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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 23 Jan 1997

Vol. 473 No. 5

Ceisteanna—Questions. Priority Questions. - Education Programmes.

Micheál Martin

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4 Mr. Martin asked the Minister for Education when the relationships and sexuality programme will be introduced into primary and post-primary schools; if copies of the programmes for both primary and post-primary will be made available to local parents' organisations to enable a proper consultative process to take place; and the procedures which will be used at local level to ensure a meaningful input into the programme from all the partners in education at local level. [1931/97]

Many primary and post-primary schools already provide programmes of relationships and sexuality education in their curricula. I expect that all schools will have finalised their agreed school policies for relationships and sexuality education during the school year 1996-97 and that the majority of schools will have introduced programmes from the beginning of the next school year.

In the case of the primary sector, copies of the programme guidelines are being distributed at the training days being held for all primary teachers, which will be completed by the end of the school year. Programme guidelines for post-primary schools have been circulated at information seminars for post-primary principals and are being distributed to post-primary teachers at their training days. Further copies of the guidelines will be included in a special pack which will be distributed to all schools shortly. Schools will be expected to make copies of these available to parents and parent associations in the context of policy development in individual schools.

The procedures used at local level to ensure meaningful input into the development of a school's policy and programme for relationships and sexuality education involve the entire school community including parents, teachers and the board of management. This consultation at local level follows on from an extensive process of consultation at national level, involving all the partners in education, through their membership of a special implementation group which I established and which continues to meet regularly.

Given all the talk and hype about partnership and equality for parents in education and the primacy of the parent in regard to this programme and the need for parents to be consulted at an early stage in the development of the programme, I find it extraordinary that copies of the primary and secondary programmes on relationships and sexuality have not been distributed to parents. Will the Minister confirm that she expects school authorities to photocopy the programmes and distribute them to every parent? Has she advised school authorities that that is their responsibility and that they should do so immediately? Otherwise the timetable set last year for the programme to be introduced in all schools by the end of this year will not be met. I suspected the timetable would not be met and I now doubt whether the programme will be introduced for the beginning of the next academic year as the consultative process at local level has not taken place and parents have not received copies of the programmes in question.

Each school will develop its policy on relationships and sexuality. In delivering the programme a co-ordinated approach will be adopted. There are two areas of particular note. Under this policy, each school will make provision for the rights of parents who have conscientious or moral objections to the inclusion of the programme on the curriculum and they will be asked how they propose to address that issue. The values inherent in the school policy will be consistent with the core value and ethos of the school. The proposal will be implemented, not at principal officer level but with the co-operation of the whole school. There is a proactive role for parents in this regard and each school will evolve its own policy. This programme is not only starting now, it was established in some schools when the commitment was given by me to introduce it. Some schools have traditionally rejected the need for relationships and sexuality education. Some consider their staff do not have the necessary training or the necessary support to contribute to the holistic education of the children in their care. Some schools and teachers are apprehensive about this type of education. We are concentrating on the second group.

The implementation group is chaired by a senior inspector in the Department of Education and members meet regularly and make recommendations. I will read into the record the organisations represented and working together in this regard.

We know them.

The Deputy should be aware that it is important for communities to realise the holistic nature of the make up of the committee. The organisations represented include the CPMSA, the ASTI, the INTO, the IVEA, the TUI, the Department of Health, the Parents Council Primary, the Parents Council Posts Primary, the NCCA, the Curriculum Board, the JMB, the Managerial Body for Secondary Schools, the Association of Community and Comprehensive Schools, the Educate Together Group, the Church of Ireland Board of Education and two representatives from the Department of Education.

We know all that.

That is a broad committee representing the different interests concerned, but the involvement of parents is central. Their involvement is within their school communities. In 1996 through the cost and training support programme we spent £1.8 million to finance training and we intend to spend £1.5 million in 1997. That will complete the programme which allowed us set up information centres for management authorities, parents and teachers, participation by members of school communities in the process of consultation, the formulation of school policy on relationships and sexuality education and the attendance of teachers at training sessions. That is a large investment in this area. The delivery of the relationships and sexuality education programme will not take place unless the parent body in each of the school communities is fully involved in training, the preparation of the policy pack and voicing its views. If Deputy Martin contacts the National Parents Council at national level, he will learn that, as an organisation which represents parents, it is satisfied it is fully involved in the implementation of this programme.

The emphasis in my question was on the local implementation of this programme. The Minister confirmed that by the end of 1997 more than £3 million will have been spent on this programme establishing the central body, the training programmes, in-service training for teachers and so on. The fundamental issue I am raising is that, despite the costings, there is a great danger that the programme will not be implemented in many schools. I have received correspondence from parents and teachers at local level who have articulated real concerns about this programme. The Minister should have been more proactive in addressing those concerns by meeting parents at local level and providing them with the national programme and guidelines completed by the national implementation group.

It is extraordinary that at this late stage parents throughout the country have not seen those programmes. The national body may have seen them, but it does not have the necessary resources to distribute copies to parents in all schools, some of which do not even have a parents association. The crunch will come when teachers call in parents or parents are made aware that this programme is about to be introduced and they may say no one told them about it. That is a real possibility.

Copies of the programmes should be made available to parents on request. There has been a reluctance to disseminate the programmes; I do not believe Members have formally received them. They should have copies of the primary and post-primary programmes when parents call at their clinics or constituency advice centres. The programmes have been confined to the national groups the Minister listed. Real local democracy is not at work here.

Deputy, that should be adequate.

There is a need to move quickly on this matter and to include parents in the process at local level.

I will take up the Deputy's suggestion of making the policy packs, when completed, available to all Members. I hope the Deputy will play his part in disseminating the information in them.

The Deputy said the crunch will come when it comes to the delivery of these programmes in schools. That will not happen because we have made this investment to guard against that. The delivery of the programmes will be the responsibility of each school and their development and delivery will follow a number of processes. It will not be a case of an instruction being given that the programme will be introduced immediately. It will take the form of information sessions for management authorities, parents and teachers, particularly teachers involved in relationships and sexuality education; the participation by members of the school community in a process of consultation leading to the formulation of a school policy on relationships and sexuality education and the attendance of teachers at training seminars, which are ongoing. That process will take place in each school community. The policy pack is being finalised on the recommendation of the information group because feedback was sought before the pack was finalised. It will include a booklet on policy formulation; a short guide to the development of a school policy, including the setting up in each school of a special policy group or committee representing the parents, teachers and management; a step by step guide to the development of the policy and further copies of the curriculum guidelines distributed to teachers in training sessions. If the Deputy would like a copy of the guidelines available to teachers, I will make it available to him. The parents' information booklet is being finalised and will be distributed to all parents. The booklet will include practical information for parents on aspects of the programme and will give guidance to parents on how to work with their school in developing the programme.

What will be the uptake of the relationships and sexuality programmes in schools during the forthcoming academic year? What action does the Minister propose to take if schools are unwilling or unable to participate in those programmes?

It is planned to introduce the programmes in every school that is delivering the curriculum of the Department of Education. Before we commenced these programmes some schools were involved in developing this area. The work undertaken in some schools and in the health boards played an important part in establishing the basic material we used.

The schools chosen were a mix of large and small urban and rural primary and post-primary schools. Progress reports on the first phase of training were valuable and the feedback was interesting. It was used to plan the second phase of training. All aspects of the training, as delivered, were evaluated. Those who attended a training day were asked to complete a detailed evaluation form which was analysed by the RSE co-ordinator. An external evaluation was also carried out on the programme and we will appoint an external evaluator shortly.

As I said, the feedback was interesting. Some positive comments were received by those who supported the concept of RSE in the context of the holistic development of their child. The involvement of parents was particularly welcome and the expertise of trainers was lauded. That is an acknowledgement of the funds I made available to teachers, without imposing on them an expectation to deliver a programme for which they did not have appropriate training. There were negative comments. There was apprehension about the teaching of a sexuality programme particularly in multi-grade rural schools. The implementation group was asked to look at each of the areas highlighted and, come up with suggestions to allay concerns.

Across the schools community there was a difficulty in finding time for the RSE programme in the curriculum. The same was true of policy development. Teachers were handed the programme in the classroom. The programme also provides for the involvement of parents and boards of management. Issues such as staff relations, parental consensus and the influence of the clergy on boards of management emerged as possible obstacles in developing policy.

As Deputies are aware, there are individuals who believe they do not have the necessary skills to teach a relationships and sexuality programme. It is important to minimise their apprehension. The first stage of the investment process included assisting teachers to acquire the necessary skills, knowledge and understanding to teach the RSE programme and to collaborate with parents and others in implementing it. Every opportunity was taken to allay the concerns.

I would like to be able to say to Deputy Keogh that the programme will be implemented in all schools but I cannot give such a commitment. We have made haste slowly and with care. We will continue to move forward until such time as the programme is implemented in every primary and second level school under the auspices of the Department of Education. The response to date has been good. Not only is the education system dealing with the intellectual needs of our young people but it is also dealing, in the context of their holistic development, with their need for relationships education which has been missing from the curriculum.

I understand £3 million is being spent on training programmes. The Minister mentioned that an external evaluator is to be appointed. Will the appointment be made prior to the commencement of the new academic year in September when the programme is to be introduced? Have any contingency plans been made in the event of a greater number of schools than anticipated deciding not to implement the programme?

I will put the Deputy's suggestion to the implementation group whose advice I have steadily accepted throughout the process. It recommended that an evaluator be appointed to evaluate the programme as it is being delivered. A job description is being prepared. If it agrees with the Deputy's suggestion that the evaluator should be in place before the commencement of the new academic year, I will have no difficulty in accepting it. It was the co-ordinator who devised the training programme. The transition year programme provided a good model. Following the provision of training and implementation there was ongoing evaluation by an evaluation team.

The Deputy asked if contingency plans have been made should schools decide not to implement the programme. The programme will form part of the primary school curriculum and, in theory, it should be easy to teach but certain innate skills are required. One has to be sensitive to the needs of parents as well as pupils. Because of this I have been prepared to move forward slowly. I am satisfied that more than half of the schools will implement the programme. Teachers were asked to express their concerns, which will be allayed. I am not committing myself to a timescale but the programme will be delivered. Some school communities will require more help than others. This will be forthcoming.

Confused signals are being received. It seems, on the one hand, it will be up to each local school to decide whether the programme should be implemented and, on the other, it will form part of the curriculum.

Has the Minister issued guidelines to school authorities? Should parents decide that they do not want their children to avail of the programme what procedure will be adopted? This issue was raised on the "Liveline" radio programme last week. Will the children concerned be taken out of the classroom?

The step by step policy guidelines cover how the school community should respond. It will make the decision. We are committed——

What procedure will be adopted?

There are 3,220 primary schools.

The Minister is being facetious.

I am not. The Deputy is trying to nit-pick.

I am not. This question is being asked all the time.

The guidelines cover how the school community should respond.

The Minister should answer the question.

I have answered it. The decision will be taken by the school community concerned.

The Minister is fudging the issue.

I am not. I will not be bullied into speaking on behalf of each school community. School communities, which are comprised of the board of management, teachers and parents have a specific role to ensure the success of the programme.

The Minister should enter into discussions with parents.

While it is important that they meet the needs of those parents who have a contentious objection to their children availing of the programme, I will not allow objections by individuals to its introduction to prevent other children from availing of it. Each school community, therefore, has a responsibility to introduce the programme and, on implementation, to decide how it will allow parents to remove their children. There are 3,220 primary schools and 400 second level schools. The level of activity and parental involvement in this will be extremely positive.

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