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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Friday, 29 Jun 1990

Vol. 400 No. 7

Business of Dáil (Standing Order 30)

On a point of order, I wrote to you last evening to give you notice of my intention to raise a matter under the provisions of Standing Order 30 and I understand that that would normally be taken before the Order of Business. My letter stated:

I hereby give you notice, in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 30, of my intention to request leave to move the Adjournment of the Dáil for the purpose of discussing a specific and important matter of public interest requiring urgent consideration at the commencement of public business on Friday, 29 June. The matter in question is the threat to the independence of our national broadcasting service.

That threat has become even greater with the circulation of the proposed Order of Business today which proposes, among other things, to guillotine the debate on the Broadcasting Bill and to provide, during the course of next week, for an unprecedented series of guillotines on debates on other issues.

I requested permission to move that motion so that I can put to this House a much more sensible and orderly way of dealing with our business, which is that the debate on Committee Stage of the Broadcasting Bill should continue until Friday evening next week and that during the course of the week we should allocate time to sections — or groups of sections — so that the many important issues arising in the Bill can be properly dealt with.

I should like to comment on your request.

Report and Final Stages of the Bill should be held over until the autumn and, if necessary, this House should resume in September so that the Final Stages of the Bill can be debated and dealt with in the light of proper information for all Members of the House.

In respect of the Deputy's request involving Standing Orders, I had to convey to him quite recently that such a motion may not be invoked on a Friday. I gave my reasons and, indeed, I convened a special meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges to elaborate on my reasons on that occasion.

A Deputy

Offside again, Alan.

The meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges was not conclusive. There is nothing in Standing Order 30 — or anywhere else in Standing Orders — which prevents a motion of this kind being taken on a Friday.

My ruling stands.

The order itself provides that in the event that leave is given to take the motion, it can be taken at such hour on the day on which the request is made as the Dáil may appoint. In following that ruling, notwithstanding the inconclusive meeting of the committee, you are artificially restricting debate in this House and the rights of Members to make their views known.

I repudiate that suggestion and it is unworthy of the Deputy. I went out of my way to explain to him, to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges and to this House my ruling in respect of this matter. On Friday, 8 June——

You simply ruled——

You will not shout the Chair down, Deputy Dukes. The Deputy should know the Chair well enough to realise that he will not be bullied or intimidated.

The Chair should protect the rights of Members in this House.

Deputy Shatter should not intervene. On Friday, 8 June 1990, two requests under Standing Order 30 were disallowed by me. An emergency meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges was called for that day. At the meeting I referred the committee to the part of Standing Order 30 which provides as follows:

The Ceann Comhairle shall, thereupon, if he considers the motion is one contemplated by this Standing Order, desire the members who support the request to rise in their places, and if not less than twelve members rise accordingly, he shall give leave to make the motion, which shall be moved at 9p.m. on a Tuesday or Wednesday, or 3.30 p.m. on a Thursday, or at such hour on the day on which the request is made, as the Dáil may appoint.

This request was made——

I will not be interrupted by the Deputy. In interpreting the day on which the request is made in the context of the foregoing phrase as referring to Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, I stated that the Standing Order mentioned these three days specifically and excluded Friday or any other day.

It is ridiculous.

I also interpreted the phrase "or at such hour on the day on which the request is made" as providing for an alternative hour on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. I concluded by advising the Committee on Procedure and Privileges that if they desired the Standing Order to apply to a Friday — or any other day — an appropriate amendment would have to be made to the Standing Order. That is the position.

A Cheann Comhairle, could you indicate to the House the Standing Order which allows the Government to table a guillotine motion on a Friday that will apply to guillotining business next week? Would you not accept, Sir, that it is anomalous to allow such a motion to be tabled by the Government side on a Friday whilst denying the Opposition parties——

Deputy Shatter, the assent of the Chair is not necessary for moving an allocation of time motion.

(Interruptions.)

It is an entirely anomalous interpretation of Standing Orders.

The Taoiseach, on the Order of Business.

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