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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 29 Jan 1992

Vol. 415 No. 1

Financial Resolutions, 1992. - Financial Resolution No. 21: Capital Gains Tax.

I move Financial Resolution No. 21:

(1) THAT, as respects the year 1992-93 and subsequent years of assessment—

(a) subsection (4) of section 13, and subsections (1) and (2) of section 16, of the Capital Gains Tax Act, 1975 (No. 20 of 1975), and

(b) paragraph 8 of Schedule 1 to the Capital Gains Tax (Amendment) Act, 1978 (No. 33 of 1978),

be amended by the substitution of "£1,000" for "£2,000" (inserted by the Finance Act, 1982 (No. 14 of 1982)) in each place where it occurs in those provisions.

(2) IT is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

At present an individual is entitled to an annual exemption of £2,000 in computing his or her capital gains tax liability. The exemption is doubled to £4,000 in the case of a married couple. This resolution provides that the annual exemption for the year 1992-1993 and subsequent years of assessment will be reduced to £1,000 for an individual and £2,000 for a married couple.

(Limerick East): First, may I inquire whether we have disposed of Financial Resolution No. 16 or are we taking another run at it now?

Financial Resolution No. 16 has been disposed of.

(Limerick East): On this group of Financial Resolutions I should like to deal first with Financial Resolution No. 17 on value-added tax. There is much rhetoric on budget day but in anything I say about this, I may, if anything, be understating the position. I understood there was a commitment over the past four years or so that changes in VAT rates operated within their own loop, to use the kind of computer terminology, and that any increases in a rate would be dedicated to a reduction of the standard rate. The expectation was widespread that the Minister would increase the 12.5 per cent rate across a tranche of items to 15 per cent or 16 per cent. Eventually he increased it to 16 per cent. Everybody, both in here and outside, from the professions and in business, expected that yield to be dedicated to a reduction of the 22 per cent to 21 per cent downwards, perhaps to 19 per cent. It is a total breach of trust and of the spirit of what the Minister's predecessor said in the House to increase the 12.5 per cent rate to 16 per cent and to transfer the yield out of the VAT loop and use it for other purposes in the budget. That is outrageous. The only circumstances that changed were that last year Mr. John Major's Government in the United Kingdom increased their standard rate of VAT to 17.5 per cent, rendering the task of the Irish Government in harmonising with our nearest neighbours easier. It appears to me that again we are being led by the nose by the British. There is the disposition in this country to proclaim our independence to high heaven in the loudest and most strident way but then to ape the British at every chance we get. It appears to me now that the Minister and his Department have reneged on the commitment to bring the standard rate of VAT down significantly, simply because the British raised their rate.

The studies on leakage of trade across international boundaries would suggest that plus or minus 2.5 per cent on a VAT rate would not lead to any leakage. On that basis if, next year, the Minister brings the top rate of VAT down to 20 per cent, and the British hold their rate as it is, there will be no leakage and he will achieve that prevention of leakage of trade but it is not harmonisation. In the interests of job creation I would suggest a significantly lower standard rate of VAT would have a major impact on commercial and business life. Yet there is here a major missed opportunity. This reverts to the discussion we had on the last group of Financial Resolutions. Again this is ideologically-driven; the Progressive Democrats would not give on their pigheaded attitude towards marginal rates of income tax and that had to be funded when it could not be funded from the abolition of reliefs within the income tax code. Therefore there is a transfer of resources arising from a more stringent imposition of indirect taxation dedicated to a reduction in the marginal rates of income tax. Certainly it is bad economics; perhaps it is also bad politics.

The other matter to which I object is that there was a commitment on all sides of this House that we would simplify the VAT code and, in line with our European partners, we would go for two rates; we would have a standard rate at a harmonised level, of something around 15 to 17 per cent and we would have a lower rate on socially or politically sensitive items coming in between 4 per cent and 9 per cent; that was Government policy. Look what has now happened. Instead of moving towards two rates we have moved in the opposite direction. We now have six rates. For example, there is a zero rate, a 2.7 per cent rate for the agricultural community; a 10 per cent rate; a 12.5 per cent rate; a 16 per cent rate and a 21 per cent rate. How does that comply with the commitments given by the Minister's two predecessors to simplify the code, to harmonise the levels in line with our European partners and end up with two rates, a lower and a standard rate? This defeats all reason. It is an extraordinary complication of the VAT code. Indeed it is a robbing of the resources of the VAT code which should be properly dedicated to reducing the 21 per cent rate to be used for other purposes.

It is an absolutely outrageous proposal on any grounds, on fiscal, economic and, I would suggest, on political grounds. If there was to be anything in this budget to generate activity which would lead to extra employment it would seem to me to be to reduce the standard rate of VAT by, say, two points. The budget is mildly expansionary. The Minister is spending a little more than twice the rate of inflation but the manner in which that spending is taking place will not generate any extra demand. This was an area within which there was a possibility within our economy to generate extra demand by reducing the standard rate of VAT. The Minister has missed that major opportunity which has been a great mistake.

With regard to credit cards, we were over this hill before when Commissioner MacSharry was Minister for Finance — I forget what was the then imposition, I think it was £10. It is now £2. Two pounds is not very much but it does run counter to the stated intention of both the Government and banking community to move towards a greater use of technology in the dispensing of cash in particular. The cash card is carried by many students. While £2 may not be much of an imposition on a cash card carried by a student I have an objection in principle to it because, in many circumstances, students are compulsorily required to carry an ATM card. The European Social Fund grants to regional colleges — which will henceforth be means-tested under another contrary decision on the part of the new Minister for Education, a silly decision which is another day's work — are paid through banks and recipients of those grants are required to have an ATM card. It is peculiar. I cannot see where is the gain. Two pounds does not appear to be an enormous yield. When the charge was introduced previously there was a feeling that the banks were not paying sufficient by way of the bank levy and it was another way of taking a skim from them but, of course, the banks would pass it on to the consumer anyway when issuing the cards.

On this occasion a major section of the budget is dedicated to commitments by the Minister to replace the bank levy with a more equitable regime of corporate tax which would apply to the banks. A large section of the budget speech deals with this matter and, in the meantime, the banks will pay an amount by way of bank levy which will not be less than what they are paying at present. I approve of that. Levies and so on are short term measures and it is better to get them into the general corporate code.

I note the banks are also being charged for security which is being provided by the Army and the Garda Síochána — the yield is expected to be £2 million — for the secure transport of cash around the country. That is fine by me also. I cannot understand why this other niggly item has been included, the suggested yield from which is £2 million. People may have five or six more cards and when that is multiplied by £2 it is not big money. I have doubts about the wisdom of the decision especially in so far as it relates to students and if it will inhibit the movement towards a cashless society in any way for all sorts of reasons of security as well as for ease of commercial transactions. The other items, so far as I am concerned, are Finance Bill items which I intend to return to when we debate the Finance Bill.

I move amendment No. 1:

In page 16, subsection (2) to delete paragraph (a).

I agree with many of the sentiments which Deputy Noonan brought to bear on Resolution No. 17 which deals with VAT. Amendment No. 1 seeks to delete paragraph (a) of subsection (2). It focuses on the area of the proposal to increase VAT on certain goods from 12.5 per cent to 16 per cent. The purpose of tabling the amendments is to highlight the fact that far from making progress towards the VAT approximation, which the Minister talked about in his speech, we are going in the opposite direction. I forgot about the special 2.7 per cent rate for farmers and so on but, as Deputy Noonan said, we now have a 10 per cent rate on construction, newspapers, hotel accommodation and so on; a 12.5 per cent rate on domestic energy products, meals, certain kinds of entertainment and so on; a new rate of 16 per cent and on luxury items a rate of 21 per cent.

That seems to be a fantastic reversal from the trend I understood we were engaged on, one which was chartered out by the previous Minister for Finance, and is required by our obligations under the tax approximation regulations, rules and guidelines laid down by the EC. It is part of the three card trick the Minister has been forced to engage in in order to meet the obsessional benchmarks laid down by the Progressive Democrats on the question of the tax rates applying in the personal income tax code. It will take the average man and woman in the street some time to do the full sum but the apparent tax relief on personal income tax must be set off against the additional costs in the areas we disposed of in the previous tranche of resolutions and now under this group of resolutions. The VAT imposition without any diminution in the top marginal rate is a serious factor to be taken into account in that equation.

I am aware of the limitation of time and I will be as brief as possible. I join with Deputy Noonan and The Workers' Party, who have tabled amendments, in opposing Resolution No. 17. This is not the only change in VAT that will be made during the year. In his contribution the Minister said:

The bulk of activities currently rated at 12.5 per cent here are, under the terms of the agreements concluded, destined to be liable at the standard rate. While the adjustment process must be completed by next year, I would not propose to make the transition in one step.

In that regard there is more to come. The Minister went on to say:

One important consequence for the Exchequer of the new procedures will be the ending of the payment of VAT at point of entry on imports from within the Community. This change will entail a cash flow loss for the Exchequer in 1993 of the order of £200 million which cannot be absorbed.

The adjustments to the standardisation will be made on 1 January 1993 when £200 million will have to be provided. When we recall that the Minister has already deferred some of the payments due under the Programme for Economic and Social Progress to 1993, we are talking about significant terms of taxation built into this budget speech, the effects of which will not be felt until next year.

The business community will be affected by the increased VAT rate for cash flow reasons and because of the downturn in trade following the increase in the rate. Many businesses and shops throughout the country will be hit in a number of ways. Those in the textile trade will be hit under the new GATT agreement, the increase in VAT here and by the increased cost of vans and delivery and the motor and commercial activities associated with running a business. Already they received substantially increased rate demands from local authorities. In many instances, certainly in Cork Corporation area, the commercial rate was twice that of inflation and in Limerick city it was four times the level of inflation. There is a limit to the amount business and commercial enterprises can absorb. They will not be able to absorb all these charges with the result that the cost of these goods will increase significantly more than the 3.5 per cent VAT increase included in this measure. It will put an upward pressure on wages, our competitive position and on inflation which we should keep within bounds.

The budget, as the Minister admitted today, will have a 0.3 per cent effect on inflation. This is a silly proposal particularly when the understanding was that the top rate of VAT would be reduced to an amount that could be paid for by an increase in the lower level. That has not happened in this case. This is a clear scam by the Minister to get increased taxation, with more to follow by the further harmonisation measures in the VAT rate next year. As Deputy Noonan said we will be opposing this measure and for very good reasons. It is a regressive measure as regards employment here for the next 12 months.

Like previous speakers we are surprised and disappointed at the very substantial increase in the 12.5 per cent VAT rate. It amounted to an increase of approximately 25 per cent and it will have appreciable downstream implications. The level of consumer spending has been sluggish and one hoped, in the interests of job creation, that everything possible would be done in the budget to encourage consumer spending and increase employment but the reverse is being done here in relation to a category of goods and services which are of the utmost importance. One would have thought that a high priority would be given to repair and maintenance services to encourage spending on such services. There is a substantial element of import substitution. I remember a big deal was made of the concept of reducing the VAT rate on car repairs and maintenance, a very worth-while concept, but here the reverse is being done. The VAT rate on repair and maintenance services is to be substantially increased. What effect will this have on employment? Clearly, the answer is in the negative.

Where is the concept of converging VAT rates which we were told must happen? It was my understanding that the standard VAT rate was to be 15 per cent. It is not a question of taking two bites at the cherry to achieve that rate; we have already exceeded it with this increase to 16 per cent for clothing, footwear, repair and maintenance services, personal services and telecommunications, each very important when it comes to maintaining and creating employment.

In relation to Financial Resolution No. 20 — Capital Gains Tax — the Minister proposes to have one standard rate. I find this rather strange and is a retrogressive measure. Leaving aside what the yield may be, there seems to have been a reason for the previous regime, in other words, a quick fix, quick killing within a very short period attracted a higher rate of capital gains tax than if the asset was held for an increasing number of years. That seemed a very sensible and logical provision in that it drew a distinction between the person who sold an asset after a number of years and the quick kill merchant. Yet, for some reason the concept of standardisation is being brought in and the logic behind it escapes me. There may have been a logic for making adjustments to the rates charged under the previous regime to either increase or reduce them, but to put the quick kill deal on a par with a person who held an asset for years, is a retrogressive step in terms of taxation and is to be deplored.

I agree with my colleagues on this side of the House. The Minister said he wants to reach the stage where our rates of VAT are similar to those charged by our partners in Europe, and that he prefers to move the rates upwards as opposed to downwards from 21 per cent. He has decided to increase the rate of 12.5 per cent to 16 per cent at a time when one would have thought the best way to go was to reduce the rate of 21 per cent to, say 19 per cent. Perhaps a case could be made for increasing the rate of 12.5 per cent towards the figure we have been told will be the standard rate — which is expected to be between 14 per cent and 16 per cent.

Can the Minister give the House any information about the increase in the rate of VAT on telecommunications services? In the period leading up to 15 January, Bord Telecom carried out a major public relations exercise. They announced that the national telephone bill would be cut by £50 million through various changes. These included the introduction of a time limit of 15 minutes per unit in respect of local calls made during peak hours. Can the Minister say that this increase will not be passed on to the consumers? Will he ensure that it is not a case of now you see it, now you don't, or despite Telecom Éireann's assertions that our national telephone bill will be reduced, will this increase be passed on?

The Minister said that the VAT on certain entertainment will remain at 12.5 per cent. Are fun fairs, shows and circuses included here? Will he ensure that they are not liable to the higher rates of 16 per cent or 21 per cent? I have no doubt the Minister is aware of the pleasure these fun fairs and circuses give. They are as much an art form as those which have been granted tax exemptions.

Like Deputy Noonan, I would like to mention briefly the proposed charge on ATM cards and increases on other services. While these figures are not very high now, there is a tendency to allow these taxes to increase year by year. There is also a danger that employees will ask their employers to pay them in cash. There has been a move away from cash payments to reduce the risk of robberies and the danger to staff who have to transport large amounts of money to factories and places of employment. If one makes banking services so expensive for the ordinary consumer, there is a danger employees will ask for cash payments rather than being paid by cheque or having their salaries paid direct into their bank accounts. I caution the Minister not to look on this as a slush fund or to think he can continue to increase these taxes.

First, I would like to put it on record that I find this method of dealing with this debate most unsatisfactory. Each time we are presented with a package of resolutions I find myself supporting some and disagreeing with others. I am sure there must be a better way to deal with this but as I am not party to the way the Whips organise business in the House I had no input.

I want to deal mainly with Financial Resolution No. 17 but, first, let me refer very briefly to the other resolutions. I have no problem with Financial Resolution No. 18. In relation to Financial Resolution No. 19, I agree with Deputy Owen; we want to try to move towards a cashless society. It is a bit like the curate's egg. While I have no problem with the proposed increase in the charge on credit cards, I have a problem with the proposed charge of £2 on ATM cards. We should encourage everyone to have bank accounts and to use cheques and credit cards as much as possible to reduce the risk of robberies. I ask the Minister to leave that tax alone for a very long time.

In relation to Financial Resolution No. 20, capital gains tax, I am inclined to agree with Deputy Taylor. I am not impressed by the Minister's reasons for changing the different rates of tax. It would be much better to leave them as they are. I have no problem with Financial Resolution No. 21 which also deals with capital gains tax.

However, I have a serious problem with Financial Resolution No. 17 and I would like formally to support The Workers' Party amendment in respect of the increase in the VAT rate on certain services from 12.5 per cent to 16 per cent. Like other Deputies, I would like to single out repair and maintenance services. For the second year in a row the rate of VAT has been increased in the budget. Last year it was increased from 10 per cent to 12.5 per cent and it is now proposed to increase it to 16 per cent. Deputy Taylor mentioned import substitution and the fact that this sector is labour intensive. I agree with him, but a further and much more important argument needs to be made relating to the environment.

The Government have clearly shown in introducing this measure that they do not support the concept of energy saving. Surely the Minister must realise that there is extensive use of energy in the production of capital goods such as a car or a washing machine. What do we do? We should try to discourage the purchase of new cars and washing machines by encouraging people to repair, renovate and maintain the assets which they already have. It is also very good housekeeping to try to stretch something but, by this measure, we are going in the reverse direction. Of course the Government — and indeed other parties in the House — are so set on economic growth at all costs that they ignore simple little things like this. This is a retrograde step to which I am opposed.

This is not a simple matter. The impact and implications, particularly of Financial Resolution No. 17, are many and the extra value-added tax is contrary to everything we are trying to achieve.

I support Deputy Garland and other Members who have drawn attention to the environmental implications and the efforts which have been made to wean us from being a throw-away society, the idea that when something is broken it is not worth fixing. From the point of view of Ireland it is a totally negative principle because we do hardly any manufacturing of the kind of services about which we are talking. There is tremendous pressure on people to throw away goods which can be repaired and to buy new goods, which usually are imported. The Minister for Finance, as the former Minister for Labour, realises that the whole thrust of job creation cannot and will not be based on manufacturing industry because of the cost and other factors. The greatest job creation will be in the services industry. We talk about setting up small businesses and in most cases the service industry will supply the jobs. Entrepreneurial skills and experience can be used in that area.

This increase will have an effect not only on repairs of household equipment and indeed the house but also on hairdressing and shoe repairs. What are we doing to the existing businesses? Instead of helping them to expand and supporting them we are doing away with them. Between now and the introduction of the Finance Bill the Minister for Finance, who knows the job creation factors, should again look at this matter. Couples who work outside the home depend on the personal services to which I have just referred. It means being able to employ somebody to come in to do a job which you do not have the time or skill to do. This proposal will militate against that and will put added pressure on women to try to carry out personal services themselves, which, up to now, they have been able to pay other people to do.

I call Deputy Finucane. I am sure Members are aware of the time factor.

I will be brief because most of the points I will raise have been touched on by other speakers. The increase from 12.5 per cent to 16 per cent will particularly affect repairs and maintenance. Road tax has increased and repairs will also increase. It was said that the saving of £300 in excise duty would give a boost to the sales of new cars but many people cannot afford new cars. These people will be affected by the increased VAT on repairs; their cars are not a luxury but, in most cases, are for travelling to work. The increased VAT on clothing and footwear will also affect many ordinary people. The Minister should clarify what he means by personal services.

It is regrettable that voluntary fund raising organisations must try to raise money for medical equipment because of the constraints in our health budget. We must respect the fact that the Minister has got rid of the VAT on medical equipment, which is laudable. I will finish on that constructive note.

I will try to answer as many questions as I can. There is no commitment to the two rates within the Community, the Council has agreed to the possibility of two reduced rates plus the retention of the zero and standard rates. The standard rate has been reduced by 4 per cent in the last two years, from 25 per cent to 21 per cent. The logic my predecessor applied was to the gap in relation to the UK standard rate which has now been reduced to 3.5 per cent compared with 10 per cent two years ago. The differential caused pressure although one does not have to be an expert to realise that some people in the UK would like to have their rates increased further.

A cut in the standard rate costs £67 million in a full year, so it is not a simple matter of reducing the band to 15 per cent, 16 per cent or 17 per cent. Even if we were to do this over a period it would involve a sum of £300 million. The EC agreements can now be more properly called approximate rather than harmonisation. It is clear that the rate of 16 per cent is transitional and it is better to make a move to the post-1992 standard rate in two steps. I met various groups to hear pre-budget submissions and they are all aware of the problems. Our discretion in relation to rates of VAT is constrained by the agreements reached following long negotiations at ECOFIN and EC level. The option of reduced rating post-1992 is available only in respect of a specified list of goods and services. Personal services, including repairs and maintenance, are not on this list and, therefore, they are destined to be standard-rated after 1992. The restructuring of VAT rates was agreed last year and will continue this year. It is a more reasonable approach than one big jump and that is why I proposed the rate of 16 per cent. Some of the arguments made in relation to its defects would have applied if we had made one jump; the transitional arrangement is more suitable.

Deputy Barry said that the increase from 12.5 per cent to 16 per cent would give rise to a retail price increase of over 3 per cent. I want to clarify that this increase will add only 0.3 per cent to retail prices. Many important items are being retained at the 12.5 per cent rate, for example, domestic fuels, restaurant meals and cinema and cabaret admissions.

Deputy Taylor asked about repairs carried out in garages. Under EC agreements there will be a standard rate for garage repairs and other services after 1992. I should add that the motor trade are doing exceptionally well under other elements of the budget, for example, new car excise is being reduced, the excise duty on commercial vehicles is being abolished and the excise on petrol is being reduced.

In relation to the 15 per cent standard rate, I think I have answered the questions on this. As has been made clear it is a minimum rate and countries are free to exceed it.

We do not understand what the Minister is calculating the £67 million on.

The cut in the standard rate will amount to £67 million.

Is it a 1 per cent, 2 per cent or 3 per cent cut?

It is a 1 per cent cut.

Let us hear the Minister without interruption.

Deputy Owen asked about the 12.5 per cent VAT rate on entertainment. This covers cinemas, touring fun fairs, cabarets and commercial museums. If we are to fund other elements of harmonisation it is necessary to keep the standard rate relatively high. I ask Deputies who talk about the top rate to remember that 17 per cent of our VAT base is already zero rated and a further 15 per cent of consumption is VAT exempt. Therefore, one cannot take away the entire VAT base. If I was to move the zero rate and the other rates up I would affect items which I do not think anyone would like to see affected.

I should like to say to Deputy Barnes that unfortunately there was no support among other member states for the option of charging a reduced rate on personal and repair services in the post-1992 regime. Points were put forward in this regard but there was no support for them.

Deputy Rabbitte asked about the 2.7 rate. This relates only to livestock and is set at the same level as the farmers' flat rate refund. A uniform rate of 2.7 per cent will enable marts to operate smoothly when dealing both with farmers who are registered and those who are unregistered for VAT purposes.

Deputy Taylor asked about capital gains tax. Indexation will ensure that those who have held assets for a long period will continue to pay less tax. With regard to ATMs, there is no financial resolution on the introduction of a charge for this service. This is a matter for the Finance Bill.

I want to say in reply to Deputy Garland that I think there is widespread agreement that the VAT system is not the most suitable or appropriate instrument for dealing with environmental issues. On the last occasion I took questions I spoke at length about the energy tax, the arguments for and against it and the difficulties which would arise. This issue is still being debated. Proposals were put forward at the Energy Council in December and at the ECOFIN Council. The experts were asked to examine the viability of an energy tax and how it would operate. I think this matter will be raised again at the March meetings.

The practical effect of the amendments proposed by Deputy Rabbitte would leave the goods and services concerned liable to the 12.5 per cent rate of VAT rather than increase them to the traditional 16 per cent rate. The cost of such an approach would be £56 million in 1992 and £81 million in a full year. As I said, under EC agreements the goods and services concerned must, in the internal market, be liable at the standard rate of VAT. As I outlined in my Budget Statement, I intend to make this transition in two steps rather than one. I am sure the House will accept in the circumstances that the approach I have put forward in the Financial Resolution is the correct one.

I want to press the amendment in my name. The Minister has not always addressed questions put to him. Nobody on this side of the House is arguing for a single jump. That is not the issue. If there must be an increase in the standard rate — I think most of us accept that there must be——

The Minister's reply formally concluded the debate. I will allow a relevant question, but no more.

I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle. Because I had an amendment down, I thought——

The Deputy spoke to his amendment earlier.

In any event I was finishing my sentence. If you would permit me to finish my sentence——

I am permitting questions for elucidation purposes.

In that event, I will use the Finance Bill to get answers to any questions I want. I want to press my amendment. I want to explain that I am doing so not because I do not accept the inevitability of some increase in the standard rate but because I believe that should have brought about some diminution of the marginal rate to protect our trading position vis-à-vis Britain and to make progress towards the objective of that approximation. The Minister's proposal goes in the opposite direction and for that reason I want to press my amendment.

The Deputy's amendments will be dealt with in the question I will shortly put to the House.

Will the Minister indicate the full year cost of the income tax changes and the cost in 1992 of the reduction in the top rate from 52 per cent to 48 per cent?

(Limerick East): VAT at 21 per cent is being imposed on commercial sporting and leisure complexes. What precisely will that apply to? Will it include, for example, leisure complexes in hotels, Leopardstown Racecourse, the All-Ireland Finals, concerts and matches held at Semple Stadium in Thurles, health clubs, golf courses——

Massage parlours.

(Limerick East): Delicacy prevented me from mentioning them.

It would depend on the service.

Does the Minister know whether the VAT increases in telecommunications services will be absorbed by Telecom or will they be passed on to the consumer?

They will be passed on to the consumer. The reduction in the top rate of income tax from 52 per cent to 48 per cent will cost £35.5 million in 1992 and £60 million in a full year. With regard to the point raised by Deputy Noonan, I gave some details earlier of the kind of entertainment involved. Basically this will include sporting and leisure complexes which are run on a commercial basis. It will not be imposed on ordinary sporting fixtures. As the Deputy knows, there are some difficulties in regard to leisure and sporting facilities linked to hotels. The practice has developed in recent years whereby a separate company is used for the purpose of trying to avoid the existing tax regime. Normal sporting, voluntary and social clubs will not be taxed; it will apply only to commercial clubs which are now big business.

(Limerick East): What about professional soccer matches?

And golf clubs?

This matter will be dealt with in the Finance Bill. Spectator sports held at Croke Park and Lansdowne Road and Garryowen and Young Munster matches will not be taxable.

You will not have to pay extra to get into Croke Park.

I asked the Minister what is the cost in a full year of the income tax concessions which this year amount to £168 million. These provisions in the budget are very defective in that they give only partial information on some of these points. The cost of the changes in exemption limits, rates and the standard bands in 1992 is £168 million, but what is the cost in a full year?

The extension of the standard bands by £775 and £1,550 will cost £46 million in 1992 and £76 million in the first year. I have already given the costs of the reduction in the top rate from 52 per cent to 48 per cent — £35.5 million in 1992 and £60 million in a full year.

What is the total cost in a full year?

Two-hundred and eighty million pounds.

As it is now midnight I am required to put the following question in accordance with the order of the Dáil of this day: "That the amendments set down to Financial Resolution No. 17 are hereby negatived and that Financial Resolutions Nos. 17 to 21, inclusive, are hereby agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 82; Níl, 78.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Aylward, Liam.
  • Barrett, Michael.
  • Brady, Gerard.
  • Brady, Vincent.
  • Brennan, Mattie.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Calleary, Seán.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Clohessy, Peadar.
  • Collins, Gerard.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullimore, Séamus.
  • Daly, Brendan.
  • Davern, Noel.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • Dennehy, John.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Fahey, Frank.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam Joseph.
  • Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Flynn, Pádraig.
  • Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Harney, Mary.
  • Haughey, Charles J.
  • Hillery, Brian.
  • Hilliard, Colm.
  • Hyland, Liam.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Kelly, Laurence.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • Lyons, Denis.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McDaid, Jim.
  • McEllistrim, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P. J.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Noonan, Michael J. (Limerick West).
  • O'Connell, John.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donoghue, John.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • O'Toole, Martin Joe.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Quill, Máirín.
  • Reynolds, Albert.
  • Roche, Dick.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Stafford, John.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Wilson, John P.
  • Woods, Michael.
  • Wyse, Pearse.

Níl

  • Ahearn, Therese.
  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barnes, Monica.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Belton, Louis J.
  • Boylan, Andrew.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Browne, John. (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Durkan, Bernard.
  • Enright, Thomas W.
  • Farrelly, John V.
  • Fennell, Nuala.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Finucane, Michael.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Foxe, Tom.
  • Garland, Roger.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Gregory, Tony.
  • Harte, Paddy.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kemmy, Jim.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Lee, Pat.
  • Lowry, Michael.
  • McCartan, Pat.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connor, John.
  • Cosgrave, Michael Joe.
  • Cotter, Bill.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • D'Arcy, Michael.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doyle, Joe.
  • Dukes, Alan.
  • Mac Giolla, Tomás.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Nealon, Ted.
  • Noonan, Michael. (Limerick East).
  • O'Brien, Fergus.
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Shea, Brian.
  • O'Sullivan, Gerry.
  • O'Sullivan, Toddy.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Reynolds, Gerry.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sheehan, Patrick J.
  • Sherlock, Joe.
  • Spring, Dick.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Taylor-Quinn, Madeleine.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies D. Ahern and Clohessy; Níl, Deputies Flanagan and Howlin.
Question declared carried.
Barr
Roinn