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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 21 May 1996

Vol. 465 No. 6

Adjournment Debate. - Courts System.

The leaked Denham report which recommends a separate agency to manage the courts is welcome in principle, as is the statement issued by the Minister for Justice this afternoon. Separate management for the courts is a feature of other jurisdictions and has long been recommended here. A separate agency to manage the courts would undoubtedly be in a position to arrange court business far better than the Department of Justice. It is now clear that the Department of Justice, no doubt motivated by political considerations, has avoided hard decisions in such matters as the rationalisation of court areas, the delimiting of court business, collection of fines, etc., which would have improved the efficiency of the system immeasurably.

For historical reasons, the responsibility for the courts is spread over a number of different areas. At present, the Department of Justice, the Chief Justice and the Presidents of the High, Circuit and District Courts, the Office of Public Works and the local authorities are involved in court administration. This ludicrous situation cannot be allowed to continue.

We, as a State, have allowed our court system to degenerate into a shambolic parody of a proper system. This is particularly evident in the family law area. For family law clients, justice is delayed and therefore denied virtually daily. The average waiting period for a judicial separation is two years. Family law clients are mostly women who suffer cruelly during their extended wait for justice. Some are living in physical fear and others are suffering great mental cruelty and distress. The damage caused to children in such relationships can be immense.

However, the problem is not confined to the family law area. The usual four to five year delay in non-family matters between a trial and facts which gave rise to it can result in witnesses having faulty recollection of the events on which the outcome of the trial will ultimately turn. This has undoubtedly led to a denial of justice in many cases. I know also of many litigants who have had to avail of medical treatment because they were stressed out during these extended waiting periods.

It would be an abuse of language to describe the physical condition of many courthouses outside Dublin as adequate or appropriate. Most court venues outside Dublin do not have adequate space or facilities. In many cases, opposing litigants are left sitting opposite each other on benches or in cold or draughty corridors. Adequate facilities for consultation between lawyers and their clients are the exception rather than the rule. Many courthouses have insufficient lighting, leaking roofs, ill-fitting windows, inadequate heating and do not even have basic toilet facilities. In many venues clients are forced to consult with their lawyers in the open air in all types of weather or, alternatively, in a crowded hallway a few feet from where the other party is consulting his or her lawyer about the same business.

We must not, however, delude ourselves that a separate agency to manage the courts will of itself be a panacea. The introduction of a separate management agency for the courts, while welcome in itself, must be accompanied by a proper commitment of resources. The creation of a separate agency to manage the Irish courts will do very little to lessen the hardship, trauma and misery which litigants are at present forced to endure unless accompanied by a proper and adequate commitment of resources.

I ask the Government tonight to commit itself to provide those resources, otherwise it will continue to condemn those citizens who resort to its courts to continue to endure a situation which is not only blatantly unconstitutional but fundamentally unchristian.

I welcome Deputy O'Dea's favourable comments to my statement about the Government's decision, in principle, on the setting up of a courts service. I also note with some amusement the Deputy's multiple amnesia — his party presided over many of the matters he raised. The litany of conditions existing in our courthouses is one of self-blame. The Deputy's party had the opportunity to do something about it. I am now taking the opportunity to make some changes.

The Minister is promising changes but she has not done anything about it since she came to the Department.

The courts system has remained essentially the same since the foundation of the State. The level of demands being made on it, however, has changed and increased and the system has failed in some respects to keep up with these changes. Indeed, the ability of the courts to function as well as they have to date is due in great part to the hard work and dedication of the staff in the courts. However, to enable the courts to meet the demands of modern litigation, I considered it necessary to have a root and branch examination of the existing system carried out to find ways to devise an overall strategy and approach for achieving a streamlined, modern, effective and economic court system.

To this end, I established the Working group on a Courts Commission in November 1995 under the chairmanship of Mrs. Justice Susan Denham to review and report to me on the operation of the courts system. The terms of reference of the working group specifically charged it to consider the establishment of a commission on the management of the courts as an independent and permanent body with financial and management autonomy, as envisaged in the Programme for a Partnership Government — A Government of Renewal.

The Working Group on a Courts Commission submitted its first report — Management and Financing of the Courts — recently. I would like at this stage to express my sincere appreciation and gratitude to Mrs. Justice Denham and her colleagues on the working group for their commitment and dedication in producing such a farreaching and radical report in such a short time. The report indicates serious defects in the administration of the courts and stresses the urgent need for a radical reappraisal of the administrative structures of the courts system. I have today received Government approval for the publication of the first report and the Government has also approved in principle the primary recommendation of the report that an independent and permanent body be established to manage a unified court system; this body is to be known as the courts service and created by statute as an agency of the State.

The function of the proposed courts service would be to manage the courts. It would comprise a board consisting of members of the Judiciary, representatives of those using or otherwise involved in the work of the courts and the chief executive. The chief executive would be recruited through open public competition and will be responsible for the day to day administration of the courts and the implementation of the policy of the board. The Minister for Justice would retain political accountability for the financial and administrative management of the courts service and the chief executive officer would prepare an annual report for the Oireachtas on financial and administrative matters and would be available to the committees of the Oireachtas on such matters. The Minister for Justice would also retain responsibility for matters of overall policy in relation to the courts, including courts legislation, jurisdiction levels and the number and terms of appointment of the Judiciary.

The establishment of a new courts service would centralise the financial and management administration of the courts in a unified system which would focus on the provision of an efficient, effective and economic system capable of meeting the changing and ever increasing demands being placed on it. It would ensure that the necessary changes can be made in improving access to the courts and achieving greater flexibility in responding to the changing needs of court users.

The proposed courts service complies with the principles of the separation of powers and the independence of the Judiciary. The accountability which exists at present through the Minister for Justice to the Government and the Oireachtas will be maintained and the Government will, therefore, be in a position to ensure that public concerns in the way in which the service is operating are fully met and that the protections for the citizen, which are inherent in where there is direct ministerial accountability, are not diminished. Government control on overall budgetary allocation for the court service and Dáil scrutiny of expenditure would also be maintained.

I will now be requesting the working group to submit further reports on how the establishment of the new courts service can be progressed. The working group, of course, will continue its work in accordance with its terms of reference to review the day to day operation of the courts system and will submit further reports on various aspects of the court's operation. This is a fundamental radical decision being taken by the Government, perhaps one that should have been taken many years ago. There have been no changes——

When will there be action? Is this another Government press release?

Please realise this is a serious decision being taken by the Government today and one that is long overdue.

When will something happen?

I will now proceed. I have shown my intent already——

The Minister said yesterday it would be within weeks——

I did not suggest it would be up and running within weeks.

It was stated in a headline in yesterday's Irish Independent.

The Minister's reply concludes this debate.

Perhaps Deputy O'Dea, with all he knows about the courts, would be a little more generous in accepting that this Government has taken a radical step in amending the way in which our courts will function. We will proceed to put the legislation in place and make fundamental changes to the structures that have not taken place since the foundation of the State.

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