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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 13 Nov 1991

Vol. 412 No. 6

Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Illegal use of Veterinary Substances.

Joe Sherlock

Ceist:

5 Mr. Sherlock asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food if he will outline (1) the total quantity and estimated value of clenbuterol or other illegal growth promoters seized since the beginning of this year, (2) the number of cattle or carcasses in which traces of clenbuterol or other illegal growth promoters were detected, and (3) the number of prosecutions initiated arising from such finds; if he intends to increase the penalties for offences in this area; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Liam Aylward

Ceist:

31 Mr. Aylward asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food if he will outline the measures he proposes to take to stamp out the illegal use of veterinary substances.

Eric J. Byrne

Ceist:

68 Mr. Byrne asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food the steps that have been taken to trace the source of the beef liver exported from this country which was found by the British authorities to have been contaminated with angel dust; if he will identify the plant from which the meat was exported; if it is intended to withdraw its export licence; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Noel Davern

Ceist:

71 Mr. Davern asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food if his attention has been drawn to the substance of the article in the Farmers Journal (details supplied) regarding the illegal uses of veterinary substances including hormones; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

I propose to take Questions Nos. 5, 31, 68 and 71 together.

In the course of 16 seizures from suppliers and farmers a total of 32 kg. and 770 litres of products containing clenbuterol, 17,493 doses of hormone implants and 25.35 litres of injectable hormone cocktails were seized since 1 January 1991. As the products concerned have no legitimate values it is difficult to assign a value to the seizures but the farm gate value is believed to be between £250,000 and £500,000.

Clenbuterol was detected in samples taken from 350 live cattle on farms and 15 samples taken at slaughterhouses this year. Hormones were detected in 338 cattle during the same period. In regard to traces of clenbuterol found in Irish meat exported to UK, the position is that the meat plants in question have been notified by my Department. Five prosecutions have been initiated as a result of these activities and further prosecutions are in the pipeline.

A Bill is being prepared, as a matter of urgency to amend the Animal Remedies Act, 1956. The new provisions will provide greater powers for the Minister to control all aspects of the manufacture, availability and use of veterinary medicines. The major provision of the Bill is to provide for the introduction of indictable offences for which maximum penalties of a £50,000 fine and, or, ten years imprisonment will be available.

The new legislation will further strengthen the ongoing campaign against the illegal use of veterinary medicines. I am satisfied that the current campaign which is focused on the availability and use of these substances is bearing results and that the vast majority of those involved in the agricultural sector are fully committed to protecting the reputation and image of our food industry. I have arranged for the level of testing on carcases at meat plants to be intensified. However, I want to ensure that the most effective deterrent possible should be available to support the campaign to eliminate the use of these substances.

Regarding the article in the Farmers Journal I must state that the article is based on a very unrealistic and unacceptable line of argument. I have had my views on the matter conveyed to the publication in question.

In thanking the Minister for his reply may I commiserate with him on losing his important portfolio of Agriculture and Food?

I say goodbye to the Deputy but I will still be here.

The Minister is getting me instead.

Questions, please.

I welcome the Minister's reply in which he states that it is the intention to amend the Animal Remedies Act and to increase the penalties. Is the Minister aware, however, that the British Minister for Agriculture has stepped up surveillance of imported Irish beef to the detriment of our beef exports trade and that the British media are having a field day? May I put it to him that it has been represented to me on so many occasions — and I accept this to be a fact — that we have reached the stage where those who might be found guilty if caught using clenbuterol, have been notified in advance by officials of the Department and in some cases suspected cattle were sold?

I am anxious to facilitate the Deputy but I should have said earlier that the questions we are dealing with are priority questions to which a rigid time limit applies. Brevity is of the essence.

I appreciate that. May I ask the Minister therefore if his Department have any such evidence and if any complaints have been made to the Department that cattle which were under surveillance by officials of the Department were sold before the inspectors reached them?

I ask the Deputy, since he has made the allegation, from those benches to please give me the evidence which will enable me to ensure that that kind of disgraceful criminal practice ceases. I am challenging the Deputy to give me the evidence of that kind of collusion.

We are challenging the Minister to tell the House if any complaints have been received.

Stop bluffing.

I want to say that we will deal with those in the most severe way but I ask the Deputy right now — because he, too, is an elected representative of the Oireachtas who has a responsiblity — if he has information on that kind of criminal practice would he please pass it to me so that I can do something about it?

And we will jail them.

Give the House the answer to the question put by the Deputy.

Question No. 6.

Some people seem to indulge in the comfortable practice of spreading innuendos and allegations and will not discharge any other responsiblity.

(Interruptions.)

The second point I want to make is in relation to the United Kingdom. I am glad to say that I have received the most effective co-operation from my British counterpart and everything they do is in full consultation with us and vice versa. The third point I would like to make is that the British Minister and every European Community Minister recognises that our legislation, as it stands before we introduce extra penalties, is the most stringent in the European Community. To complete the job all we need is information from anyone, in particular from an elected representative of this House, about those treacherous people who are indulging in this criminal practice. If we get that kind of information I can assure the House that we will deal with them.

I said that as I had been advised so frequently that this has happened I wished to ask the Minister if he had been advised of such an occurrence.

We act on any advice that we receive. The Deputy must be aware of the flying squads we have put in place but if a Deputy of this House is now going to say that he has been advised so frequently, that it has been rumoured and reported——

The Minister still has not answered the question.

I have answered it.

The Minister has not answered it.

(Interruptions.)

It took the tribunal to get the Minister to take his finger out in the other area.

I want to ask each and every Member of the House, in particular The Workers' Party who seem to have a facility to gather information from a variety of channels——

Has the Minister received any complaints?

——to let me and my successor have the information so that we can deal with it together.

Let us hear your reply to the question. How many complaints have been received?

I have given the number of complaints.

Question No. 6.

The Minister still has not answered the question.

I notice that the Deputy has not answered mine. The Deputy prefers to make those spurious——

Name them.

Name them.

Lock them up.

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