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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 29 Aug 1990

Vol. 401 No. 9

Middle East Situation: Statements.

The invasion and annexation of Kuwait have shocked the world community. They represent the most flagrant violation of the UN Charter since the end of the Second World War. Iraq's action amounts to snuffing out a small state; it aims at no less than the disappearance of a member state of the United Nations.

With the ending of the Cold War, which had bedevilled international relations for over 40 years, we had all hoped for the possibility of a more reasonable world order. Such an order is not possible if actions such as those of Iraq in invading and annexing Kuwait are not rejected utterly. The invasion and subsequent annexation of Kuwait by Iraq have served to remind us of the paramount need for respect for international law and the central place it must have in any acceptable world order.

When, on 2 August, Iraq invaded Kuwait on the pretext that a popular uprising had taken place and that the provisional Government had requested Iraq's assistance in the maintenance of law and order, Iraq set itself on a collision course with the rest of the world. It is estimated that over 100,000 Iraqi troops were involved in the invasion. They met little substantial resistance. The Emir of Kuwait and a number of the Kuwaiti Cabinet fled to Saudi Arabia. On 8 August Iraq purported to annex Kuwait. It is noteworthy that no evidence of a popular uprising has been presented and that, up to the time that complete annexation was announced, no Kuwaiti of any kind could be found to lend himself to Iraq's charade of setting up an "independent" Government.

Both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, which feared further aggression, requested assistance in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter, which upholds the inherent right of states to individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a member of the United Nations. Some countries have provided this assistance, notably the US and UK, together with Egypt, Syria, Morocco, Bangladesh, Pakistan and, most recently, France. Some of these have also agreed to send vessels to the region, as have a number of other countries, including Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, West Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and the USSR. The tasks of all of these are not absolutely clear: some vessels are in the region for general surveillance purposes, while others intend to help enforce the UN embargo. Some other countries, including members of the WEU which have not yet acted, and Japan, are considering taking action.

In accordance with the provisions of the Charter, member states of the United Nations are providing support for the deployment of these forces. In our case, the refuelling facilities given at Shannon are within the bounds of established policy in the event of an international crisis. Such facilities are in keeping with our commitment to uphold the UN Charter and to ensure that it is respected in all its aspects. The UN Security Council, in their Resolution 661 response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, specifically cite Article 51 of the Charter, which provides for the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence of all member states. The troops transported through Shannon were provided in response to a requested for assistance from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Our action in this matter is consistant with our support for action under the Charter. I might add that another neutral state, Austria, has provided over flight facilities for these flights.

The UN Security Council have taken action which is both decisive and unprecendented in the history of the organisation. It is important that this UN approach should be effective. This calls for full support for the decisions of the Security Council which, of course, are mandatory on all states. Under Article 42 of the UN Charter, there is provision, if necessary, for further action amounting to a blockade. Ireland would support such further action if decided by the Security Council. International solidarity is absolutely essential to deal with this threat to the international order. Short of military force, only an effective international embargo offers a prospect of a solution. It is very important that the determination to avoid the use of force and to seek a peaceful solution to be maintained.

Iraq will have to withdraw from Kuwait and the legitimate Government of Kuwait will have to be restored. These are the basic requirements of the UN Security Council resolutions. Security Council Resolution 660 of 2 August calls for the complete and unconditional withdrawal of Iraq's forces from Kuwait, the immediate start of negotiations between Iraq and Kuwait, and support for Arab League efforts in this direction. Resolution 661 of 6 August, imposing sanctions on Iraq, is an unprecedented example of the potential of the UN to act. It was subscribed to by all the permanent members of the Security Council — USA, UK, USSR, France and China. The sanctions which have been imposed cover trade in all commodities and products with Iraq, excluding those supplies intended strictly for medical purposes and, in humanitarian circumstances, foodstuffs. Resolution 662 of 9 August, adopted in response to Iraq's declaration of a "Comprehensive and eternal" merger of the two countries, declares that the annexation of Kuwait by Iraq is null and void. Resolution 664 of 18 August demands that Iraq permit and facilitate the depature from Iraq and Kuwait of all third country nationals and, in the interval, do nothing to jeopardise the safety of such nationals. Resolution 665 of 25 August calls upon those member states with maritime forces in the Gulf region to "use such measures commensurate to the specific circumstances as may be necessary" to enforce the embargo on trade with Iraq. This resolution provides the UN cover which the multi-national force was seeking for its enforcement of the trade embargo.

Ireland, as a member state of the European Community, has sought from the outset to co-ordinate our policy in relation to events in the Gulf as closely as possible with our Twelve partners. In European political co-operation this happens automatically. Given the position of our citizens and those of our EC partners in Iraq and Kuwait, the need for the closest possible co-operation in this field has become even greater. Since the invasion, I have attended two extraordinary ministerial meetings with our Community partners and participated in a ministerial troika visit to the region, in which we had valuable discussions in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

In a statement on 2 August, the Twelve strongly condemned Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, supported UN Security Council Resolution 660 and called for immediate withdrawal of Iraq's forces.

On 4 August, the Twelve reiterated their condemnation and went on to agree, inter alia, an oil embargo on Iraq and Kuwait; the freezing of Iraqi and Kuwait assets; and the suspension of milittary sales to Iraq. The Twelve also indicated firm support for any UN Security Council resolution introducing sanctions against Iraq should it not withdraw from Kuwait. These decisions were implemented by Community action on 7 and 8 August and by national actions by the Twelve.

On 10 August, the Twelve recalled again their condemnation of Iraq's invasion and rejected its annexation of Kuwait.

At a meeting in Paris on 21 August, Ministers recalled their condemnation of Iraq's aggression against Kuwait. Further, they forcused on the position of nationals of the Twelve in Iraq and Kuwait; called for their immediate release, and warned Iraq that any injury to such nationals would provoke a very strong response from the Community.

Ireland has participated in making and implementing these decisions and our position is fully reflected in the stance adopted by the Twelve. We support the Community's willingness to assist those countries which are confronted by special economic problems arising from the carrying out of the UN measures. Already, we have joined with the Commission and our partners in providing assistance for evacuating from Jordan a large number of Egyptian refugees who were stranded there after fleeing from Iraq.

The invasion of Kuwait has caused a crisis in the Arab world. The Arab League adopted a resolution condemning the invasion and annexation on 10 August. Strenuous efforts are being made to resolve the crisis within an Arab context. The Twelve have declared themselves ready to support Arab efforts to restore international legality in the framework of the Resolutions of the Security Council. One of the purposes of the Troika mission was to signal clearly that support.

A number of initiatives are under way to find a peaceful settlement, notably the meeting of the United Nations Secretary-General with Iraq's Foreign Minister Aziz in Amman tomorrow. Mr. Perez de Cuellar will be basing his approach on the need for strict implementation of all the Security Council Resolutions, but particularly of the resolutions calling for withdrawal of Iraq's forces from Kuwait and calling for the release of all foreign nationals.

King Hussein of Jordan and Chairman Arafat of the PLO are trying to promote an "Arab settlement". The Twelve are prepared, as I have said, to work with the Arab countries to achieve a settlement on the basis of international legality as set out in the UN Charter and in the Resolutions of the Security Council. Any settlement must, of course, take into account the fact that the issue, crucially important as it is for the future world order, is one of concern to the world community in general and not just to the Arab countries. Accordingly, any effort at finding a settlement has to have the prospect of finding a just and lasting one in the framework of the Resolutions of the Security Council.

The Government recognise the sense of frustration and helplessness which is felt by many people who have family in Kuwait and Iraq. We are doing everything in our power to deal with the difficulties caused to the Irish citizens by Iraq's actions. The safety and welfare of our 350 or so citizens in Kuwait and Iraq has been, and will remain, the Government's first priority. All the Irish citizens in both countries are safe. No Irish nationals have been detained or moved to other locations, as has unfortunately happened to some nationals of the United Kingdom the United States, France and the Federal Republic of Germany.

We insist that the rights of Irish and other citizens be respected. These rights include the right to leave Iraq and Kuwait for destinations of their choice. It is not, however, within our power to bring our citizens home without the acquiescence of the Iraqi authorities. We will continue to bring all pressure to bear to achieve this end. The Taoiseach and I have, directly and personally, involved ourselves in co-ordination of the national response to the plight of our citizens in the two countries. Efforts to secure their release have been conducted at several levels: Bilaterally — our Ambassador to Iraq has made numerous representations to the authorities in Baghdad, both nationally and as a member of the Twelve to seek the release of our citizens; the UN— the Secretary-General will meet Iraq's Foreign Minister tomorrow, when the issue of foreign nationals will be one of the main items on the agenda; the Community—there is very close co-ordination and mutual co-operation of all Twelve; and the International Committee of the Red Cross— I discussed the matter with the President of the Committee on 21 August.

We are very grateful for the very valuable assistance we are receiving from our Community partners in looking after the welfare of our citizens trapped in Kuwait. Despite the declared intentions by Iraq to close all embassies in Kuwait on 24 August, their embassises are staying in Kuwait as long as possible in order to look after the welfare of their — and our — citizens. They are determined to do this — as some personal cost — despite Iraq's harassment, such as interference with water, electricity and gas; prevention of exit from, or access to, the embassis and a purported withdrawal of their diplomatic immunity.

It is a regretable fact that the Iraqi authorities are playing on our concerns for the welfare of our citizens in order to erode the solid stance of the whole international community aimed at reversing the illegal annexation of Kuwait. The right of foreigners to leave the country they are in, for destinations of their choosing, is firmly anchored in international law. We call on the Iraqi authorities to fulfil their international obligations in this respect. These obligations apply to all foreigners in Iraq and Kuwait; we refuse to accept that one illegality, the invasion and annexation of Kuwait, should be compounded by another, affecting the rights and welfare of our citizens in Iraq and Kuwait.

I would like to recall in this connection the statement of 21 August in which the Twelve warned of the Iraqi Government that any attempt to harm or jeopardise the safety of any EC citizen will be considered as a most grave offence directed against the Community and all its members states and will provoke a united response from the entire Community. Further, the Twelve warned Iraqi citizens that they will be held personally responsible, in accordance with international law, for their involvement in illegal actions concerning the security and life of foreign citizens. The responsibilities of Iraq in regard to our citizens are grave.

Only international solidarity, as expressed in the UN Resolutions, can bring about a peaceful end to Iraq's violation of international law. Such a resolution would also safeguard the welfare of our citizens now trapped in Kuwait and Iraq. In Kuwait, we are totally dependent on the assistance of our Twelve partners to look after the welfare of our citizens. There is no evidence that, by seperating ourselves completely from the Twelve position, we would obtain more favourable treatment for our citizens. If all countries were to follow an individual path, the result would be international anarchy in which no act of illegality could be reversed and no concerted response to the violations of our citizens' rights could be sustained.

In order to cope with the extra demands being placed on them, I have increased the staffing of the two Irish embassies in the region. I have also asked officials in my Department to work extra hours, both in overtime and through the cancellation of summer leave. I can say that the staff of my Department, both at home and in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, are unstinting in their commitment to looking after the welfare of Irish citizens.

We in Government are fully aware of the distress and frustration which the present situation causes to relatives of Irish nationals trapped in Iraq or Kuwait. These relatives can be assured that the Government will not cease their efforts to secure the rights of their family members to leave these two countries.

In order to ensure that relatives are as fully informed as possible, the Government formalised the provision of information with the establishment of the "Special Information Service on the Middle East". This service collates all available information from our diplomatic missions, from our EC partners and from other sources. It has provided regularly updated information to relatives of those in the Gulf region for 17 hours daily, from 7 a.m. to midnight. At its peak, the service provided valuable information and a sympathetic hearing to almost 200 callers per day. Demand has declined substantially in recent days, most noticeably in the early morning and late evening. Therefore, the service will in future operate for 12 hours a day from 9.30 a.m. to 9.30 p.m. The infrastructure for the service will remain in place, so that, if there should be any increase in demand for any reason, an extended service can be resumed immediately.

In addition to telephone contact, we identified quickly the need to be available for meetings with groups of relatives. My Department have readily agreed to provide a venue for the weekly meeting of the Gulf Relatives' Support Group. My officials have met with the Relatives' Support Group on four occassions and provided comprehensive briefing. I am pleased to see that this type of information exchange has been welcomed. The most recent meeting of the Gulf Relatives' Support Group, held in the Department on 27 August, attracted an attendance of over 130 people. Representatives of PARC and the Department of Health were also present to answer relatives' questions.

In order to reach as many people as possible, the Special Information Service also circulates names of members of the Relatives' Support Group who are willing to talk to other relatives unable to attend the Group's meetings. A small committee of the group has now been established and my Department will continue to keep in close touch with the committee between the weekly meetings.

The Committee of the Relatives' Support Group have asked to see the Taoiseach and arrangements are being made for the meeting. I understand this meeting will take place at noon today. It will be another in a number of steps which the Government have taken to keep the public informed and to allay the fears of relatives.

As was discussed yesterday, the crisis has impacted severely on our exports. The sanctions imposed by the United Nations cover Trade in all commodities and products with Iraq, excluding supplies intended strictly for medical purposes and, in humanitarian circumstances, food stuffs.

Irish exports to Kuwait amounted to £11.2 million in 1989. Irish exports to Iraq amounted to £47.4 million in 1989 of which £42.4 million was beef. Adding export refunds, the trade was worth £90-£100 million annually. Ireland's dependency on this trade is relatively the highest in the Community. Between 40 per cent and 50 per cent of Iraq's beef imports come from Ireland and beef represents 10 per cent of total Irish exports world-wide. As I said in a television interview on 23 August, there is a need to develop alternative markets for beef and cattle and I have been concerned to remove any obstacles in the way of exporters.

I am pleased that, following a lot of pressure on my part, the Twelve have agreed that the ban on high level visits to Iran should be modified to permit visits by Ministers dealing with "technical" portfolios. In relation to the question of the ban on the import of Irish bone-in beef because of fears of BSE, the decision allows the Minister for Agriculture and Food to visit Iran. His visit will, I hope, clear the way for the full acceptance of our beef on the Iranina market. I also used the opportunity of my recent visit to Egypt as a member of the EC Troika to impress on the Egyptian Minister for Agriculture the quality and disease-free status of Irish beef.

To return to the main subject of the debate — Iraq's invasion of Kuwait — I would like to underline once again the great importance of the international community making clear the absolute unacceptability of this kind of behaviour. Without respect for international norms none of us is safe. To bring about a return to legality is, of course, not just a matter of speeches and statements, but also a question of the international community reasserting the rule of law and being determined that violations of international order, such as we have witnessed in recent weeks, will be redressed.

We now have an important opportunity to take a collective stance in order to demonstrate this unacceptability and thus set out the parameters for the kind of order which will make for a more secure and stable world, now that the Cold War can be assigned to history. A good beginning has been made. The reaction of the Security Council — the highest organ of the United Nations — has been unprecedented in its speed and in its scope. The capacity of the UN to act in such situations is the central element in a future world order which can provide the assurances we all need. Hence the need for international solidarity in support of the condemnation of Iraq's action.

The Twelve, too, have been able to act effectively in support of one another, particularly in seeing to the welfare of our citizens in Iraq and Kuwait, and in support of the action taken by the Security Council.

The Government are determined to continue to act in solidarity with our Community partners in total commitment to the measures adopted by the UN. It is our hope that this first test of the world system after the end of the Cold War can be resolved in a peaceful manner in accordance with the UN Charter.

As the House is aware, Iraq announced yesterday that all foreign women and children who wished to leave Iraq were free to do so. It was unclear whether the concession will apply to all women or only to those who are dependent. As has already been announced, we are treating this announcement with caution, as previous reports on similar lines have proved unfounded. Our ambassador in Baghdad is urgently seeking immediate clarification and when we have received same, we will be glad to make a statement on it.

It is said but an accurate and fair reflection of the Government's attitude to democratic debate on issues in this House that today's debate would not be taking place were it not for the fact that the Government needed emergency legislation in order to deal with a problem in the beef industry. Were it not for my personal insistence, yesterday's debate on the Companies (Amendment) Bill would have finished between 4 o'clock and 6 o'clock and today's debate would have been compressed into a very few hours last night. Each of these debates deserves far more attention and seriousness than that and I am glad that I have been able to bring that about.

I believe that our debate today should have a clear focus and that it should identify actions which we can and should take and that it should identify the attritudes which we should adopt on the many issues that arise from the present crisis. What we need is critical debate and analysis of Government action, not a sanitised, safe piece of diplomatic flannel, which is what the Minister wanted us to adopt as a motion. I read out earlier this morning the text of the motion I believe we should pass. I have here the draft that was produced by the Minister yesterday which calls for nothing in particular, which calls for no specific decision, which gives no opinion on anything that is happening and which makes no statement at all about what we should do to contribute to world order to protect our citizens and to ressure relatives of citizens who are detained in Iraq.

Another Opposition party put forward a proposal for a motion which condemns the Iraqi invasion, calls for a peaceful, non-military resolution and calls on the Iraqi Government to allow full freedom of movement. They all look fine, but there is nothing in either of those proposed resolutions that gives any indication how we feel about the issues, not how the EC or the United Nations feel, but how we here in Ireland feel. That was the purpose of the motion which I believe we should discuss which goes into a number of the issues that are of immediate concern to us, both domestically and at the international level.

I regret very much that at 10.30 p.m. last night the Minister for Foreign Affairs threw a fit of pique and said that we were not going to have any further discussion, we would have no motion, we were just going to have statements. I regret that very much because I believe the Minister has done this House the means properly to examine what is happening in the world around us and in not allowing this House the liberty to say and to decide what our action should be in the crisis that faces us.

It is my belief that we should focus in particular on the illegal detention of Irish people and of people of many other nationalities in Iraq and Kuwait. I hope — and I share the Minister's reservations on this — that last night's announcement by the Iraqi Government that non-Iraqi women and children would be allowed the freedom to leave Iraq if they wish, signals the beginning of a change of mind on the part of the Iraqi Government and a move away from a line of action which flouts every principle of international law and practice and which has been rightly and universally condemned. We must make it clear that we maintain our demand that all non-Iraqi citizens — men, women and children — must be given the freedom to leave Iraq if they wish.

It is for that reason that I, in the motion I wish to put before the House, call on the Government to summon the Iraqi Ambassador to Dublin to inform him in the clearest possible terms of our abhorrence of that illegal action on the part of his Government in depriving people of their liberty. That is the reason this House should today explicitly support the United Nations Secretary General in his insistence on this aspect of the UN Security Councils resolutions in his meeting with the Iraqi Foreign Minister tomorrow. I will not be put off or deterred, nor do I believe this House should be deterred from making our position clear, by the utterly absurd claim on the part of the Minister that we do not call in the Iraqi ambassador when our ambassador is there in Baghdad.

We know perfectly well that, in the event of a major disagreement between us and any other member state of the EC or indeed any other country in the world, the first thing that is done is to call the ambassador in Dublin to the Office of the Minister for Foreign Affairs to have the Government's view conveyed to him, while at the same time our ambassador in that country is instructed to go to that country's Ministry for Foreign Affairs to give our view. After that Ministers may meet. I can see no reason whatever why we should not support the actions of our ambassador in Baghdad by calling the Iraqi ambassador into Iveagh House so that the Minister can tell him in clear terms what our view is on that illegal detention of our citizens and indeed citizens of other countries in Iraq.

In taking the steps I propose, Sir, we would be stating very clearly the opinion and belief of this House and the wish of the people, adhering rigidly to the terms of the resolutions agreed to at the United Nations, and making it clear that, on this issue, there is no such thing as what the Iraqi Foreign Minister calls a "balanced position". On this issue of fundamental freedom there is no balanced position; there is only right and wrong. We should encourage the governments of other concerned countries to take the same steps. In doing so and asking the UN states to insist on this point, we would be making it clear that this kind of interference with the liberty of citizens cannot be tolerated. We would also be contributing to what is, in my view, the best way of ensuring a speedy and complete change of heart on the part of the Iraqi authorities.

I have come to the conclusion that the best hope for the restoration of liberty to these unfortunate people is to ensure that the Iraqi authorities are faced with the full weight and unanimity of international opinion on this issue. I believe every concerned country must make its position crystal clear and that they must then make it clear that they are working together in a united way to achieve their objective. I hope that course of action will quickly bring about the result we want. Until it does, however, I believe there are other measures we should take.

I have met the representatives of relatives of people now forced to remain in Iraq and Kuwait and spoken to many individuals who have sons, daughters, brothers and sisters and other relatives detained illegally in those countries. I can fully understand their fears and emotions. They need every support, both moral and physical, that we can give them. What I have proposed so far will give them political support. I believe we should offer them further support. One of their great needs is information and contact. A great many of these people are not within easy reach of the Department of Foreign Affairs or of the PARC authorities. Many of them are already feeling the burden of travelling for news of their relatives or of making long distance telephone calls for news of what is happening or indeed calls to other people in the same position.

There is a very simple, practical step that can be taken to give these people further moral support. It is to set up an information and communications centre which relatives themselves will man on a volunteer basis. We should provide free phone facilities in order to put that centre effectively within the reach of everybody concerned no matter where they might live in this country. The cost would be little enough but the benefit, in terms of psychological and moral support, would be enormous. I was hoping, a Cheann Comhairle, that we would hear something from the Minister on that because he indicated quite clearly to my colleague, Deputy Owen, last night that he was prepared to think about doing just that. I hope the Minister is going to do it and that last night's statement was not just a ploy to get another piece of concrete action taken out of the motion that I proposed we put before the House. I hope, if the Minister was serious about what he said last night, that either the Minister in his reply to this debate or the Taoiseach later on today when he meets the group of relatives, will come back and say that they are going to do what I have proposed should be done. As I said, the cost would be very small but the value of a centre like that to people who are in considerable distress and worried about their relatives in Iraq and Kuwait would be enormous.

There is a further matter to which we should give some attention. To an outside observer it may appear to be trivial enough but yet the people who are forced to remain in Baghdad and to their relatives in this country it is one which has enormous importance, both practical and symbolic. It is quite simply the fact that PARC staff in Baghdad have to pay for telephone calls which they make to their relatives in this country. On the face of it that is not unreasonable. PARC officials reasonably point out that they have a finite supply of local currency in Baghdad and that they have to pay their telephone bills in local currency. I believe we should try to find a way around this issue which, may appear relatively unimportant but which is nevertheless yet another cause of worry and upset to everybody concerned. One way of getting around it might perhaps be to maintain an open telephone line between the communications centre I have spoken of and the PARC hospital in Baghdad. I believe that would be of considerable aid and comfort to everybody concerned.

In the course of his statement, the Minister pointed to the fact that he had a meeting with the chairman of the International Red Cross on 21 August. I was glad to hear that, but I would like the Minister, if he could find a way of doing it, to tell us what happened at that meeting. Did the Minister ask the Red Cross if there was anything the Red Cross, or the Red Cross in conjunction with the Red Crescent, could do in Kuwait, in particular, and in Iraq, to help or advise non-nationals now trapped there? Would the Red Cross or the Red Crescent be in a position to help us in finding out where people are, what conditions they are living in, what access they have to the facilities they need, and in supporting people in that situation? I am happy to learn the Minister met with the International Red Cross but I think it would be far more useful to us to know what happened during the course of that meeting, what was said, and if anything was proposed or decided that would be of benefit to the people now trapped in Baghdad and Kuwait.

There is another question which has come up again and again over the last couple of weeks in relation to the operation of the embargoes. Resolution 661 of the United Nations Security Council sets out the conditions of the embargoes and it excludes from the scope of the embargo supplies intended strictly for medical purposes and, in humanitarian circumstances, foodstuffs. We all know there are fears of an impending shortage of food in Iraq that will affect everybody. The Iraqi regime has been particularly insensitive and callous in the way it has pointed out what the implications of that may be. A number of people here, relatives of people who are in Baghdad, have rightly asked in what circumstances foodstuffs would be exempted from the embargo on humanitarian grounds. Could the Minister tell us what that means? Could the Minister tell us if there is, in United Nations practice or thinking or in the background to these resolutions, any definition of when it would be considered that humanitarian circumstances arise that would in these terms permit the supply of food into Iraq? I think it would be useful for us to know that so that we could have a clearer view of what faces us if the present situation there is prolonged.

I hope, as we all do, that we will not see a new outbreak of war in the Gulf. Iran and Iraq fought each other in a bloody war for eight years. I think it is probably not for outsiders to adjudicate on which of those two countries can claim a victory, but we know who the real losers are: the real losers are the survivors of the hundreds of thousands who lost their lives in that war, both combatants and non-combatants. They are the survivors of those killed by chemical weapons, conventional weapons, aerial bombardment and land forces.

I am not so cynical as to believe those who claim that the international community would not be concerned if the small country that was invaded was not also in the major oil producing region of the world. The international community, after all, intervened in Namibia, the UN sent a supervisory team there, we were happy to send Irish men and women there, and yet Namibia produces no oil or other strategic commodities.

On the other hand, I have no misgivings at all about asserting the right and even the duty of oil importing countries to take action to ensure the application of principles of international law and justice to an area of the world on which they and, the rest of the world very heavily depend for their supplies. They would be stupid to do otherwise. Those countries which are now directly involved in the Gulf crisis would not be thanked by less powerful oil importing countries and by the people of those countries if they did not act as they have.

There are those who argue that the present problem is an Arab problem and that its resolution be left to the countries of the region. The facts of the present situation surely show the unreality of that view. Iraq has invaded Kuwait only a very short time after a long, bitter, bloody and costly war with Iran. The very fact of that invasion demonstrates clearly to me that the countries of that region do not have the resources to maintain and ensure, unaided, the respect of present borders. The rest of the world cannot ignore this. It is clear that most of the Arab world recognises this.

Having said clearly, that it is a matter which cannot be left without outside assistance to the countries of the region I am sure the Minister for Foreign Affairs and other Members of this House will agree with me when I say that we need to find valid ways of debating the issues with a view to bringing about peace. Those valid ways would not include the kind of absurd television debate that President Saddam Hussein has proposed — a television debate between Saddam Hussein, Margaret Thatcher and George Bush. That is not the way this will be resolved. We should make it clear in this House that we will support every effort that is made with UN supervision and with full mandate in operation, to get talks under way in a forum which can lead to a peaceful resolution of this tragic situation.

I have not the slightest hesitation in fully, clearly and unambiguously supporting the UN resolutions adopted on this issue so far or in supporting the continuing efforts of the UN Secretary General to promote a peaceful solution of the crisis, nor have I any difficulty in fully endorsing the position adopted by the European Community or encouraging the members states, through the process of European politician co-operation, in pursuing their efforts to achieve a just and lasting solution of those problems. I want to make it very clear, Sir, that it is my view that those two structures, the United Nations and European political co-operation, are structures in which we should be fully involved — in which I am glad to say, we are fully involved — and which we should use to the full extent of their capabilities to find a resolution of this problem. I believe, Sir, that in supporting both the UN and the EC positions we are supporting a reasoned, enlightened and just approach to the issues involved. Supporting the UN resolution means that we support everything the UN do under the terms of those resolutions.

I was taken aback on being asked last Saturday evening by a journalist about rumours he had heard that there were US personnel in military uniforms, indeed in battledress, to be seen in Shannon and that some of them had participated in informal music sessions with the ground staff there. He asked what they were doing there and if this was not a gross breach of our neutrality. I said no. We have all seen armed US personnel here at various times. The first time I saw US servicemen in uniform in this country was as a fairly small boy when I was brought by my father, with thousands of other children from Dublin, to Baldonnel to see United States aircraft bringing Irish soldiers to the Congo. I responded to the journalist who had telephoned me by saying it seemed to me that they were on their way to the Middle East in pursuance of UN action. He said: Yes, but they seem to be Army people. I said, the UN had agreed that there will be a military presence in the Middle East. Then he said that since they were helping with the embargo, was that not a breach of our neutrality? I said it was not a breach of our neutrality; that it was in pursuance of a decision taken by the United Nations Security Council.

Even today I note in the newspapers various groups claiming that our neutrality has been "flagrantly breached"— that is one phrase used and states that various people will raise the matter in the Dáil and are giving themselves dreadful indigestion about it. As a member state of the United Nations we are supporting the decisions taken by the United Nations and every action that gives effect to United Nations resolutions. That is clearly required because, as I have said — and most of the Arab world and all the rest of the world agree with this view — there is not on offer only an inter-Arab resolution to this problem.

As I have said I hope we are not going to see an outbreak of hostilities of war in the Gulf, we should make contingency plans here to provide for problems that might arise in the event that hostilities break out or that the extension in the region gets to the point where there is major interference, particularly with oil supplies. I would like to know whether the Government have made any further plans or taken any further action to ensure the accessibility of our oil reserves and to set out a clear set of priorities for energy use in the event that there is a difficulty with energy supplies.

What, for example, is the status of the Government announcement some time ago that the Whiddy terminal would be refurbished and used to store part of our supplies? Are we any further forward on that? If not, what steps are being taken to ensure that a greater proportion of our 90 day emergency oil supply is located in this country rather than in the south of Wales? Have the Government made any plans in that regard? Have they any clear idea of how they would go about defining priorities for energy use if it came to the point where we needed to have that kind of action?

I do not believe that the Government have, so far, been clear enough or explicit enough about the extent or the depth of our support for the UN or EC positions. The position is that up to today neither the Taoiseach nor the Minister for Foreign Affairs has said clearly and unequivocally that the Government condemn the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. I know the Government have gone along with the European Community position. I know the Government have supported the UN resolutions, resolutions, incidentally adopted by the Security Council of which Ireland is not a member. Up to today there has been no statement from the Government that they support these decisions or positions of their own free will and with a full heart.

What Deputy Dukes is saying is untrue.

I would be very happy if the Minister would stand up in this House and say that this Government here today roundly condemn the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and then go on to say that they support the UN position.

In my statement today I said four times——

On every occasion to date when the Taoiseach and the Minister have been asked they have pointed out that we support the UN resolutions and the EC position. I wonder why. It may be that the Government believe that there is some diplomatic advantage to be gained from that. That would be a mistake. It may be that the Government believe that it can serve the interest of Irish nationals forced to remain in Iraq by being simply a passive partner in the EC and UN positions. Those are mistaken views. Most of us here will have seen the television shot of our intrepid journalist colleague, Charlie Bird, asking the Iraqi Minister about the Irish position. The answer given, which sent a chill down my spine was that the Irish Government had taken a very balanced position. What does that mean? What, if anything, has it done for Irish nationals in Kuwait or Iraq since then?

It may be that the Government believe that they need not endanger or put in question the links built up by the Ireland-Iraq committee in which the Fianna Fáil Party have been so active for a number of years. If that is the Government view, it is clearly mistaken. That view has produced no benefit for Kuwait; it has produced no benefit in terms of world oil supplies; it has produced no benefit for Irish citizens in Iraq or in Kuwait. In short it is a view that has nothing whatever to recommend it.

One of the causes of the Minister's objection to my proposed motion last evening was the fact that it contained a recommendation that we should set up an Oireachtas foreign affairs committee. The Minister, with his usual charm and aplomb, reminded me in a conversation here in the House last night that of course the Dáil had voted some months ago against having a foreign affairs committee. The Minister adheres to the truth — I can say that — but he does not tell all of it. The fact of the matter is that if the Government came into this House with a proposal to set up a foreign affairs committee such a committee would be set up. The situation of which the Minister reminded me last night was one in which the Fianna Fáil Party and the Progressive Democrats voted against all other parties in this House and refused to have a foreign affairs committee.

We have seen this year, time after time, how unsatisfactory debates on foreign issues have been in this House. We had statements about German unity; we had statements about European union — to name only two of the four or five foreign policy issues that have been before this house this year. On every occasion we had a series of statements and on no occasion was it possible for this House to express a view as to the policy line that should be taken. That is why we need a foreign affairs committee, so that these debates can be properly prepared; and so that this House will have a permanent forum where issues like the issue with which we are dealing today and other issues of foreign policy can be properly debated and examined.

I do not know whose fear it is that prevents that committee being set up. Is the Minister worried that he might have to account for himself before such a committee? I do not know but I have to say, quite honestly, that I have never seen the current Minister for Foreign Affairs in a position in which he appeared to be unable to defend himself. He has been on very many occasions unconvincing but he has always been able to look after himself.

His history in the Fianna Fáil Party shows that very well and maybe indeed his future will also. It cannot be that the Minister feels that he would be left defenceless before a committee. Is it that his Department are telling him that we should not have a committee because — if you have a committee — people will not be content just to leave foreign policy to a series of careful, sanitised, inoffensive statements but that we will actually have to talk about what is behind them and what goes on. If that is the advice the Minister is getting, he as a politician should say: Yes, if that is the reason they want a committee, let us have the committee. The Minister will only gain, foreign policy will only gain, and the Department of Foreign Affairs will only gain from having proper debate in this House.

I do not know whether the Minister fears that there might be a move, as there was in the past to use the setting up of a foreign affairs committee and the definition of its terms of reference, to say something eternal and irrevocable about our policy of neutrality. He need not worry about that either, because the terms of reference of a committee are not the appropriate instrument to decide any foreign policy issue. I would strongly urge the Minister to think again. We need a foreign affairs committee so that, before we debate issues like the one before us here today, the House can be informed and Members of the House can contribute in a constructive and informed way to the formulation of our foreign policy.

I would have liked this House today to be in a position to speak with one voice, to approve a motion which would have real meaning in the context of the problems we face. I would have liked this House to be able to assure Irish citizens in Kuwait and Iraq, and their relatives here at home, that we are all of one mind about their difficulties and fears. I would have liked this House to be in a position to say to the Iraqi authorities and to the world community that there is a set of principles and requirements on which we all agree. But we would do not service to the cause of peace and stability in the region; we would add nothing to the security of energy supplies, above all, we would do nothing to ensure the safety of Irish citizens, by simply adopting an anodyne, meaningless, rhetorical and ritualistic motion devoid of any sense of determination and lacking in any specific direction. If the Government have any sense, surely they should realise that this House is capable of doing far more than that.

I would like to begin by agreeing with previous speakers who have expressed the desire, and wish that we might have had a common position in this House. It would have been helpful. As well as that, it would have required us all realising that the issues involved were so complex that we could not all find the satisfaction of having everything we would want in such a resolution.

I might illustrate what I have to say by the last example of the foreign affairs committee and set the record straight, because, unfortunately it needs to be put straight now. When we might have had a foreign affairs committee it was not defeated on the basis that some extraordinary or extreme demand was being made in its terms of reference. The first proposal for a foreign affairs committee was in November 1986. It was made by me in Seanad Éireann, and I consulted with the different parties. On that occasion the Fianna Fáil group in the Seanad first agreed to support the concept. Later they informed me that they had had discussions and that they could not now support the proposal that I had made, with extensive terms of reference, but that they would abstain. A discussion then took place which is on the record of that House and which has also been described in other journals. When my proposal came forward it was not replaced by alternative terms of reference.

The principal speech against my proposal was made by Senator Professor Dooge. In the Seanad Professor Dooge and the Fine Gael group voted down the first proposal for a foreign affairs committee in 1986, and that was the end of it in that House.

Later in this House I asked the Taoiseach of the day several times when he would consider such a foreign affairs committee, deliberately leaving aside the question of their terms of reference because I would have been willing to negotiate on that. I very much welcome the support and the change of heart in the Fine Gael Party resulting in them making a similar demand. Indeed, I would tell the leader of the Fine Gael Party, through you, Sir, that he is perfectly correct in saying that if the Government came in with a proposal for a foreign affairs committee the spokespersons and leaders of the parties could negotiate the terms of reference. However, I knew in preparing for what we would say today that if, for example, I was to repeat this demand it would be automatically rejected by the Government and, therefore, the concentration of our minds inevitably had to be on matters of common interest.

The message that should go out from this House should be a positive point about a number of important elements. Perhaps the most important that should go from this debate is that the present initiative — with meetings taking place today between the Secretary General of the United Nations, Perez de Cuellar, with the Foreign Minister of Iran — has the support of the Irish Government and all sides of the Irish Parliament. It would be singularly inappropriate, however, to tell Perez de Cuellar what he should be doing. I will explain exactly what I mean by that and I will clarify another matter in a moment in relation to Perez de Cuellar's record of making a contribution previously on the resolution of the Iran-Iraq conflict. It was on the basis of having a very wide agenda that he determined his strategy and he is today having a meeting, not as the representative of the Security Council nor on the basis of a decision taken by the UN, but in his personal capacity as Secretary-General of the United Nations. In that respect he has considerable freedom of action and if one respects the UN position one must respect the totality of what is possible within the UN.

However, I want to tease that point out in a moment because it enables me to answer another point. Resolutions have been passed by the United Nations and I agree with those who say we need to be absolutely clear as to where we stand in relation to them. I very rarely defend journalists because I got the same telephone calls as the leader of the Fine Gael Party about people in uniform joining in singsongs, neither a rare nor exotic experience. That story has been printed again today; it is one of the unfortunate liabilities of an arrogant approach towards foreign policy or politics to dismiss your opponents as merely having indigestion. The most recent resolution relevant to this debate, and Resolution No. 665 of 25 August 1990 had not been passed when the reports referred to were raised by the journalist in question and when opinions were sought from both individuals and groups. Let us be perfectly clear on that — Resolution No. 665 had not been passed. It is, therefore, simply not true to say that one was operating in terms of the UN Resolutions by initiating a few reloading servicing facilities. There was more to it than that.

A far more serious issue was at stake: at that moment Resolutions Nos. 660, 661, 662 and 663 were in place. These batches of resolutions comprised a set of economic sanctions, a debate was taking place at the time as to the integrity of that approach in relation to economic sanctions and it was known — and had been expressed in international diplomatic circles — that that economic approach was being challenged by the embargo. It was later that the possibility of providing naval support for the naval aspects of the embargo was retrospectively put right in Resolution No. 665. Students of the United Nations had written articles, for those who wanted to read them, saying that the United Nations were being treated with contempt by those nations who had gone ahead by bidding up the military side of things and thereby damaging the totality of the resolutions of the UN Security Council that had stressed the economic approach.

When the reports came out about nine planes carrying a number of people and so on, obviously people were concerned but you cannot argue that it was of no significance and that it simply reflected the UN position. Reports appeared in the newspapers on 26 August about what happened previously which enabled the economic package to be supported by naval initiatives in relation to the embargo. Even today Resolution No. 665 could hardly be construed as facilitating the transport of combat troops to Saudi Arabia.

I am not interested in delaying the House because I want to say a number of things about the technical details of this matter. It is very important that the truth and a respect for the complexity of things emerge and that there is a full and critical debate. I have only disposed of two matters but I want to make a more substantial point.

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Before you do, could I ask you to give way for a moment or two to the Government Chief Whip as there is a matter which must be put before the House?

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