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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 7 May 1987

Vol. 372 No. 6

Adjournment Debate. - National Adult Literacy Scheme.

I want to thank you and your office for giving me the opportunity to raise this matter in the House, as I believe it is of vital and pressing importance that it be debated and that the Minister consider reversing the decision that has been made in this regard.

What we are discussing is the reduction, indeed the scrapping of the fledgling scheme for adult literacy. In the midst of a plethora of unbelievably harsh and unjust custs, particularly in the health and education budgets, it is hard to single out one more short-sighted and unfair than the cut in the funding to the adult literacy scheme. As a former teacher, the Minister must know the extent of the disadvantage suffered by adults with literacy problems. She must also accept the valuable service being provided in restoring to people the opportunities missed in childhood through no fault of their own. She must also know that a large proportion of the service is provided on a voluntary basis, making this cut even more unkind. The Minister cannot be blinded by figures to such a degree that she cannot see that £100,000 is a miserable financial saving relative to the damage that will be caused to this most vulnerable and disadvantaged group in our society.

The scheme we are talking about is a structured pilot type programme, a three year programme with a very modest £1 million budget for that period. It 1985 £150,000 was provided. The amount in 1986 was £350,000 and this year, £500,000, the last instalment of the £1 million. For the Minister to say, as she has said publicly, that there was an increase in this year's allocation is not true. This was not a single year programme. It was a three year programme and the agreed amount for this year was £500,000. I want to stress to the House that this amount is intended to cater for 400,000 people in our society in need of literacy services. I do not invent that figure, I take it from a discussion document published in June of 1986 by the Department of Education on adult literacy. If we divide the 400,000 by what should be provided this year, we would have just over £1 per person needing this service. In fact, the Minister has reduced it to £1. That is most regrettable. I regard it as a breach of the agreement made with people in need of this service and with those who organised it.

This area is very often referred to as second chance education. I do not regard it in that light. For these people it is not second chance, it is first chance because the system of education that we had was not suitable and did not do for them what it was intended to do and, consequently, they left school unable to read or write. We have such a large number of people in our society in that category that those numbers are in themselves an indictment of our educational system. The people we are talking about are the most vulnerable in our society, the most disadvantaged. It was a soft option to pennypinch and take £100,000 directly away from the scheme. We had very firm promises in the recent election campaign from Fianna Fáil that in the context of certain saving measures that were necessary the weak would not suffer. Nobody will suffer from this measure except the weakest and the most disadvantaged in our society.

The present pilot scheme has reached about 1 per cent of the total number of people who are in need of this service to enable them to read and write. The cuts now taking place will have the effect of stopping that increase, stopping the uptake by the people who need the service. They will now have to be turned away, to be told by the VECs and tutors in the local areas that they cannot be taken on, that the money has not been provided. It will take a great deal of courage for people who are illiterate in the first place to take that step and go to a class, to admit that they are unable to read and write and that they want a chance to do so. If they are turned away, I firmly believe they will not come back. It is quite a delicate matter for them to take their courage in their hands and seek help. We are now saying that there is no help. The help has been cut off by the Minister for Education who has removed the funding and these people will be left to flounder helplessly, without assistance.

I should like to pay tribute to the teachers and organisers of this scheme. I am aware, from my own area in Kildare, that they are paid on a very reduced basis for the hours they put in. Where they put in 10 hours, they are paid for two. They agreed to this. They should be congratulated for providing what is largely a voluntary sevice. In the context of the national budget, we needed only pennies to keep that service going. The goodness of those involved in the scheme is being rejected. They are being told that the pennies for the materials, the chalk, the circulars and the other very modest items that are required will no longer be available. This attack on the scheme itself will have the effect of its being scrapped. It will reduce it to a level where it cannot operate.

There was a second attack directly on the National Adult Literacy Association. They were set up in 1980, I understand, and their purpose was to support, to advise, to train, to co-ordinate and form a network through the VECs for adult education and adult literacy. Their budget has been reduced this year from £41,500 — a very modest budget for a national organisation expected to look after 400,000 people — to £28,000. It is quite impossible for them to do what they were set up to do. Their workers, one full time and two part time, may now get their wages, but no materials will be available for them to do their work. This is a great shame and I hope that the Minister who is, I believe, a compassionate person, will reconsider and at least allow the national co-ordinating body to remain at the strength at which they were before.

There is a third prong in the attack which will affect directly the disadvantaged group of people the scheme was intended to help. This is the especially high reduction, when we look at the reductions in education generally, in the allocation for the VECs. The effect of this will be that the personal development programmes and other adult education programmes that have been available through VECs will no longer be possible. If we look at these three together, we can see very clearly that the Minister has taken a decision that this is an area where there will not be protests, marches or letters — these people cannot write. This is a soft option and one she could get away with quite easily. I regret that very sincerely and hope that the decision can be reversed.

Education is a basic right for all our citizens. People who are put through an educational system which fails them — through no fault of their own but because of high numbers and inadequate teaching methods for their needs — have a basic right to go back to school so that they can learn the basics of reading, writing and communication. I am not talking about a fringe activity; there are four hundred thousand people involved. I call on the Minister to restore that funding. I support the campaign of the National Adult Literacy Agency on the issue.

I want to thank Deputy Stagg for putting down this matter. When it was raised this morning I was anxious that it would be taken on the Adjournment so that I could clear up some misconceptions, express my feelings on the matter and set out the position as it is. I want to quote from an answer which was given to an earlier question and to which I think Deputy Stagg referred. I want to clear up a misconception which he has promulgated in the House today and which I most emphatically want to put on the record as being incorrect.

A sum of £350,000 was allocated to vocational education committees in 1986 for the provision of community and literacy education free of charge or at nominal cost. The sum provided to committees for this purpose in 1987 is £400,000.

For a literacy programme.

Excuse me, please. You spoke beautifully, coherently and cogently and I want to answer in the same fashion. The sum provided to committees for this purpose in 1987 is £400,000, this is an increase of £50,000 over last year's provision.

There was a reduction of £100,000——

Like me, Deputy Stagg, has been a member of a county council for a long time and usually the person who is in possession——

Ordinarily permission may be given when the Minister has concluded for the Deputy to ask one question. Having said that, I know it will help Deputy Stagg to compose himself until the Minister has finished.

It is not that I require special treatment but when someone is talking I give them the courtesy of talking unhindered and I would expect the same.

The sum provided for this purpose in 1987 is £400,000, this is an increase of £50,000 over last year's provision. I want to make this quite clear because Deputy Stagg in his presentation, perhaps inadvertently, said that all funding had been cut. The funding given last year by the previous Government — of which Deputy Stagg's party were a very important part——

Against my will.

——was £350,000. The funding given by this Government is £400,000, that is an increase of £50,000 over last year's allocation. It can be dressed up or down or in or out but that is the funding given to VECs for the provision of community and literacy education free of charge or at nominal cost.

I pay tribute to the work of VECs, to the work of the adult education advisers and the voluntary tutors in each county who take it upon themselves in many instances to help people through what Deputy Stagg rightfully called a traumatic time in their life. I am talking about housewives, workers and young adults who find for one reason or another they have not been able to cope with the school system or that the school system has not been able to cope with them. These people have left school with varying degrees of lack of facility in literacy. For a long time when I was teaching I took on, in voluntary capacity and in a private way, the teaching of people with literacy problems. I know what the work involved is like. It is much a matter of trust between the teacher and the person one is dealing with. It is important to establish a rapport with the person involved and to establish a feeling of trust because he or she may lack confidence and may feel inhibited and ill at ease. It is very rewarding work for the person who is helping. I was glad that no matter what else was cut in the budget at least there is an increase in the funding to vocational education committees to use as they see fit. They are the people who know what is happening on the ground. They know how to disburse the funds properly so as to deal with people who need help in their catchment areas.

I want to repeat again that a sum of £350,000 was allocated to VECs in 1986 for the provision of community and literacy education free of charge or at nominal cost. The sum provided to commitees for this purpose in 1987 is £400,000. This is an increase of £50,000. Of course, we all wish there was a bigger increase in this sum but I am happy that I have been able to preside over a rise rather than a cut in this funding. One could never have enough money for education and if I have learned anything in six weeks I have learned that. Naturally every Minister thinks that his or her Department is the most important one. I, for one, think that Education is the most important Department. One could never have enough money for all the desirable objectives and aims one would like to have in that Department but we live in a measured financial environment at present. That is the reality with which we are faced. Placed in that context what I and my Department have been able to do is quite remarkable in the light of the cutbacks and structures.

The second matter Deputy Stagg referred to was the National Adult Literacy Agency. I pay tribute to the work that agency are doing. There has been a cut in their funding. What this agency are doing as a contact organisation for groups and bodies who wish to partake of whatever is the general run of fundings and moneys for adult illiteracy is very important. NALA are a voluntary organisation founded on the initiative of Aontas to promote the interests of learners and organisers engaged in adult education. It was projected that such a body should be set up. Aontas are the overall body who deal with adult education.

Taking into account everything that has been done, it is entirely unfounded to say, as Deputy Stagg said, that I sat down and deliberately said I can cut the funding to community and literacy education because those people cannot write letters. It is not a true statement and, therefore, I wish to refute it openly and passionately in the House. I will give the Deputy the benefit of the doubt. I do not think he meant to say there had been a complete cut in funding, although that is the impression I got and it is on the record of the House. The facts were outlined by me earlier in the form of a reply to a Dáil Question. That reply was scrutinised by officials and those dealing with finance in my Department. It was also open to public scrutiny. The increase in funding has been duly noted.

I was disappointed to hear the Deputy making a misleading statement in regard to this funding. The funding of NALA, the body responsible for promoting an awareness of the problem of a lack of competence in literacy among adults, has been dealt with before. I regret the cut in funding to that body but I must point out that it is very small compared to an increase given to the VECs. It was represented to me that the latter needed the money to deal with the problems they encounter daily. The teachers have a daily input to make in regard to this matter. Through contact with their students they can focus on parents who have a literacy problem and can refer the parent in a private way to a professional who can give help. Enormous work has been done by the VECs in this area.

I hope that during my term of office we will be able to tackle that problem. That is why I insisted that the grant to the VECs should be at least at last year's level. Happily it will be £50,000 above last year's figure. No Minister for Education would be happy unless everything was perfect in the area of education. However, one continues to do one's best and to strive for greater things. I am hopeful that, with the co-operation of the agencies involved in this type of work, we will bring about a better literacy service for those who need it in the years to come. I accept that Deputy Stagg has an interest in this matter and I hope we can continue to be combative but constructive.

Will the Minister agree that the funding of the adult literacy programme was to be over three years with a budget of £1 million: £150,000 in 1985, £350,000 in 1986 and £500,000 this year? Will the Minister agree that she has taken £100,000 off that figure this year?

The three year programme was produced by the last Government and I do not see why I must be tied by everything produced by the last Government. I was questioned extensively yesterday about various schemes and asked why I had not implemented them. It is worth recalling that I insisted that there should be an increase in funding and there was an increase of £50,000 over the figure allocated last year. I will be insisting on that funding continuing while I am Minister to help this very worthy area.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.25 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 12 May 1987.

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