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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 20 Nov 1991

Vol. 413 No. 2

Adjournment Debate. - Local Authority Bank Accounts.

The two main banks plan to introduce bank charges for local authorities. This could cost local councils more than £2 million per annum, lead to increased service charges and threaten the jobs of some local authority workers. Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish Banks have threatened to close all local authority accounts from next June if the local authorities do not agree to the introduction of bank charges. I would ask the Minister for the Environment to make it clear to the banks that such threats are not acceptable.

The practice of not imposing bank charges on the local authorities has been in place for almost 70 years. It was an incentive offered by the banks in the twenties in order to attract local authority accounts. While it is an attractive arrangement for the local authorities there has also been a positive side for the banks who have benefited from the good will generated by these accounts and from the fact that it attracted additional business from local authority customers and employees.

The consequences of a change in policy would be very serious for local authorities who are already strapped for cash. Councillors are at present struggling with the estimates for next year and are facing a virtually impossible task in making ends meet. If they now have to budget for bank charges it will inevitably mean that they will have to raise the money in some other way, such as by increasing service charges or by cutting jobs or services. I do not believe that any of these options should be acceptable to boost the already substantial profits of the banks.

It is not as if the banks are hard up. Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish Banks earlier this month reported combined profits of more than £125 million for the six months ending September this year. This gives an annual profit rate of more than £250 million. The rate of tax that the banks pay on these profits is considerably lower than the rates of tax paid by most PAYE workers.

There is also the question of the two main banks acting as a cartel in order to impose these charges. Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish Banks control about 80 per cent of the retail banking market. I do not have the figure for the banks share of the local authority banking market but I suspect that it is higher than 80 per cent and probably nearer 100 per cent. The Government have repeatedly talked about the need for genuine competition in the business and services sector. Earlier this year we passed a competition Bill which we were told would prohibit companies coming together to agree on the imposition of a common level of fees or charges; yet, this is exactly what is happening in this case. It is very unlikely that any of the other banks operating in this country would have the branch network necessary to service local authority accounts. This would certainly be true outside of Dublin. Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish Banks are clearly taking advantage of their total dominance of the market in order to improve their profit level.

The threat by these two banks to unilaterally close all local authority accounts from next June unless they agree to the imposition of charges is particularly regrettable. This would mean that local authority employees, for example, could not even get their cheques cashed in some cases. The Government need to take a strong stand on this matter; they should tell the banks that if they insist on taking £2 million extra out of the pockets of the taxpayers the Government will seek to recoup it by increasing the levy or tax on the banks.

I understand that a committee of city and county managers are discussing this matter with the Department of the Environment and the banks at present. I ask the Minister for the Environment to ensure that a very strong stand is taken so that the banks do not get away with it and that £2 million is not taken out of the pockets of the taxpayers and local authorities who are already very hard up for money as the estimates debates in various council chambers now demonstrate.

I acknowledge the concern of Deputy Gilmore in raising this mater. My Department were informed recently by Allied Irish Banks and the Bank of Ireland that they will be resigning their positions as treasurers to local authorities next May and that the accounts of the county and city councils will be closed. I regret this action by the two main banks and I assure the Deputy that I will be looking into the matter in the near future and taking a strong stand on it. I will be consulting local authorities about the implications of the threat and how local authorities should respond. As the Deputy is aware, local authorities are currently discussing their estimates expenditure for next year and they are always faced with difficult decisions in trying to cope with the demand.

Much progress has been made over the last two years by local authorities and the banks in agreeing to revise procedures for the operation of local authority bank accounts. The revised procedures are currently being implemented by both parties and this will reduce the cost to the banks of managing local authority accounts. The agreed report, prepared by a working party from all sides, went most of the way in meeting matters raised by the banks and it is very regrettable that they have not given more time for the implementation of the recommendations.

It is also important to note that local authorities have been exempt from bank charges since 1925 when banking relationships between the banks and local authorities were put on a uniform footing. There has always been a special relationship between the banks and the local authorities as clients. There is no doubt, especially in rural areas, that there is a special prestige for whatever bank handles the local authority account. Local authorities are regarded as good customers who can be relied upon to meet their commitments on time and without default. I do not think that there is a bank manager who would not wish to have a major local authority account. In recent months my Department, jointly with the county and city managers, discussed all aspects of banking matters with the Allied Irish Banks and the Bank of Ireland. It was quite clear that the banks wished to introduce charges for the whole range of local authority banking transactions. My Department and the local authorities felt that more time should be allowed to see the results of improved banking procedures. It was felt that it was better to concentrate on improving efficiency rather than having charges imposed. The banks could not accept this and they have now moved to demanding payment of bank charges, which had been in abeyance during the negotiations.

My understanding is that some local authorities were not asked to pay any charges because of the profile of their accounts at the time and others who were asked to pay have been resisting the request. While I have not had the opportunity, in the short period since I became Minister for the Environment, to look into the position as closely as I would like, I feel that the move by the two main banks to give notice at this stage of their intention to resign from handling local authority accounts is precipitate. I am a little surprised at the banks' apparent attitude to local authorities whose functions are to provide services on a nonprofit basis to local communities.

I will be looking into the matter closely in the very near future and I assure the House it is my intention to ensure that local authorities will continue to have banking facilities available to them on an appropriate and suitable basis.

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