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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 4 Dec 1990

Vol. 403 No. 4

Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - New Junior Certificate.

Jimmy Deenihan

Ceist:

10 Mr. Deenihan asked the Minister for Education if, in view of the fact that (1) mounting confusion is being experienced by teachers throughout the country with regard to assessment procedures for the new junior certificate, (2) sample papers have not yet issued, (3) almost half of the new programmes have been completed in schools and (4) a considerable amount of the confusion is as a result of the lateness of her decision on assessment, she is determined to go ahead with her proposals in 1992.

It is my intention that assessment procedures for the junior certificate in 1992 will include a written paper and, where appropriate, examinations in oral, aural and practical skills. I further intend that the oral and practical elements of the assessment should be carried out in the schools and that the percentage of marks allocated in respect of those elements be of the order of 25 per cent. There will, of course, be a system of monitoring these marks on a national basis to ensure a standardisation of results. It will be necessary also to provide in-service training for teachers on assessment techniques and procedures.

In the light of the importance and extent of assessment in oral, aural and practical skills, the written element of the examination should not be over-emphasised. The draft written sample papers submitted by the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment were examined in my Department in this context. I should say, too, that I found the draft papers to be very long and detailed and I felt that they would be intimidating in some instances for students at this level.

I asked the council to redraft the sample papers in view of the considerations outlined above. My understanding is that the course committees of the council are at present undertaking this task and that the revised draft sample papers will be available early in January. I am confident that the assessment procedures which I propose for the junior certificate will be put in place for 1992 given the co-operation and goodwill of those involved.

Since we started consideration of this assessment procedure I have met many bodies to hear their points of view. The first step was the issuing of the NCCA consultative document to many groups seeking their submissions which they furnished to me. On the basis of them I commenced a process of consultation. I have met with the various parents' groups, teachers' unions and management, a process which is continuing. A measure of agreement with many of the partners in the education process has been reached and further meetings have been arranged for the next two to three weeks.

I welcome the Minister's reply and the fact that she agrees with what our leader, Deputy John Bruton, said with regard to assessment. She has come around to his way of thinking. When will the in-service training courses take place? Last May the Minister promised the TUI and the ASTI that she would allocate three days to in-service training for 1990-91 on the content and methods of teaching new programmes. She also recently promised a one day in-service course on school-based assessment. When will these courses take place?

In answer to the Deputy's statement I do not take Deputy John Bruton's ideas; I make up my own mind. That is not said in any manner of chagrin but is just a statement of fact. I have my own strong ideas about education.

The Minister was obviously influenced by Deputy Bruton.

He has been out-manoeuvred. I heard he was very cross last week, but we will leave that aside. With regard to the Deputy's question about in-service courses, the commitment given to the teachers' unions was that two to three days per academic year would be allocated to in-service training. Because the sample papers will not be available until early January, the in-service course which should have been held this term — we made massive efforts to include it in this term — would not be of any use to the teachers because they need sample question papers for the in-service training. The training will be based on them. We have planned definitively, and have written to the teachers' unions on the matter, that two days will be allocated to in-service training next term, one in January-February and one in March.

A Cheann Comhairle——

If Question No. 11 in the Deputy's name is to be taken it must be taken now.

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