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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 15 Oct 2003

Vol. 572 No. 4

Ceisteanna – Questions (Resumed). Priority Questions. - Garda Síochána Bill.

Joe Costello

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59 Mr. Costello asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if his attention has been drawn to the serious concern expressed by the Garda representative organisations, journalists and media outlets at the provision under head 26 of the scheme of the Garda Síochána Bill 2003, which would leave members of the force at risk of a penalty of up to five years in jail for the disclosure to anyone of virtually any information they may come across; the evidence he has to substantiate claims he made publicly that journalists bribed members of the Garda to acquire information; if he will withdraw this section; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23466/03]

The vast majority of members of the Garda Síochána perform their duties to the highest standards. However, as in any organisation of 11,900 members, a small number can abuse the trust placed in them.

The purpose of head 26 is to address serious concerns about unauthorised disclosures of information to the media by a very small number of gardaí. Such disclosures are not acceptable in any professional police service as they can frustrate criminal investigations and prosecutions, lead to a breakdown in the public's confidence and trust and constitute a gross and unnecessary invasion of the privacy of victims of crime. They can also expose the taxpayer to the payment of substantial damages.

My concerns about such disclosures were originally raised by a previous Attorney General, Mr. David Byrne, who is now the EU Commissioner. Mr. Byrne communicated with the previous Garda Commissioner on the matter in 1999. The commissioner for his part indicated that it would be of considerable assistance to the Garda Síochána if the law were strengthened to facilitate the proper investigation of wrongful disclosures of confidential information by applying to such cases the detention provisions of the Criminal Justice Act 1984. That Act provides for the detention and questioning of suspects arrested for offences carrying a penalty of five years imprisonment or more. Representatives of a number of Garda associations have also made it clear that they do not condone unauthorised disclosures of information by members of the Garda Síochána.

It is important that no matter how infrequent the incidence of disclosure of confidential information by individual members of the Garda Síochána, the law must be visibly adequate to the task of deterring or, where it occurs, dealing with such behaviour, especially given the highly confidential and intimate nature of the information held by the force on victims of crime and others. Persons who make statements in confidence to the Garda Síochána concerning their intimate private affairs should not have their privacy violated.

For these reasons I have included in the general scheme of the Garda Síochána Bill 2003 a provision on the prevention of the unauthorised disclosure of confidential information from within the force. In making this proposal, I have made clear that it is not intended in any way to interfere with normal and proper relations between the force and the media. In publishing the general scheme in advance of the finalisation of the Bill itself my aim was to facilitate public debate and consultation. The Deputy was present when the scheme of the Bill was discussed recently by the Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights. I have received some views from bodies and members of the public directly and I am well aware that head 26 in particular has attracted a significant amount of media attention.

When the general scheme was published I indicated that head 26 was overly widely drawn and would need to be reined in in certain respects. I have indicated in public, and I will answer a supplementary question on this point if the Deputy wishes to know, the circumstances in which I think it should be reduced in its scope.

I ask the Minister to withdraw head 26. It is so far over the top as to be a dangerous statement of intent. I will read the passage for the benefit of the House.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

It is not in order to quote during Question Time.

Head 26 says that members of the Garda Síochána will not be able to communicate or disclose information to any person whatsoever. The Minister's proposed action on this issue is excessive. He should withdraw this head and begin again.

Arising from head 26 the Minister accused journalists of bribing the gardaí who were giving them information. That accusation was made strongly and trenchantly and has cast a slur on the media and the Garda.

What is required is a code of good practice in the Garda Síochána. Such a code could be included in the mission statement, or vision statement, which the Minister proposes to include in the Garda Síochána Bill. It could be displayed in every Garda station and be part of a small charter which gardaí could carry with them. The Minister should follow that measure with the proposed statutory press council where the standards in the press would be examined. This has also been promised. The Minister should go a further step and accept the whistleblowers' Bill, which was introduced by the Labour Party in 1999 to allow for the proper disclosure of information which civic-minded public servants need to disclose in serious occasions of wrongdoing. The Minister should approach this question in a meaningful way rather than use a sledge-hammer to crack a nut.

The note included in the draft scheme of the Bill, from which Deputy Costello was going to quote in a disorderly manner, states that the precise scope of the provision, and in particular whether there was need to provide for exemptions, would be considered further during the drafting stage of the Bill. I have already publicly indicated that I recognise the need for a targeting of the provision to address the key areas of concern, such as where the unlawful disclosure seriously violates the privacy and dignity of any individual, tends to prejudice the fair investigation or trial of a serious offence, tends to compromise the security of the vital interests of the State or is made for reward. I have also indicated, as the Deputy is aware, that I would not envisage the offence being committed by any person who acts in good faith to prevent a wrong.

I reject the suggestion made by the Deputy that I have cast a slur on members of the Garda Síochána in general or on members of the media in general.

That is what they think.

The activities of a handful of people out of a force of 11,900 are not a slur on the vast majority who do their work very well, keep their confidences and observe the rights of individuals with whom they are dealing to the letter of the law. However, when confronted with clear evidence that material is leaked in circumstances which are highly prejudicial to individuals, to the prosecution of offences or to the interests of the State by a handful of people within the force, there must be something more than a code of good conduct. It is not just a question of good conduct but of upholding the criminal law.

As things stand, there is a very widely drawn offence under the Official Secrets Act which every garda swears upon oath not to commit. I intend to narrow the focus of the existing offence and to increase the penalty in order that those who do real harm and think they can get away with it will be deterred from doing so in the future.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

We must move on to Question No. 60.

Very briefly—

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

No. We are way over the time limit.

The Minister may have—

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

I ask the Minister to deal with Question No. 60.

The Minister has alleged that journalists have bribed gardaí. Will he withdraw that allegation?

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

The Minister, on Question No. 60 please.

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