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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 31 Jan 1996

Vol. 460 No. 7

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - ESB Redundancy Costs.

Robert Molloy

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21 Mr. Molloy asked the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications the average cost per redundancy in relation to the Cost and Competitiveness Review in the ESB; the total cost of the Cost and Competitiveness Review package; the total estimated annual savings accruing to the ESB; the justification for the proposed increases in electricity prices given that the ESB will benefit from such cost savings in the years ahead; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [2183/96]

The cost and competitiveness review in the ESB is now almost complete. The average cost per redundancy under the CCR will be approximately £100,000. This is made up of lump sums of about £20,000 and reducing ongoing payments, with contributions to the ESB superannuation fund making up the balance.

The CCR is undoubtedly a costly deal. However, the issues involved are complex. For the past 70 years the ESB had a monopoly in the generation, transmission and supply of electricity in this country. It has a highly skilled and well paid workforce. Its cost base, as shown by independent consultants, McKinsey's, is seriously out of line with best practice elsewhere. Against that background, the job of tackling the excess costs was never going to be easy. Successive Governments have ruled out the option of compulsory redundancy. Therefore, to achieve a reduction in numbers of 2,000, intensive negotiations were required and attractive terms have had to be offered both to those electing to leave on a voluntary basis, and to encourage those remaining to accept modern, more flexible and more productive work practices. There was no practical alternative to this tripartite process and the outcome was the best that could be achieved in the circumstances.

In overall cash terms, the bulk of the CCR costs will be incurred in the first few years with the ongoing costs reducing to a more modest level thereafter. Over a four year period, the total cost of the rationalisation package is estimated to be in the order of £270 million and this cost is likely to be provided for in the 1995 accounts. Gross savings over the same period are expected to amount to some £260 million, thus giving a payback on the investment of about four and a half years. The annual net savings are expected to be approximately £60 million by year four and will rise gradually thereafter.

The ESB application for a price increase was rigorously examined in my Department and a subsequent proposal was put to Government seeking approval for an overall average price increase for the ESB of 2 per cent in 1996, 1.5 per cent in 1997 and 3 per cent in 1998. Government approval of these increases was announced on 19 January 1996.

The 1996 price increases will be effective from the April-May billing period at the earliest. Detailed tariff changes will be published by the ESB in advance of the increases coming into effect and the precise impact on the various categories of consumers will then be clear. With regard to the industrial sector, the average increase this year will be 2 per cent. However, small and medium sized enterprises will be subject to an average increase of only 0.7 per cent. The bulk of small firms will not incur any increase and many will see reductions.

The agreement to these price increases is conditional on the acceptance of the CCR by the unions and the ESB, and for 1997 and 1998 on its satisfactory implementation.

I wish to state categorically that consumers are not being asked to fund the incentive package being given to ESB workers under the CCR. The ESB has agreed with my Department that the CCR should pay for itself over a period of four and a half years. Its application for a price increase has been examined in my Department on its own merits.

I am satisfied that the price adjustments are fair and balanced. They are needed to finance the very significant capital investment programme planned by the ESB over the next four years.

I should point out that electricity prices in Ireland compare favourably with charges in European Union countries. Domestic electricity prices are currently 24 per cent below the European average and Ireland has lower prices than ten of the EU member states including the UK, for this sector. Prices for householders in Northern Ireland were 25 per cent higher than in the Republic last year.

Will the Minister agree that most people in this country will be scandalised to hear of the Government's agreement to the payment of redundancy sums which average out at approximately £100,000 per individual and which means that some people will receive redundancy payments greatly in excess of that figure? Surely the Minister agrees that the Government is setting a dangerous precedent for redundancy settlements in the public sector which are, in this case, grossly in excess of settlements in the private industrial sector. I have not fully recovered from the shock of what the Minister has just informed the House, but did he not say at the outset that, following the report of two consultants that there was a need for 3,000 redundancies in the ESB, he was seeking reductions of £100 million per year in cost efficiencies? Is he saying that because he has not achieved his proposed number of redundancies and annual savings the ESB will continue to be an inefficient company and this will interfere with its ability to compete with the private sector when there is open competition in the generation of electricity? What is the Government's policy on future public sector redundancies, now that the ESB is setting the norm?

The McKinsey report, commissioned by the management and unions in the ESB, was sponsored by the Department of Transport, Energy and Communications. Obviously, the McKinsey report was not precise on the numbers who should be disemployed or the annual savings required but gave indicative figures. Arising from the McKinsey report the CCR process was put in place and the negotiations were conducted for a prolonged period. Very complex and sensitive issues were addressed at that forum and the outcome was that the CCR, which is being finalised, will be put to a ballot of the members of the unions in February and March. We have a conclusion to the process which indicates that there is a need to disemploy approximately 2,000 workers and that savings of £60 million per annum will accrue from that rationalisation programme. That will give the ESB a cost base that is in line with its European counterparts and as a result of its price structure, the company will be in a position to be competitive.

The CCR embodies the type of response which was identified in the Culliton and Moriarty reports and which focuses on the importance of minimising costs in the economy in order to support industrial growth and job creation. Cost savings in energy utilities such as the ESB should generate increased employment in other sectors and firms in the trading sector will take advantage of improved competitiveness to increase output and employment consequent on the growth in GNP which will generally benefit consumers.

I am disappointed the Minister did not reply to my point, that he stated publicly he was seeking 3,000 redundancies and annual savings of £100 million. He has not achieved that level of savings or number of redundancies in the operation of the ESB as we know it. That point was ignored by the Minister.

In view of the annual ongoing savings of £60 million a year, surely the Minister will agree that justification for an electricity price increase is questionable when the annual cost of running the ESB will be reduced? The savings would have been much greater if the Minister had achieved his target saving of £100 million per annum.

The cost of the CCR will be met from within the ESB. The price increase which is fair, reasonable and balanced is necessary because the ESB has a major capital investment programme which must be funded. For example it is absolutely essential to improve the quality and reliability of the electricity supply in rural areas and we have to meet increased demand for electricity, which since the last price increase ten years ago has grown by approximately 50 per cent. We need to provide generation capacity to meet increased growth and the ESB needs substantial funds to refurbish and modernise existing generation plants, especially in the midlands.

Mr. Molloy rose.

We are much beyond time and we will now deal with Question No. 22.

There would not need to be a price increase if the Minister would open the company to private investment.

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