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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 9 Mar 1993

Vol. 427 No. 6

Ceisteanna-Questions. Oral Answers. - Employment in the Arts.

Máirín Quill

Ceist:

15 Miss Quill asked the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht his views on whether a fundamental change in the perception of the role of the artist must take place with the artist being perceived as an active contributor to the total economy with the rights of access to facilities which roughly meet current health and safety requirements, access to markets created and developed by an equivalent to Córas Tráchtála; and reasonable health insurance and pension provisions; if he will spearhead a national policy of the artist as worker in order to bring this about; and his views on whether this is the most important single gesture that needs to be made in the next ten years.

Máirín Quill

Ceist:

49 Miss Quill asked the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht his views on whether the generation of jobs through the Arts should become an integral part of the overall job creation programme; the steps, if any, he proposes to take to advance this principle in each of the years of the duration of the Programme for Partnership for Government 1993 to 1997.

Tógfaidh me Ceist 15 agus Ceist 49 le chéile. I want to compliment the Deputy on the comprehensiveness of her question and on her personal sympathy and interest in the matters addressed therein.

The question of the perception of the role of the artist in society is a very important one. I believe that the arts and culture sector is now recognised as a dynamic and important aspect of our social, spiritual and economic life. For instance, artists today are increasingly regarded as self-employed persons and are treated on that basis. This creates certain problems. Under social welfare legislation, artists pay the same social insurance contribution as other self-employed people, i.e. Class S. This contribution covers them for old age contributory pension, widows contributory pension and orphans' contributory allowance. Similarly, in terms of health care, artists are covered on the same basis as any other resident of this State.

However, although there has been an improvement in the status of the artist in recent years I believe that, because of the special nature of the work they do and the often precarious nature of their livelihood, there is a need for additional supports. I am happy to offer the Deputy an assurance that I will be examining this question in the coming months.

With regard to generation of jobs through the arts, the Programme for a Partnership Government explicitly states that the arts will be part of overall job creation strategy.

The Deputy will be aware that there is very solid evidence of how easily — and, by comparative terms, cheaply — jobs are created in the arts. Also money is circulated through the local economy with a very strong multiplier effect.

I have long held the view that the arts can provide rewarding sustainable employment at a lower cost than other sectors of the economy, and that investment in the arts has significant benefits to other sectors such as tourism. Therefore, without in any way compromising the integrity and the special nature of artistic endeavours, I will be keen to maximise the economic benefits that accrue to the State from the activity of artists and I will be particularly keen to develop the potential for employment. To this end all the appropriate facilities of the State will be engaged, including the expertise of an Bord Tráchtála.

It is my determination to enhance the perception of the role of artists in society and increase respect for the work they do while at the same time integrating them into the dynamics of our economic life where they have so much to offer. I believe that this approach will help artists realise their full potential in conditions of reasonable security while playing their full part in the life of the nation.

I would like to thank the Minister for his very comprehensive reply and for his kind comments. What he has said covers a great deal of what I asked in the question. I am glad to hear that he is having a fresh look at security of health cover and pensions for artists because to date it has been very precarious and has done nothing at all to encourage practising artists.

Having said that, let me ask about two matters arising out of the remainder of my questions. One related to the provision of proper facilitative workshops for artists in the regions. There is a provision here in Dublin at the old fire station. Would the Minister agree that similar provision should be made in the regions. If a young graduate in print-making in the city of Cork wants to set up there, there are no facilities to do that. There are similar examples in every other city outside of Dublin. Also, can the Minister say how we would plan to engage a State agency like an Córas Tráchtála to market art works abroad?

I am anxious to facilitate the Deputy but the question is over long.

I put all my questions together today. If the expansion in the arts that the Minister anticipates and will cultivate and promote strongly is to happen, the natural follow through is to upgrade our marketing of artworks abroad.

The Deputy has made her point.

I can assure the Deputy that, first, my proposal for capital expenditure for the period 1994 to 1998 will have a strong regional element to it. This will provide us with an opportunity to address many of the issues which the Deputy raised. Secondly, I assure her that I will see that all the State agencies which can be of assistance in bringing recognition and knowledge of Irish art works abroad will be used. I am the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht and it is my intention that the agencies which have been established will remain at a certain distance from me, for example, the Arts Council is a statutory body and I will not interfere with it on a day to day basis. However, through using the institutions, I will ensure that what she — and I — want will be achieved.

I welcome the Minister's comments in relation to job creation. Indeed in Ireland and abroad we have seen the critical relationship between the arts and the economy. The flourishing of the arts in Galway was not unconnected with the input of Digital in that city, there is a very close connection between the two. However, in relation to the planned development of job creation in the arts, will the Minister state the priority areas?

The Myerscough report looked in detail at the question of employment in the arts. In Britain employment and arts related activities have never been lower than 1.2 per cent, sometimes it has been as high as 2.1 per cent; usually it stays around 2 per cent. This is a very good indication of the employment potential in the arts. However, one must be careful not to put an imposition on artistic activities, the employment should be generated from artists and through different forms of cooperation, exhibitions and so on. I certainly see that as a very real possibility and it is something to which I look forward.

I agree with the Minister that there should be freedom of the artist in relation to creating works of art. However, will he accept that opportunities can be created for artists? In that context will he be looking at the Structural Funds to ensure that where there are major infrastructural developments, a percentage of that kind of funding will be spent on artistic endeavour? For example, in relation to the art in architecture scheme, is he satisfied that local authorities are sufficiently aware and taking the opportunity to encourage local artists under the scheme, where there is infrastructural development? In relation to public funding, many artists benefit from the SES schemes but, because they are so inflexible, they cause frustration in relation to long term benefits to artists. Will he create flexibility in those schemes? I accept what the Minister said in relation to the freedom of the artists but he now has a tremendous opportunity to provide a space for artists to do creative work.

I am grateful to the Deputy for raising these matters. The greatest assistance I can give is possibly in the area of legislation. As I pointed out, I am not a funding agency, agencies whose autonomy is important should operate without interference from me. When agencies of this kind have been interfered with in any jurisdiction it has not been to the benefit of artists. In regard to infrastructure, the experience has been varied. In local authorities the experience has been generally good but there have been exceptions, which I am examining. Another point which follows logically from what the Deputy asked is whether the private sector might act in a voluntary or mandatory capacity in relation to provision for the arts; this is something I intend to keep under review. In regard to the SES schemes specifically related to arts activity, I will be keeping them under review and communicating with my Cabinet colleague in that regard.

Deputy De Rossa rose.

We are not making satisfactory progress at Question Time and I ask the Deputy to be very brief. There are members who wish to have their questions answered and I am anxious to facilitate them if time permits.

We are anxious to hear the Minister's replies.

Will the Minister agree that we need to be extremely careful in regard to how we approach the arts and culture as they should not be seen as a commodity in the market sense? Will he also agree, particularly in that regard, that there is a need to address the question of community arts and how they may be best funded as it is unlikely that they will ever provide a commercial return? Does the Minister have any proposals in that regard? If it is seriously intended to make the work of Irish artists better known internationally through An Board Tráchtála or other bodies, will the Minister agree it will require investment running into millions of pounds?

I must advise the House that we cannot debate this matter now.

I assure the Deputy that I do not subscribe to any form of élitism in regard to the arts. I am well aware of the important debate which took place in the eighties on access; an event which I was very pleased to attend was one involving two women's groups who exhibited recently at the IMMA. I was very impressed and it is important that such access is open to me. I agree that the funding which has been available up to now for making work of Irish artists known internationally has been inadequate and I will be looking at mechanisms for improving this situation.

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