from farmers and self-employed has risen from 87 per cent in 1982 to 90.3 per cent in 1986. They are not my figures, they were given in an oral answer by the predecessor to the Minister for Finance on 20 February 1986.

Income tax from PAYE as a proportion of total tax has increased from 31.3 per cent in 1982 to 32.3 per cent in 1986. There was no reduction in the proportion there. These figures do not however, include levies deducted at source. If these are included, with the same percentage in each year attributed to PAYE, then income tax, including levies, has risen from just 32 per cent to over 34 per cent of tax revenue in the four years, all of this in the context of a substantial increase in the overall tax burden.

Many people would have taken the pledge in the Joint Programme for Government to mean an absolute reduction in the amount of tax under PAYE. It would have been fair to read that assumption into it. In fact, when it is adjusted for inflation the amount of tax to be taken under PAYE in 1986 is about 25 per cent higher than in 1982. Whatever way one looks at it, whatever basis for comparison one uses, the result is that this Coalition of Fine Gael and Labour have not fulfilled their tax pledges. The opposite is the case. There has been a massive increase in taxation, including a substantial increase in the tax paid by those on PAYE.

This motion deals with these two major planks in the Coalition's programme for Government on which they have reneged. If, however, any Deputy might not be totally convinced on the basis of those two issues alone, let me give a brief outline of other areas of that infamous programme in which promises have not been fulfilled either.

The current budget deficit, far from being phased out, was at its highest level ever last year, £1,284 million, or just over 8 per cent of GNP. The second chapter of the programme states that the Government will concentrate upon the achievement of recovery at the outset of their period in office. Four years on there is still no sign of recovery. There was also the promise of an additional £100 million to be spent on areas of defective infrastructure. I am certain some Deputies will have forgotten that the Government were to allocate an extra £100 million to areas where the infrastructure appeared defective. Instead, the whole capital programme has been cut by one third. Far from the undertaking that indirect taxes would be minimised, they have been greatly increased. VAT, in particular, was savagely increased on a number of occasions. Many of the other undertakings on tax were not implemented, such as, "all income taxation to be on current year basis" or "expansion of full PRSI to the Civil Service". A tax on derelict sites has not been implemented. We were promised that 30,000 houses would be built each year. I heard the Tánaiste reiterate that promise; but, in fact, output has fallen to less than 24,000 per annum. The Book of Estimates has not been produced and, obviously, will not been produced in September as promised. There is no longer time to make good these pledges, many of which are far out of reach. Clinging on will not improve the electoral prospects of the parties in Government or those who keep them there — I note I am addressing empty benches at the moment — but only accentuate popular anger and resentment. The stated basis on which Fine Gael and Labour agreed to govern no longer exists. Surely, it is time to recognise that clear and simple fact.

I want to avail of this debate to once again nail the untruth which is constantly repeated by the Government and, in particular, by the Taoiseach about the history of the public finances of this country in recent times. The Taoiseach is consistently dishonest and deceitful on this issue.

Recently, on a carefully stage managed television phone-in, with all the trappings suitably provided by the faithful RTE, he again sought to distort the truth. The figures clearly show that an overwhelming portion of our present national debt was borrowed by Governments of which Deputy Dr. Fitzgerald was either Taoiseach or a prominent and influential member. I have, on a number of occasions in this House, quoted from statements by the Taoiseach when he was a member of the 1973-77 Coalition Government in which he advocated budget deficit financing and foreign borrowing to meet the budget deficits. He has never denied these statements. Nevertheless, he has the audacity to continue to mislead the public about the position regarding borrowing and the national debt and the real history of what has happened. Those statements, which he has not denied, can now go on a par with his famous statement, recently unearthed, that in fact he is against divorce.

Though there has been a massive campaign to conceal the fact, the truth is that our current financial difficulties had their origin in 1973. It was then the major upsurge in the national debt and foreign borrowing began. The total foreign debt is now £8.4 billion and Coalition Governments have been responsible for 63 per cent of that amount; nearly two-thirds of it.

Of the increase in the total national debt by borrowing that took place in the period 1973 to 1985, the two Coalition Governments accounted for 59 per cent, while 41 per cent was borrowed by Fianna Fáil Governments.

In three years of this present Coalition to the end of 1985 the national debt has increased from £12.8 billion to £20.4 billion. That is an increase of over £8 billion in the last three and a half years, which is the equivalent of the entire national debt incurred under all Fianna Fáil Governments put together. Each year, the Government is borrowing about £650 million, one third of the annual total of £2 billion, just to pay unemployment benefit alone. That is some sensible economic policy. The cost of unemployment payments and of disability benefit has increased by 44 per cent since 1982 in real terms, discounting inflation. If the growth in unemployment had been halted as promised, the payments saved and the extra revenue would have brought down the current budget deficit to £700 or £800 million or 4 per cent of GNP instead of £1,250 million as it is this year.

Not content with distorting the position about borrowing, the Taoiseach in his radio interview claimed that the reason taxes were so high was — and I quote "because between 1977 and 1981 you had an increase in the volume of public spending of 40 per cent. Once a Government gets into office and literally goes mad like that, as no other Government I've ever heard of in any democracy had done, the clearing up of that mess takes a very long time".

The Taoiseach's figure of 40 per cent is accurate. The increase in current day to day expenditure on supply services for the period between 1977 and 1981 was 40 per cent but, what the Taoiseach did not say on that stage managed TV programme was that day to day public expenditure grew by 43 per cent 1973 and 1977 under a Government of which the Taoiseach was a member, though he now talks as if he never heard of such a Government. The present Minister for Finance was not a member of that Government but I am sorry to have to tell the former Taoiseach, Liam Cosgrave, and all the upstanding men who were members of that Coalition from 1973 to 1977, that the Taoiseach today has forgotten all about them — they never existed.

Mistakes of economic management may have been made at different times by different Governments, but in the 1977-81 period there was a substantial increase in employment of 68,000 under the Fianna Fáil Government, a stark contrast with today when this Government borrow to pay unemployment benefit, not to invest. If the Taoiseach considers that the level of current expenditure is too high, why has he not availed himself of the last four budgets to cut it? The fact is that current expenditure has increased in volume terms by a further 7 per cent since this Government took office.

This Government, when they came into office, published their bogus Programme for Government and immediately discarded it. Having brought the Labour Party into the position of support, they proceeded to subvert that support into supporting totally different policies. The world has been in the economic recession for a long time and nobody would expect this country, which has a small open economy and is very dependent on international trade for its prosperity, not to suffer from the effects of that world economic recession. But I believe it can be clearly and categorically demonstrated that the effects of that recession in our case were grossly exaggerated by the unsound policies pursued by this Government.

In their obsession with the budgetary position, they discarded and threw aside every other economic objective and social consideration, and the formula that they applied to deal with the public finances was basically wrong. They sought to correct the imbalance by imposing higher taxes. That policy, as we pointed out at the time and can now clearly be shown, was self-defeating. It started a downward spiral which has fed upon itself consistently since and brought us now to this appalling, dreadful state of permanent mass unemployment, high emigration and high taxation.

The latest OECD outlook shows that in 1985 Ireland experienced the worst growth performance in the entire OECD, with a drop in real GNP of 0.7 per cent. We had the distinction of being the only country with a negative growth rate. Despite a major propaganda campaign — this should influence Deputies in how they vote — there is no indication that this year will show any significant improvement, despite the windfall drop in oil prices. We all know where the information came from on which the OECD reports are based. How far out the OECD forecasts are likely to be, can be shown by reading out a couple of sentences from their May 1986 Bulletin:

Private consumption growth may accelerate to 3½ per cent, buoyed by lower inflation and a projected recovery in agricultural income. Investment is also expected to display more strength, primarily as a result of a pick-up in construction.

Projected recovery in agricultural income, a pick up in construction? According to the chief economist of the IFA there will be at least a 5 per cent drop in farm incomes this year with milk production to the end of May already down 11 per cent. As for the pick-up in construction, the CIF are forecasting an 8 per cent fall in building activity this year, with current sales falling for the fourth month in a row. Add to that a significant drop in tourism. A drop of a quarter in the number of American tourists means a 5 per cent drop in total tourism revenue.

The benefits of lower inflation have not been passed on either to the productive sector or the consumer, because interest rates, despite today's reductions, remain extremely high. The average rate of inflation is likely to be 3 per cent in 1986 and the real interest rate for productive borrowing will still be 8 per cent or 9 per cent and for the private borrower 12 per cent. Three times under this Administration rates have risen sharply: in the spring of 1983, in the spring of 1985 and the spring of 1986.

The Government's vacillating exchange rate policy, about which there is still a lot of confusion and uncertainty, has contributed to these periodic sharp rises in interest rates, which have led to an even wider divergence between the rate of inflation and the rate of return of investment required to cover borrowings. Let us not forget the economic growth of the sixties was fuelled by low-interest rates. Factors contributing to persistent high interest rates today are the rise of the current budget deficit which pushes up the price of domestic funds, the DIRT tax, and uncertainty about exchange rate movements. It is very well to have glowing headlines about a reduction in interest rates, but that is not what matters. It is the competitive aspect that matters, and if real interest rates in Ireland are 8 per cent to 9 per cent how can Irish industry and the Irish economy be expected to compete with nations whose rates are infinitely lower?

Evidence at the moment does not support the contention that there will be an upswing in manufacturing output this year. The latest quarterly figures to the end of February show stagnation. Our OECD friends talk of the "expected recovery of the high technology sector" but exports of office machines and automatic data processing equipment showed only a 3 per cent increase in the first four months of this year. If we look at retail sales, the latest figures show a negligible 0.1 per cent increase in volume compared with the preceding three month period.

It is difficult, no matter what the national handlers and their sympathetic commentators in the newspapers say, to see any real upswing in the Irish economy this year. Expectations of a slight increase in employment do not seem to be justified in the light of what is happening in the different sectors. What we have at the moment is an economy that is completely failing to respond to favourable developments in the external environment, because the policies of this Government are wrong and are giving us the worst economic performance of any country in Europe. That precisely is why this motion is before you. We need to change those policies before we get anything worth while going. I hope that when the Minister intervenes he will not again claim credit for lowering rates of inflation, because the Minister knows as well as I that he has nothing whatever to do with the lowering of rates of inflation. Rates of inflation are declining internationally and Ireland is following suit. I hope the Minister will not have the audacity to claim any credit for falling rates of inflation.

The Deputy should get back to the script.

In my view any Deputy who does not vote for this motion will be going against the wishes of the majority of his or her constituents. For selfish political reasons, they will be voting for a continuation of policies that have failed, that are seen to have failed and are rejected by the people. If every Deputy in this House who rejects the economic and social policies of this Government were to vote accordingly, then those policies would be rejected by Dáil Éireann and would have to be changed. That is the issue that is before the House and before every Deputy here. I challenge every Deputy here to face that issue. A vote for our motion will be a vote against the disastrous economic policies of this Government. A vote for any of these flimsy, fictitious type of amendments will be an attempt to dodge the real issue we are asking the House to face this evening and tomorrow evening.

It has been stated that Fianna Fáil are being opportunistic in putting down this motion. It is difficult to understand what exactly is meant by such a statement. At present, there are in Dáil Éireann, a majority of Deputies who, at one time or another, have condemned the economic policies of this Government. That is the factual position. We in Fianna Fáil are seeking to give that majority of Deputies an opportunity to express their rejection and condemnation of Government economic policy in a formal way by passing this motion. That seems to us to be completely in accordance with normal parliamentary practice. We believe that it is perfectly valid to mobilise the opposition that exists in this House to the disastrous policies of this Government and to ask the Dáil to give formal expression to that opposition. I do not see how anyone will call that opportunistic.

I would like to suggest that if anyone is being opportunistic on this occasion it is those who, even though they have condemned and spoken strongly against this Government and their policies and performance, nevertheless will not come out clearly and vote in accordance with the views they have so often expressed because their own narrow party interests dictate that they should keep this Government in office until it suits their electoral purposes to get rid of them. In my view, that clearly qualifies as being opportunistic. I am talking about Deputies of parties here who have trenchantly condemned the disastrous economic and social policies of this Government but who will not now give expression to that condemnation by voting for our motion.

Attempts will, of course, be made in this debate to misrepresent Fianna Fáil's approach to our economic problems and the thrust of our economic policies. I believe, however, that the programme of economic recovery which I outlined at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis is not alone right but is also an urgent national necessity.

I cannot accept the views of the new Right about the economic situation. They may be able to look with equanimity on a society which is enduring permanent mass unemployment, high emigration and widespread hardship throughout all sections of the population and from that viewpoint advocate policies of non-intervention by the Government. Fianna Fáil are not prepared, as are the new Right, to look unconcerned on this appalling situation as if it were the natural order of things or dictated to us by some unchal-lengeable economic doctrine. The policies pursued by this Government are, in our view, completely inappropriate. We must try out of desperation if nothing else to devise an alternative, a policy which will ensure that whatever borrowing is undertaken by the State is used for investment and job creation and not to pay for rising unemployment, as is now happening. We have analysed the situation and consulted with those whom we know from experience to be knowledgeable and expert in their understanding of the Irish economic situation and its special features. We have identified the course of action we intend to pursue.

First of all, we see the most important economic task and the most difficult one to be the development of our economy, so that it can provide jobs and reasonable standards of living for our population. We do not believe that this will be easy and, in fact, I clearly stated in my Ard Fheis speech that I saw it as a tremendous challenge.

The primary concern of our policy will be to develop our natural resources such as agriculture, fisheries, fish-farming, forestry, minerals and hydrocarbons, to create a spirit of enterprise, to develop quality products using as far as possible local expertise and raw materials and to ensure the application of high-technology to everything we produce on the farm and in the factory. We intend to take full advantage of the intelligence and adaptability of our young labour force, the most computer-literate in the world, in developing high-technology science-based modern industry. We will create a climate for investment which will encourage wealth to stay and be usefully deployed in the Irish economy for the benefit of the Irish people.

Our strategy involves selective investment but it does not involve massive public expenditure, or the indiscriminate raising of aggregate demand, but rather a raising of the supply capacity of the economy over the period of our programme. We argue also that selective taxation reductions and tax incentives can be financially and economically rewarding and that there are clear examples of what can be achieved in this regard. As regards our intention to invest immediately in the building and construction industry, what we propose is selective investment in projects that will enhance the productive potential of the Irish economy. Much of this could be achieved by private funding, if necessary. There is also the very important factor, one that seems to have been completely ignored by this Government, that structural development can be achieved at half its economic cost because the EC will help to finance suitable projects. That is an idiotic aspect of the economic policies of this Government, that in every region in the country there are sound projects to improve the infrastructure that could be started tomorrow morning and to which the EC will contribute 50 per cent. However, this Government will not undertake them because they will not subscribe the other 50 per cent. That is economic madness, apart from all the other things of which this Government are guilty.

The economic and social policies pursued by this Government have done enormous psychological damage. They have brought confrontation and divisiveness, born out of frustration. Our nation has lost its cohesion, people are turning against each other, each section blaming some other section for the present mess. There is no longer any sense of national purpose, no overall consensus, no broad agreement on what we should be trying to achieve. The very high number of people seeking to emigrate is perhaps the most worrying manifestation of this negative and depressing outlook. It indicates a high level of disillusion and loss of confidence in the future. It is the inevitable outcome of three and a half years of hopelessly bad government. This Government act constantly to worsen the situation. They are divisive in practically everything they do. Fianna Fáil clearly see it to be one of our priorities to reestablish a sense of unity of purpose, based on sound economic planning which can be seen to be in the interests of all sections of the community.

I now ask all those Deputies who reject both the policies and performance of this Government, who wish to see an end to permanent mass unemployment, allied to emigration and high taxation, who deplore the widespread hardship in the community, to demonstrate this in the only way that matters — by voting for our motion.

I move amendment No 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:

"Dáil Éireann approves the policies of Government to develop the economy, in the face of difficult conditions internationally and domestically, and, in particular the measures it has taken (a) to promote investment and employment and (b) to curb the growth of public expenditure and, thus, of the requirement for high taxation".

The rhetoric of this House tends, all too often, to display a total disregard for facts and realities, especially when it comes to the economy. This evening and tomorrow we will, no doubt, be assailed from the benches opposite with pictures of an economy in deep crisis and allegations that this is the result of Government policies. The truth, however, is that the real crisis was the one which faced us in the early eighties, when we took control — and that is a most apt phrase — of the financial affairs of a country which stood at the edge of a precipice. Today, by contrast, it is well on the mend and we can look forward to a period of sustained growth and progress towards all our major economic and social objectives, provided commonsense continues to guide economic policy.

When the Government took office towards the end of 1982 the economy was in the grip of a severe recession. There had been an abject failure to make the necessary adjustments to absorb the oil price shock of the late seventies. We had sought to cushion ourselves against reality through increased borrowing and increased spending. The consequence of this was that this Government inherited a huge public finance problem with builtin pressures for further growth in expenditure and in borrowing.

From the very beginning the Government have followed a consistent policy to cope with an extremely difficult situation. This policy has been reflected in successive budgets and in the national plan, Building on Reality. The main elements of this policy have been first, to minimise the effects of the recession and, within the constraints imposed, to provide the best possible environment for employment; secondly, to exercise a prudent control over the public finances; thirdly, to reform the taxation system, and, fourthly, to protect the position of those on low incomes.

The facts of the economic situation which we inherited speak for themselves. Firstly, public sector borrowing, at over 20 per cent of GNP, was running at levels more commonly seen in Third World countries than in a modern developed economy. Secondly, inflation had been around 20 per cent annually, eroding our international competitiveness and causing large scale job losses. Thirdly, industrial production was stagnant; and, fourthly, our balance of payments deficit, which in 1981 was almost 15 per cent of GNP, and would have been higher still if I had not taken action in my mini-budget of July of that year, was of a magnitude which threatened national solvency. Indeed, if we had continued to accumulate overseas debt on that scale, the cost of servicing it would within a few short years have gobbled up a frightening proportion of our export earnings.

Surely, it might be argued, there were some benefits from the splurge of deficit financed spending which we inherited. Was it not generating jobs and bringing us closer to the goal of full employment which had been promised? Far from it, according to the statistics available. At the end of 1982 the level of unemployment was twice what it had been in late 1979, when Deputy Haughey warned of the policies which he then commenced to implement. The number of persons out of work was, in fact, spiralling upwards with an increase of almost 40,000 a year when Deputy Haughey left office. As the House is aware, the rate of increase is now more like one-tenth the amount which was the case when this Government came to office. Therefore, it is surprising to hear Deputy Haughey speak with such eloquence about the employment problem when his own record — as witnessed by the increase in unemployment when he vacated office — was that his words were not matched by his deeds when he had the opportunity to do something.

If one had been able to pick a time in which to correct serious imbalances in the public finances no one would have chosen the past few years. As an incoming Government we could not, unfortunately, afford the luxury of making that choice: the nation's problems were much too serious to defer corrective action to a more propitious or easier time. If the prevailing trends had been left unchecked, the financial imbalances would rapidly have escalated to insoluble proportions. We had to move against a distinctly unfavourable international background — the deepest and most prolonged economic recession since the thirties, which gave way to an only modest recovery. Between 1981 and 1985, for instance, real GDP in the European Community showed average growth of only 1½ per cent, about half the figure for the previous ten years.

International monetary developments, moreover, compounded the problems which we faced from the legacy of debt. Real interest rates shot up in the eighties, so that the burden which the economy and the Exchequer had to bear became crushing. Real rates in the European Community's money markets last year were positive to the extent of over 4 per cent, a far cry from the negative cost that applied in the seventies. Unfortunately, in the eighties we had to pay much higher interest rates on debts accumulated in the seventies and the first two or three years of the eighties than was the case when that borrowing was first undertaken. That is something which was conveniently ignored by Deputy Haughey in his lengthy, just completed, treatise on the subject.

The experience of the last few years should be a salutory warning to those who contemplate, let alone advocate, either reducing taxation or increasing expenditure by means of borrowed money. Given the huge burden of debt which this Government inherited, as well as the consequent increases in taxation to service this debt, together with the other measures needed to bring order to the public finances, is it any wonder that unemployment increased as it did between 1982 and 1985? The experience since the late seventies has shown very clearly that we cannot buy sustainable employment with borrowed money. A cut in taxation or an increase in spending, which is financed by additional borrowing, is not reduced in any way in regard to the amount of borrowing involved simply by using the adjective "selective"— talking about "selective tax cuts" and "selective increases in expenditure", as if this word had a magical quality which rendered what one could not pay for capable of being paid for simply because the word "selective" is used. Deputy Haughey uses the word "selective" as if it had some form of virtue-giving quality which enabled what otherwise was incapable of being paid for capable of being paid for. That is a form of self-deception——

No, self-financing.

——which few in this House are capable of, and I will not speculate as to whether Deputy Haughey in this instance is capable of it.

Why does the Minister not set his own record?

Where are all the troops?

Where is the Minister's policy?

I did not interrupt Deputy Haughey for the very good reason that his own backbenchers were demonstrating by the soporific expression on their faces that his words were not having a very great impact.

At least they were here.

I felt there was no great need to interrupt because, although Deputy Haughey could not see them, the Deputies behind him——

Where are the troops?

——despite the fact that they had been dragooned here to listen to this incantation, were unable to forebear to yawn.

The boy stood on the burning deck.

Where are the Government backbenchers?

I have no need of support. My words speak for themselves.

The boy stood on the burning deck when all but he had fled.

I heard Deputy Lenihan making similar remarks some years ago and I am still on the deck and I will be on the deck for many years to come, Deputy Haughey and Deputy Lenihan will look on with envy and with a sense of lost opportunity.

The Minister was sunk for a while.

Very briefly off the deck, but I am back again and here to stay. I would advise the Deputies opposite not to give assistance to this side of the House by interrupting me. They would only provoke me into saying things that I would not regret saying but which some of my hearers might regret hearing.

There is a strong, mutually re-enforcing relationship between high taxation and high unemployment. High taxation acts as a disincentive to employees, who see an ever-increasing wedge driven between their gross pay and take home income. Nearly all of us in this House are agreed that progress in tackling unemployment depends very much on success in curbing this high level of taxation.

The contrast between the economic situation we inherited and that which we have brought about through our responsible and enlightened policies is very striking. The economy is now firmly on the path of sustained growth. By the end of this year, we will be able to look back on three years in which real GDP has expanded at an average rate of over 3 per cent, rather better than we had envisaged in the document Building on Reality 1985-1987.

A particularly encouraging feature is that the recovery has broadened out from one based largely on exports to embrace a strong pick-up in domestic demand. Last year consumer spending grew in real terms for the first time since 1981 and, so far in 1986, retail sales are showing an even stronger increase — by over 3 per cent in the first two months of the year.

The prospects for an all-round improvement in the economy in 1986 are better than they have been for many years. This brighter outlook has been confirmed by the forecasts published recently by a number of domestic and international agencies some of which Deputy Haughey was kind enough to quote as if to advertise them but not to demolish them. Economic growth is likely to accelerate and real GDP could grow by over 3 per cent. Domestic demand will be boosted by the improvement in consumer confidence, the rise in real incomes, the fall in interest rates and the measures introduced by the Government to assist building activity and employment. Inflation will continue to fall and, provided crude oil prices and exchange rates remain broadly stable, the annual rate of inflation should be down to about 2 per cent in the second half of the year.

The fall in oil prices has also improved the prospects for our major trading partners. This will provide us with an opportunity to expand our exports, provided we adjust our costs in line with the new price regime which prevails in international markets. I am confident that this year will see a substantial growth in the trade surplus and that the balance of payments deficit will continue to lessen. Our oil import bill will be reduced dramatically and the overall deficit might be about half the 3½ per cent of GNP recorded in 1985. I believe that this more buoyant outlook will be reflected in a substantial increase in employment in 1986.

The Government's primary objective has been, and remains, to halt and then reverse the upward spiral of unemployment. We adhere to our conviction that the best, indeed the only, way to meet the employment challenge is to create the right economic environment for job creation. Responsible economic policies are a fundamental prerequisite, but we have not stopped there not do we intend to so so. The Government have moved in several areas to further the development of the economy. Among these was the publication — for the first time by any Government in Ireland — of a White Paper on Tourism. This means that tourism will now be a central part of Government policy making, reflecting its potential for further employment creation.

Industrial policy in respect of manufacturing and traded services has been modified to accord better with the needs of the economy and, in particular, to give us a more dynamic indigenous sector. The emphasis has been shifted from grant aiding fixed asset investment towards encouraging instead technology acquisition, promoting the development of international services and small businesses, and encouraging research and development. The Industrial Development Act, 1986, which became law last month, provides for two significant new measures, namely, technology acquisition grants and employment grants for small firms.

Last October the Government introduced a package of measures specifically designed to boost employment creation in the near term. These measures have been very successful; 80,000 completed application forms for home improvement grants have been received to date and the PRSI exemption scheme for employers has had the effect of reducing the unemployment total by close on 3,000. This year's budget and the Finance Bill contain a wide range of measures designed to improve incentives for enterprise and investment and so promote wealth creation and employment growth in Ireland.

In the 1986 Finance Act, which has recently been enacted, there are a number of incentives to encourage share investment in manufacturing business and to promote financial participation by workers. There is an extension of the business expansion scheme first introduced in 1984, a new scheme to encourage research and product development and a reduced charge on dividends from manufacturing companies. In addition, the tax terms for profit sharing schemes have been improved and a new scheme has been introduced to provide tax relief for investment by employees. These incentives are designed to encourage risk investment in Irish-owned businesses, to improve relations in the workplace and so create a better climate for greater economic development and more employment.

The available indicators make it clear that the corner has been turned as far as employment is concerned. Figures for the last quarter of 1985 suggest that stabilisation of manufacturing employment is a realistic prospect. The unemployment figures also give cause for optimism for the future. The average year-on-year increase in the live register in the first five months of this year was only about a third of that in the comparable period last year and represented a mere one-seventh of the peak year-on-year increases in unemployment of over 40,000 recorded in late 1982 when Deputy Haughey left office and early 1983.

When the wide ranging and imaginative measures taken by this Government take full effect it will be seen that, in this area as in others, the objectives of the national plan are realistic. I believe that there is good reason for confidence that the Irish economy, if managed properly, can generate enough employment to meet the needs of our growing labour force and give those now out of work the prospect of returning to gainful activity.

Why have they not done it?

Let me draw, if I may, a contrast between our approach to creating employment and that displayed on the other side of the House. Our aim, with the various incentives that I have put in place in the tax area and the incentives that my colleague, Deputy Michael Noonan, has put in place in the manufacturing grants, are designed to get Irish people to put their money into creating jobs. As far as I can see, the objective on the other side of the House is to get foreigners to lend money so that the Government, not the people, can put this in place. I believe that selective investment should be selected by people who are selecting investments in order to make money for themselves because they have a viable prospect of selling the results of that investment. That is a far better way of creating durable jobs than the quick fix approach demonstrated on the other side of the House where money borrowed from foreign banks is spent by a domestic Government in a way that has no real selectivity and no real prospect of succeeding in its objective by comparison with the decentralised and much more effective approach to employment creation which underlies the approach in this year's Finance Bill, in the White Paper on Industrial Policy, the White Paper on Tourism and all the other measures designed to improve fundamentally the efficiency of our economy rather than creating foreign financed palliatives of the kind advocated by Deputy Haughey and his associates.

Unemployment is still rising.

In the Programme for Government the primary emphasis was on achieving a better distribution of taxation. The Government policy, as enunciated in the budget of 1983, was to devise tax arrangements under which the heaviest burden would be carried by those best able to pay. While the Government would have wished at the time to reduce levels of taxation on some categories immediately, the reality was that the imbalance in the State's finance did not allow immediate tax concessions on any scale, unless public expenditure were to be curtailed to an unacceptable extent.

In assessing the Government's record on taxation, it is essential in the first instance to reflect on the economic and financial situation which they inherited. The economy was in a grip of severe recession. The financial situation was a matter of extreme concern so that the Government's room for manoeuvre in framing a budget strategy was very limited. There had been a manifest failure previously to adjust living standards to the oil price shock of the late seventies; the growth in borrowing was most disturbing and was calling our credit standing into question. Efforts to stimulate demand by pouring more money into the system had proved counter-productive, as Deputy Haughey warned they would before he changed course in 1979.

There has been much criticism of the Government for failing to give due attention to the reports of the Commission on Taxation. This criticism is unjustified. The first report of the commission was published in 1982 and the fifth and final report towards the end of last year.

The main findings of the commission were that there should be a single rate of direct taxation and single rate of VAT and that self-assessment should be introduced on a wide scale. In all the commission made several hundred recommendations and they emphasised that their package could only be introduced over an extended period. As stated repeatedly, the Government are in full sympathy with the general thrust of the commission's findings. These lead towards a tax system which would be more simple, more equitable and more efficient.

The Government have reservations, however, about the merits of a single rate of direct taxation in particular because of the possible impact of this on the less well off and the relatively high rate that would be required to maintain the existing revenue yield. The commission's reports are complex, they raise issues of fundamental importance and it is unfortunate that some commentators have dealt with them in a very facile manner without any proper analysis of the consequences of implementing these reports in full.

Government policy on taxation was again outlined in the national plan. The principal commitments given then were that there would be no increase in the overall level of taxation and that bands and allowances would be adjusted each year so that the overall income tax burden on taxpayers would not increase. The Government have more than honoured these commitments.

There have been major changes in the taxation system since publication of the plan. In 1985 there were fundamental changes in the income tax and VAT structures. The emphasis was on major simplification and a reduction in the highest rates. The number of income tax rates was reduced to three; and the VAT system was streamlined by reducing the number of rates from six to three.

These were changes of great importance and they were very much in sympathy with the thinking of the Commission on Taxation. It is the Government's intention that further streamlining will take place as soon as circumstances allow.

This year's budget contained real benefits for the PAYE taxpayer in particular. The Government decided that substantial reductions in income tax should be the priority so as to provide for real increases in disposable incomes. To provide the revenue needed for these increases, it was necessary to increase substantially the tax yield from the activities of the financial institutions.

The principal income tax changes are that the income levy has been discontinued; the PAYE allowance has been increased from £600 to £700; the personal allowance has been increased from £3,000 to £4,000 for a married couple and from £1,900 to £2,000 for a single person; the top rate of tax has been reduced from 60 per cent to 58 per cent; the 35 per cent tax band, which is the standard rate, has been widened from £9,000 to £9,400 for married persons and from £4,500 to £4,700 for single persons.

In addition, the age exemption limits were increased and the age allowance was doubled. This income tax package is costing £121 million this year and £205 million in a full year.

The argument will be made that the yield from income tax will be higher in 1986 than in 1985. This argument is facile. Of course, the yield will be higher and there are obvious reasons for this.

First of all, the 1986 figure includes a substantial contribution from the retention tax, which is classified as income tax although it is not. The yield is also higher because of a number of other factors, principally the fact that wages are moving ahead of general inflation. Obviously, income tax yields will increase as wage levels rise.

What matters is the tax imposition on individual taxpayers this year vis-á-vis the past income tax year. For all taxpayers there are improvements in disposable income. I would also like to draw attention here to the new child benefit scheme; since April there has been a 25 per cent increase in the child benefit and this has been of particular advantage to lower income families.

There were also other changes of significance in the 1986 budget. There was further rationalisation of the VAT system through the reduction of tax on some items. It was, unfortunately, necessary to increase the standard rate because of revenue requirements. All the VAT changes have not get come into effect. We can look forward to reductions in the VAT on meals and a range of personal services from 1 July.

Substantial improvements in tax collection and enforcement procedures were announced by the Taoiseach in Dáil Éireann last autumn and these are now being implemented. Some of these changes required amending legislation — for instance, the surcharge on late payments — and the appropriate provisions are in the Finance Act. Arrangements are now completed for extending the requirement of a tax clearance certificate to sub-contractors.

Tax levels continue to be unduely high. It is Government policy to reduce these levels progressively by widening a tax base and improving the efficiency of collection. Further reform of the tax system is high on the Government's list of priorities. It is wishful thinking to expect that there can be dramatic reductions in tax levels overnight.

Dramatic reductions could only be achieved either through intolerable cuts in public expenditure or further increases in borrowing. These approaches simply add to our problems. There is need for tax reform; there will be further reform with the emphasis on reducing tax levels, especially for those who are now carrying a high burden, and on moving towards a manifestly fairer system.

The priority accorded to social policy by this Government is particularly evident in our record in relation to social welfare recipients. From the outset our Programme for Government undertook to maintain the living standards of that section of the community which relies on welfare payments for its long-term support. Between mid-1983 and mid-1986, pensions and other long-term payments were increased by over 27 per cent. Inflation over this period is estimated at approximately 18 per cent so that pensioners have got a real increase, over and above inflation, of about 8 per cent. The long-term unemployed got a real increase of over 12 per cent over the same period.

Similarly, this year's increase of 4 per cent for pensioners from July 1986 is to cover the period mid-1986 to mid-1987. It is now expected that inflation over that 12-month period will be only about 1 per cent. Not only have we honoured our commitments to welfare recipients, we have exceeded them — and this at a time of great constraints upon the public finances.

A new child benefit payment was introduced as from April this year giving a payment of £15.05 per month for each of the first five children. This represents an increase of 25 per cent on the children's allowance of £12.05. The payment in respect of the sixth and subsequent children was increased to £21.75 per month thereby preserving the differential which had till then existed in favour of larger families. The combination of measures underlying these new payments, together with the net additional Exchequer cost of £11 million in 1986, ensures a more selective distribution of resources: lower income families on social welfare or below the tax threshold benefit while the position of standard rate taxpayers is protected.

Finally, I should mention one major aspect of social welfare policy which has implications much wider than social provisions. Despite significant increases in social insurance expenditure in recent years, the Government have adhered to their policy of containing the level of PRSI contributions in order to avoid increasing industrial costs. Apart from minor adjustments in contribution rates to the occupational injuries and redundancy funds, the rates of PRSI for employers, and employees, have not been increased in any of the last four budgets.

Seeing that many comparisons will be made in this debate, it is useful to reflect on the record of previous administrations. In particular, it is instructive to look at some trends in the period 1977-1981. This was the period in which prudence was thrown to the winds and the emphasis was on spending and borrowing with no regard to the consequences. Between 1977 and 1981 the cost of servicing the national debt increased from £78 million to £250 million. In other words, in a short period of five years the cost of debt servicing rose by more than 220 per cent. During this period also there were continuous and serious departures each year from the budget targets. The credibility of the whole budget process was being undermined.

The Opposition are most concerned about the treatment of the PAYE taxpayer. If we go back to the period 1977-1981 again, we find that over this period PAYE, as a percentage of all tax paid, rose from less than 30 per cent to nearly 34 per cent. So, while spending was rising at an exceptional rate and there were enormous overruns on budget deficits, the PAYE taxpayer was still called up to pay an increasing proportion of total taxation.

Pay increases also ran ahead of inflation during this period. While the CPI rose by just over 70 per cent, average earnings in manufacturing rose by more than 80 per cent. Increases in public service numbers were at record levels and there was a policy of job creation just for the sake of increasing job numbers without any regard to efficiency or ultimate cost.

The spendthrift days would quickly return if we accepted the latest opposition promises. At the recent Ard Fheis there was a promise of an increase of £200 million in the public capital programme. In addition, VAT on building would be reduced at a further cost of more than £50 million. There were further promises — that two-thirds of all income tax payers would be brought on to the standard rate, that the retention tax would be modified and that cuts in food subsidies would be restored. Altogether, I estimate that the Ard Fheis promises would add up to £450 million. It would be instructive if Deputy Haughey had used his opportunity in this debate to tell us how all this would have been paid for. Perhaps the solution might be to resort to borrowing again as in 1977-1981. We have a right to know how the Opposition would pay for the politics of promises which so dominate the oratory which we heard in this debate.

The Minister has 30 seconds left.

I will use them to reject the calls made from the other side of the House because there is no content in them and no policy behind them. They stand for nothing except an avaricious greed to be on this side of the House regardless of the consequences and of the policies to be pursued.

There are 240,000 people out of work.

(Interruptions.)

The Coalition's first budget in 1983 spelled out the programme on which this House and this country should judge their performance. The Minister for Finance, Deputy Dukes, said quite clearly in January of 1983 in his budget speech:

In our Programme for Government we are committed to achieving economic growth and higher employment, while exercising a disciplined financial management...

The statement goes on:

This policy will require that we... eliminate the current budget deficit ... between now and 1987.

Eliminating the deficit means both extra taxation, on the one hand, and controlling State expenditure on the other.

These commitments were extremely explicit and undertaken after the Government assumed office and had an opportunity to assess the realism or otherwise of the promises put forward in that election.

I would now like, in the time I have available, to review dispassionately their success or otherwise in achieving these self-imposed targets and, on this basis, to ask this House to consider whether it is in Ireland's best interest that it retains its present management or whether it seeks at an early occasion to dismiss that management. I suggest that any management in a company or in a business which produced the results that I am about to lay before this House tonight would meet with only one response from those share-holders at the annual general meeting and that response would be dismissal.

The Government committed themselves to higher employment. Let us see what happened. The average level of employment in our manufacturing industries stood at 214,000 in early 1982. It fell by 27,000 since then to a level of 187,000 in 1985. Let me select just one other industry, our second largest industry, that is, the construction industry. When Minister Dukes delivered that 1983 budget speech the index of employment in private building firms stood at 75 per cent. It has fallen every year since then and now the figure is 49 per cent. Notwithstanding the inadequate measures taken last year, employment in building and construction has quite clearly been devastated.

More generally, the recent OECD report clearly shows that employment growth in Ireland from 1983 to 1986 falls dramatically short of that achieved by other EC countries and by the industrial countries taken as a whole. That is clear from even a cursory glance at the recent OECD outlook publication.

But let us have a look at the other side of the coin, that is, unemployment. The Joint Programme for Government pledged itself "to reverse the disastrous rise in unemployment". That disastrous figure was 187,000 people, 60,000 people fewer than the level at which it now stands. This figure clearly shows that the unemployment rate has risen year by year during the Government's tenure from 12 per cent in 1982 to the present level today of some 17½ per cent. It is important to point out that the Government, in their amendment here tonight to this motion, blame what they call "difficult conditions internationally". The facts indicate otherwise. Unemployment rates among the industrial countries as a whole actually declined from 8.8 per cent in 1983 to just over 8 per cent in 1986, and among our EC partners unemployment rates had stabilished at about 11½ per cent, virtually unchanged over the past three years, while we have been galloping towards 17½ per cent. So much for difficult international circumstances as an excuse.

By contrast, as I have pointed out, we have seen unemployment rise in Ireland to levels which are today standing at 50 per cent above EC average levels. It is obvious that unemployment would have been approaching some 300,000 today had it not been for emigration on a scale which is unprecedented in modern times. Let me take this opportunity to remind this House that when the Government came into office there was net inward migration of 2,000 people, that is, people actually returning home to get employment here in Ireland. Last year, 1985, conservative estimates suggest that some 25,000 people left this country. Those of us who have witnessed the queues at the United States Embassy of our best and our brightest cannot doubt but that this figure will be exceeded in this year, 1986. I personally estimate from my own resources that the figure will hit 40,000 in the year 1986, which is a figure hauntingly close to that recorded in the late fifties. I was told recently in a reply to a parliamentary question that the cost of financeing unemployment now stands at £670 million. That is £13 million a week, near to £2 million a day, just to pay unemployment benefit on the present scale. That is 27p in every pound of income tax paid by the taxpayer. Had unemployment remained even at the level at which it was in 1982 the Exchequer would be better off today to the tune of £150 million in saved social welfare per annum. These are just the direct costs of unemployment; the social, personal and political costs are incalculable.

The Commission on Taxation called our taxation system a muddle, inefficient and inequitable, and it is this system that lies at the very heart of our present economic problems. Let me just make three points here. First, the income tax burden has risen from 36 per cent in 1982 to over 40 per cent in 1986, that is, income tax as a percentage of total tax. Second, the number of taxpayers paying at above the standard rate has risen from some 25 per cent in 1982 to a staggering 42 per cent today, heading for up to half the Irish taxpayers paying above the standard rate in the years ahead on present policies if they are not changed, and changed drastically. Third, the number of tax paying units has declined progressively due to unemployment and emigration particularly. Agencies within and without the country have drawn attention to the disastrous and penal rates of taxation. Indeed, the Minister himself on a number of occasions has accepted this point. But why is it that the US can plan, undertake and carry through a comprehensive taxation reform programme while we here seem hypnotised by the complexities into engaging in trivial, marginal and very often meaningless so-called taxation reforms? A comprehensive tax reform is no longer optional in this economy; it is an imperative in resolving our economic dilemmas. By reform I mean a comprehensive, planned overhaul, undertaken and seen through within the lifetime of the next administration along the general lines of the Commission on Taxation reports.

In 1983 the Government committed themselves to eliminating the current budget deficit by 1987. This was a commitment freely undertaken at the outset of their period in Government, taken at a time when they had full access to all the books. This was no mere election promise, but a firm commitment from a Government Minister at the outset of his term in office. It would not be unfair to say that they have not come anywhere near meeting those targets, nor have they approached even a revised target of 5 per cent of GNP as a current budget deficit measure. Instead, the current budget deficit, which was 7 per cent of GNP in 1982, came to 8.2 per cent of GNP in 1985 — far in excess, in nominal and percentage terms, of anything previously recorded in the history of this State, despite the Minister's lecture about previous administrations. This was from a Government who have lectured this nation on living beyond its means and on reducing public expenditure — the highest ever percentages in living memory.

This failure is reflected in a rise in the national debt from £12 billion on the day on which the Government came to office to a figure which has to be said slowly to be absorbed, a figure of some £20 billion today. This was on the back of policies which suggested a tightening of our public finances and closing the current deficit and getting our public finances in order. It would be one thing to have those figures staring us in the face today if the Government had not made those commitments. It is another entirely for those figures to be facing us, the Government having gone on record in the budget speech of 1983 with a commitment to the direct opposite. It is not easy to take lectures with regard to public finances with those figures before us. In reply to my parliamentary question to the Minister last week, he admitted that the ratio of debt of GNP in Ireland is now twice the EC average. The servicing of this debt will cost the taxpayer £770 million this year. That is 30p in every £ taken in income tax.

In the Government's amendment tonight they ask us to approve measures which they have taken, they say, to promote investment. Let me look at the promotion of investment as given in the Government statement tonight. The investment ratio, which has been an accepted measurement of investment by all Governments for many years, has fallen in this country every single year since 1982. It has fallen from 26 per cent in that year to slightly above 20 per cent as estimated in 1986. That is the formation of capital as a percentage of GNP, with which the Minister will be familiar. So much for measures taken to promote investment. The same picture is clear from another leading indicator of investment in our economy which is cement sales. These have fallen every single year since 1982. Such investment as has taken place has tended to be in capital intensive, grant aided industries which any objective analysis would show have limited employment potential.

It is clear from the review I have put before the House of the various headings under which the Government sought to be judged that, first, one must conclude dispassionately, even if one had no political interest, on the facts and figures which I have put before the House arising from the Government's own statements in the budget speech of 1983, that every single target, not only in the joint programme but more importantly in the 1983 budget speech which set the Government's sail for their term in office, has been missed and missed quite widely. It is fair to conclude that the Government plan, Building on Reality, is no longer a proper or credible framework for solving the economic problems of this nation. It is also clear, not by my measure or that of the man in the street who feels the pinch these days, but by the measures of the Government's own targets set by them freely in Cabinet in 1983, that those policies have not been adhered to and the targets have not been in any way met.

On many occasions in the past I have put forward a number of alternatives that we should be looking at. We must look to a growth led economy, massive investment in the boosting of our export potential, a serious attack in regard to tax reform, the investment in policies which are pro-employment and a concurrent approach of holding the current budget deficit while at the same time trying to boost employment, so that the loss to the Exchequer is minimised. I freely admit that we must also look at new ways to curb current spending. Perhaps some of the recent experiences in the United States with regard to their constitutional approach to this topic might be something that should be examined at some stage. It is clear that the present situation just cannot go on.

On another occasion I should be glad to expand on my alternative scenario, of which I have given just a hint tonight. I have attempted in this evening's debate to take the Government's own targets, freely set in Cabinet, in the budget speech of 1983 and indicate precisely what has happened on each of those targets. That conclusion is that they have not been met, the plan has failed and should be withdrawn. I say that dispassionately and in as non-political a manner as I can. However, be it politically or any other way, if a shareholder had a management team that missed all their targets in a three or four year period and missed them very widely, the shareholder would dismiss that management team. I suggest that a new management team for Ireland Limited is now essential if we are to make any attempt to tackle the economic difficulties which face this country today.

One must agree that the amendment to the motion before the House is a commonsense and practical one. I listened with interest to what Deputy Seamus Brennan had to say. He spoke of the Government lecturing the Fianna Fáil Opposition and the House tonight. Having read the Minister's speech, I believe that he has outlined in a very positive and comprehensive manner the efforts made by the Government to tackle what was, as the Minister said, a crisis that faced the country in the early eighties.

Debate adjourned.
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