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Wednesday, 22 Oct 2008

Vol. 664 No. 4

Morris Tribunal: Statements.

I thank Mr. Justice Morris and his team for producing eight comprehensive and conclusive reports and for the huge service they have done for An Garda Síochána and the Irish public they serve. They carried out their task with diligence, independence, intelligence and fairness. Having listened to more than 680 days of oral evidence from 812 witnesses, the tribunal chairman reached his conclusions without fear or favour. His practice of publishing reports at the end of each module or set of modules facilitated the previous debates in this House and enabled the Government to give considerable weight to his recommendations in framing the Garda Síochána Act 2005.

Given the widespread and deserved praise for its work, it is disappointing that there has been some criticism of the tribunal in the wake of the publication of its eighth report. This criticism relates mainly to its findings relating to the refusal by former Deputy, Jim Higgins, and Deputy Brendan Howlin to disclose the sources of the accusations they brought to notice regarding two much respected Assistant Commissioners — information that ultimately proved to be absolutely and completely untrue. In fairness to Mr. Justice Morris, and to Assistant Commissioners Tony Hickey and Kevin Carty, who have not had a voice in this, I would like to address this issue.

The allegations passed on by Deputies Higgins and Howlin to the then Minister for Justice, Deputy John O'Donoghue, against the two Assistant Garda Commissioners were of the gravest kind. They were so grave that there was much more at stake than their professional reputations. If true, the allegations meant that a number of persons had been wrongfully convicted and were perhaps wrongfully imprisoned because of evidence that had been unlawfully obtained or planted with the connivance and approval of some of the most senior members of our national police service. Despite the gravity of the allegations and their potentially ruinous effects, neither Deputy Howlin nor Deputy Higgins was willing to reveal his source to either the Garda assistant commissioner appointed to investigate the matter following the intervention of then Minister, Deputy John O'Donoghue, or to the tribunal itself. In fact, the first indication of the source of the information emerged in January 2003 in an interview between Frank McBrearty senior and the tribunal's investigators, a full three years after the allegations had been made.

Was it reasonable for either the investigating assistant commissioner or the tribunal to look for this information? Let me give Mr. Justice Hardiman's view, as enunciated in the Supreme Court, when it considered these matters.

Will the Minister read Mr. Justice Kearns's view into the record as well?

The Minister is being selective.

Mr. Justice Hardiman stated:

An inquiry into these allegations which did not seek the evidence of the person who made them would be in clear dereliction of its duty. Indeed, if the tribunal cannot ascertain the identity of that person, and approach him, it is hard to know how they can conduct the portion of their inquiry referred to at sub-paragraph (h) of the resolution passed by both Houses at all.

Has the Minister not heard of the Garda confidential line?

The Minister without interruption.

It was not only reasonable, but essential, that the tribunal, in carrying out its duties as defined by the Houses, should seek the source of Deputies Higgins's and Howlin's accusations.

The Committee on Procedure and Privileges decided on them, as the Minister knows.

The terms of reference of a tribunal of inquiry are, as we are all aware, matters of considerable importance. Subparagraph (h) of the Morris terms of reference referred exclusively to the information that Deputies Howlin and Higgins had received on 25 June 2000——

The Minister is showing contempt for the House.

——and that they had made known to the then Minister, Deputy John O'Donoghue. It did not, however, make reference to the fax received by Deputy Higgins on 15 July 2000, which partly contradicted the information previously supplied. The reason is that no other Member of the Oireachtas, including, as far as I know, Deputy Howlin, was made aware of its existence by Deputy Higgins.

The net effect was that the Houses established a tribunal of inquiry that lasted six years at a cost to the taxpayer of some €50 million, which will probably increase, in the absence of this important information of direct relevance to the tribunal's terms of reference.

Does the Minister believe it should not have occurred?

I appreciate that Deputy Howlin was involved, but it would be a dereliction of my duty and unfair to Mr. Justice Morris and the two gardaí if I did not put the facts on record.

This is a political speech.

What the Minister is doing is disgraceful. He is abusing the debate.

We will have our word on this.

The Deputy can have his word.

What about the seventh report?

As the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, I have a duty——

The Minister is politicising the issue.

It is a political whitewash. It is disgraceful.

——to state the facts of the case. I also have a duty to exonerate Mr. Justice Morris and the two gardaí whose reputations were ruined as a result of untrue allegations.

I ask that Members address their remarks through the Chair and that the Minister be allowed to make his contribution without further interruption.

He is vindictive.

I am being factual.

It is a dereliction of his duty.

It would be a dereliction of my duty were I to do otherwise.

It is a measure of the Minister's past performance.

Furthermore, Deputy Higgins stood in this House on the day that the resolution was passed and stated he would have no hesitation in appearing before the tribunal and telling all that he knew. However, he only revealed the existence of this second document to the tribunal some ten months later, more than three years after he first received it. Crucially, the document, in its own terms, exonerated Assistant Commissioner Carty to a significant degree from the false allegations made against him in the information referred to in the terms of reference. The information should never have been withheld. Mr. Justice Morris was satisfied that the significance of the relevant fax of 15 July must have been clear to Deputy Higgins and the tribunal concluded that his stated reasons for not passing it on were "somewhat disingenuous".

It has been suggested in some quarters that Mr. Justice Morris recommended that the Deputies carry out their own investigation. This is a gross misrepresentation of his comments. It is difficult to completely avoid the suspicion that this is a deliberate overstatement of what the Morris tribunal stated so as to leave its conclusion more open to counter argument. Mr. Justice Morris recommended that the Deputies should have carried out some further inquiries before bringing them to the Minister. He made this recommendation due to the fact the sources were confidential——

He went further than that.

——and neither the Minister nor any investigators of these matters would be allowed access to them. This is a fairer representation of Mr. Justice Morris's comments. My purpose in making these points is to redress the balance a little in respect of the public debate that has already taken place regarding Mr. Justice Morris's findings.

As the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, I am also anxious to acknowledge publicly and in this House the grave wrong done to two of the State's finest policemen, recently retired Assistant Commissioner Tony Hickey and Assistant Commissioner Kevin Carty, who have served An Garda Síochána with honour and distinction through the years and whose careers suffered as a result of baseless allegations.

Turning to the bigger picture, what we can all agree on is that the tribunal, thanks to the fine work of Mr. Justice Morris and his team, uncovered a pattern of Garda misbehaviour that was unprecedented, disturbing, at times shocking and called for a strong and effective response. The Garda Commissioner has already stated that the events outlined in the various reports of the tribunal represent a dark period in the history of a proud organisation and do a grave disservice to the tradition of An Garda Síochána.

The second Morris report, which preceded the Garda Síochána Act 2005, characterised the Garda investigation into the death of Richard Barron in Raphoe on 14 October 1996 as "prejudiced, tendentious and utterly negligent in the highest degree". This gross incompetence gave rise to a series of subsequent events fully analysed in the sixth and seventh reports. Those reports revealed a continuous pattern of misbehaviour against the McBrearty family and their relatives and associates.

An Garda Síochána exists to serve the State and its people. This sense of public service permeates the force and has made it one of the best in the world. However, the people have been let down by the events outlined in the tribunal reports, as have the 14,000 men and women who put their lives on the line for each of us every day. What occurred in County Donegal will not be allowed to recur. The people deserve better. I know at first hand the determination of the force at all ranks to ensure it does not recur.

In the time available, I do not intend to reprise all of the findings of the sixth, seventh and eighth reports, but I will set out the main elements of those findings and detail the strong action taken by the Government as events unfolded.

The Minister has spent much of the past ten minutes mud-slinging.

The sixth report made serious findings against a number of members of An Garda Síochána arising from the Barron investigation. It found that a number of persons were unlawfully arrested and detained and that some were mistreated in custody. The tribunal does not accept the evidence to it of several members of An Garda Síochána and strongly condemns the instances of mistreatment it uncovered. It goes without saying that members of the Barron family were also victims of this misconduct and I extend my sympathies to them for the grievous loss they have suffered.

The report made a number of recommendations, mainly centred on how improvements could be made to the law and practice relating to the conduct of interviews with persons in Garda custody, but also touching on other aspects of Garda investigations. I am, in consultation with the Garda Commissioner, carefully considering the recommendations, and I will propose any necessary proposals for change. On the positive side, I am happy to note that the report found no truth in the serious allegation that conversations between solicitors and persons detained in Letterkenny Garda station were secretly recorded by members of An Garda Síochána.

The seventh report uncovered a continuing pattern of harassment by some gardaí, as shown by the issuance of 68 summonses against associates of the McBrearty family and the finding that Detective Sergeant White planted drugs on Paul Quinn to "teach him a lesson". The members of the Garda Síochána impugned in the seventh report have already either been dismissed, have retired early or have resigned. The seventh report also confirms that the Garda Síochána Complaints Board had neither the statutory powers nor the resources to deal effectively with events on the scale of those that emerged in Donegal.

The eighth report concludes that the false allegations against two assistant commissioners were utterly without foundation and were constructed by Mr. Frank McBrearty senior, with the assistance of Mr. P.J. Togher, a former garda, from "numerous half-truths, lies and rumours". The tribunal also identified Mr. Martin Giblin, senior counsel, as the person who conveyed the information to Deputy Howlin.

The significant reforms which have taken place in the Garda Síochána in the last three years have arisen largely as a result of the findings and recommendations of the Morris tribunal. These include the enactment of the Garda Síochána Act 2005, the imposition of a duty to account on Garda members for any act or omission while on duty, new more streamlined Garda discipline regulations, a new Garda Ombudsman Commission and Garda inspectorate, a new merit based and performance related promotions regime, and the establishment of joint policing committees.

The tribunal recommends that the Committees on Procedure and Privileges of Dáil and Seanad Éireann urgently review the manner in which Members deal with allegations brought to their attention by so-called whistleblowers in order to guard against unfounded allegations being endowed with undeserved legitimacy. It is clear the tribunal is not opposed to the principle of whistleblowing per se. A key issue to emerge from the Morris tribunal’s investigations was the lack of a whistleblower system for members of the Garda Síochána. In its third report, the tribunal recommended that “subject to safeguards, it should be possible for any serving member of An Garda Síochána to ring headquarters, and to speak in confidence with a designated officer, or group of officers, as to real concerns they may have as to misconduct within the organisation”. The Garda Síochána (Corruption or Malpractice) Regulations 2007, which were made in April 2007, allow civilian employees as well as sworn members of the Garda Síochána to make confidential reports on any corruption or malpractice of which they become aware.

The tribunal has stated that the review it recommends should be addressed urgently by both Houses "with a view to ensuring an appropriate balance between the right of access of a whistleblower to his/her public representative, and the right of those subject to those allegations to be fairly treated and not made the subject of unfounded allegations that have been endowed with undeserved legitimacy because they were conveyed cynically and successfully to well-meaning Members of either House". In view of what happened in this case, the tribunal's recommendation is eminently sensible. I am sure the Committees on Procedure and Privileges of both Houses will consider these matters carefully.

All the reforms that have been undertaken, many of which arise from the findings and recommendations of the Morris tribunal, are helping to strengthen the Garda Síochána and to assist it in performing its vital role in today's Ireland. It is now an organisation that is more open to the outside. It has a new professionalism in its management development and selection systems. It is prepared as never before to perform its functions effectively, efficiently and fairly in responding to the needs of local communities. Thanks in large measure to the findings and recommendations of the Morris tribunal, we now have a system of oversight in place to ensure, as far as humanly possible, that the abuses uncovered by the tribunal do not recur.

I appreciate that Deputy Howlin has a particular interest in this issue. I emphasise that I could have ignored the issues that were raised by Mr. Justice Morris, particularly in the last two reports, which I read from cover to cover. However, it would have been a dereliction of my duty were I not to put on record my view as Minister for Justice, Equality and Law, a view that is shared by the officials in my Department, in terms of how this matter was handled.

It is a pity this debate has been structured in this manner. I telephoned the Office of the Government Chief Whip this morning to inquire whether the main spokespersons might have more latitude. The debate is scheduled to continue throughout the day and there do not seem to be queues of Deputies wishing to speak. It is regrettable that the main spokespersons are confined to 15 minutes each.

It is even more regrettable that the Minister's contribution consisted largely of a politically partisan broadcast with a view to damaging the reputation of two eminent public representatives, namely, Deputy Howlin, who will speak for himself, and Mr. Jim Higgins, MEP, a colleague of mine and former member of the Fine Gael Front Bench. It is particularly regrettable that the Minister did not concentrate on the major consequences of the tribunal's findings, including the changes undertaken by the former Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Mr. Michael McDowell, and the need to ensure further changes by way of regulation and legislation. What is most important is that the lessons learned are acted upon.

The findings of the Morris tribunal have shocked the nation and become the catalyst for historic change within the structures of the Garda Síochána, a body that has done a fine service for the State since its establishment in the 1920s. The Morris tribunal revealed that for many years, County Donegal was a place apart. Much has been made over the years of the centralist nature of government in this State and the associated structures of governance. The negatives of an over-centralised state are exposed dramatically in the Morris reports. The Donegal described is more akin to an independent republic than a fully integrated part of a larger state apparatus. It is obvious that during the period under investigation, Dublin headquarters had other priorities and that this arrangement suited both parties. The Morris tribunal has underlined the importance of a clear chain of accountability and discipline from the top to the bottom of the Garda Síochána — from the furthest geographic reaches of north Donegal to Garda headquarters in the Phoenix Park. The people of Donegal have the same rights and entitlements as their fellow citizens in other counties and the need for vigilance in this regard has been highlighted by the eight Morris reports.

The scale of the corruption exposed by the Morris tribunal is truly shocking. It is of fundamental importance in a healthy, functioning democracy that citizens enjoy a relationship of trust with the guardians of the peace. A small number of gardaí in Donegal abused that trust and, in doing so, unfairly damaged the reputation of the entire Garda organisation. Among the key findings of the tribunal was that some gardaí in Donegal used bogus informers, coerced witnesses and planted guns and other explosives. Some lied at the tribunal to cover for their own actions or those of corrupt colleagues. The tribunal found that during the period examined, it was almost impossible to sack a member of the force. Insubordination and indiscipline were widespread and Garda headquarters were neither sufficiently informed nor sufficiently vigilant. The tribunal also concluded that the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform failed to put correct procedures in place and that there was an almost total lack of accountability.

A terrible, unforgivable wrong was done to the victims of Garda corruption in Donegal. However, from their horrendous ordeal has emerged a different type of Garda force. A key development was the creation, under the Garda Síochána Act 2005, of the Garda Ombudsman Commission. The commission is required and empowered to ensure matters are investigated independently even in cases where no complaint has been made but where it appears a garda may have committed an offence or behaved in a way that would justify proceedings of a disciplinary nature.

The Commission describes its mission in terms of providing an "independent and effective civilian oversight of policing". It undertakes to deal with the public's complaints concerning gardaí "fairly and efficiently so that everyone can have confidence in the complaints system". Moreover, the commission seeks, in the course of its work, to "retain the trust and goodwill of members of the public as well as members of An Garda Síochána". I can understand how the establishment of such a body might have alarmed certain individuals or groups who feared the commission might conduct some type of witch hunt against them. However, the commission has shown both common sense and fairness in the conduct of its work to date. I commend the commissioners and their staff on this work.

The commission is coping with a large workload. I understand it has been seeking to focus on complaints of a larger scale as smaller complaints are time consuming and something of a drain on resources. However, I caution against a narrowing of the commission's remit. The previous Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Brian Lenihan, received representations from the commission on this matter and undertook to review the legislation with a view towards introducing amendments that would allow for certain complaints of a less serious nature to be returned to the Garda Síochána for processing. I am not sure whether this is a wise proposal. What is the view of the Minister in this regard?

The basis for my caution stems from my work as a public representative. I am sure I am no different from most of my colleagues in receiving from time to time complaints from members of the public about relatively minor issues involving members of the Garda Síochána. It is difficult for public representatives to address these matters as the automatic instinct is to direct people to the statutory structures put in place by the Legislature to deal with complaints in this area. If the role of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission is restricted, it will be difficult for people who believe they have a grievance, justified or not, to achieve closure or to maintain trust in the system. I understand that such cases can be demanding in respect of time and other resources, but in a democracy it is money well spent to have in place procedures to deal with such issues.

Independence must be ensured and the relationship must be at arm's length at all times. I am sure many of these minor complaints can be dealt with in a relatively time efficient fashion but it is important that people have somewhere to go if they have a problem, and that the place is independent.

The fifth annual report of the now defunct Garda Complaints Board revealed that more than 80% of complaints made against the Garda were groundless. While some gardaí might well feel aggrieved when the GSOC investigates complaints they believe are groundless, the investigation allows the garda to be decisively cleared if innocent of the allegations made against him or her. The GSOC seeks to protect the good name of the Garda Síochána and to uphold the rights of the citizenry.

In its first year, the GSOC received 3,000 complaints, an onerous workload for a new body. While the commission was not fully resourced for some time after its establishment, it belatedly received an increase in its resources, which I welcomed. However, the Government must ensure that the commission's resources match its large workload. If it becomes paralysed by too many cases and insufficient staff, it will lose the goodwill of the people which it currently holds to good effect. The results of a recent survey reveal that the public has great faith in the commission. Some 83% of people believed it was independent, 50% believed it was effective and 48% believed it was efficient. The commission has earned this trust through its hard work.

In the context of the Morris reports and having regard to lessons learned and structures put in place, it is somewhat alarming that the GSOC has had to set in train a public interest inquiry in a case involving an alleged drug dealer from County Louth. I hope all parties will co-operate and that the commission's investigation can get under way as quickly as possible and it can carry out its work efficiently.

The establishment of a structure for Garda whistleblowers is also important in the light of the Morris tribunals. However, owing to the extremely sensitive nature of the role, it is difficult for the Oireachtas to scrutinise its effectiveness. Recently, the Minister, in response to a question from Deputy Rabbitte, informed the House that the external confidential recipient, Mr. Brian McCarthy, has, to date, been contacted in respect of three cases by people within the Garda regarding their concerns. In light of the serious revelations contained in the Morris reports, I am concerned about what kind of structures are in place for assessing whether the confidential recipient's office is functioning as well as it should. I would like the Minister to brief the House or the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights on what processes are in place to monitor the implementation of the whistleblowers charter to ensure that it is working in the manner proposed and in the best interests of all concerned.

At a more grassroots level, the issue of community policing is a positive consequence of the Morris tribunal. In an era of rising crime levels, there is a need for a return to basics and community policing must be at the very core of the work of the Garda Síochána. Surveys of public opinion repeatedly reinforce the point that people want to see gardaí on the beat in their communities such as Tallaght, as referred to by the Acting Chairman, Deputy Charlie O'Connor. They want to know their gardaí and for them to be embedded in their communities. They quite rightly believe that their neighbourhoods are safer when there is a Garda presence, a view I share. I am concerned about the issue of resources and about a statement made this morning by the Director of Public Prosecutions. In an unprecedented and rather chilling warning, he stated that it will be impossible for his office to function next year if the proposed cutbacks proceed in the manner in which he and his office envisage.

I am concerned also about the establishment of the joint policing committees. It would be an unforgivable waste and missed opportunity if these descended into expensive talking shops. The aspect that allows public representatives and the Garda Síochána to communicate in a structured fashion is welcome particularly given that there is little or no formal interaction between the Houses of the Oireachtas and the Garda Síochána. It is disappointing there is no procedure in place to allow the Garda Commissioner to appear before the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights to discuss justice and crime matters. Merely discussing budgetary matters with the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service is wholly insufficient. I would like to see a change in this area.

It is regrettable that Mr. Justice Morris indulged in criticism of former Deputy Jim Higgins and Deputy Howlin in his final report. The Minister was selective in his quotation of Mr. Justice Morris. He stated that the Deputies should have carried out inquiries, interviews, correspondence or meetings in relation to the allegations made before taking them further. It is surprising that Mr. Justice Morris would presume that Deputies have the resources to carry out such a project. The fact that it took the tribunal six years to get to the bottom of the allegations shows how complex the matter was.

I admire former Deputy Jim Higgins and Deputy Brendan Howlin for their courage in this matter and believe they acted at all times in good faith for the common good. It is arguable whether the Morris tribunal would ever have taken place without their efforts or if the sea change that has taken place in the Garda Síochána would have happened as quickly or been as straightforward.

In the context of the separation of powers spelled out clearly in our Constitution, I believe that it is inappropriate for Mr. Justice Morris to criticise in the manner in which he has Members of the Parliament given their role as public representatives and messengers of the people . Deputy Howlin spoke directly with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. Can one think of a more important person to whom such information might be passed for the purpose of commencing an investigative process? It is regrettable that the Morris reports showed a lack of empathy and understanding of the difficult position in which both Deputy Howlin and former Deputy Higgins found themselves on that occasion. A mutual respect of the separation of powers between the different branches of State is essential in a democracy. It would be most unhelpful if either branch attempted to publicly undermine the other. Members of this House are always conscious of the need to ensure the separation of powers is to the fore of our minds in the context of all their public utterances.

The Deputy's time has expired.

I regret my time has expired. I hope I will have an opportunity to revisit this issue. Previous reports have been ignored. I refer in this regard to the O'Briain report which, if acted upon by successive Ministers for Justice more than 30 years ago, may have prevented the necessity for the establishment of the Morris tribunal. I hope the Minister will ensure that recommendations yet to be implemented are implemented. It is important ultimately that the Garda Síochána, made up of 14,000 men and women, enjoys the trust and confidence of the people.

On behalf of the Labour Party and on my own behalf I put on record our appreciation and thanks to Mr. Justice Frederick Morris for his thorough and painstakingly diligent work in no fewer than eight reports that will hopefully lead to better policing in Ireland.

It is almost beyond belief that the Department has written a script for this very lazy Minister — and worse still that he read it out — that in summary means he regrets the Morris tribunal ever took place. I agree with Deputy Flanagan that this is an entirely inadequate amount of time for us to discuss eight reports from Mr. Justice Morris and that the Government contrived until now to ensure that none of the previous reports could be discussed. I will return to this point later.

It would be inaccurate to deny there have been significant changes in the management, control and oversight of the Garda Síochána since the publication of the first Morris tribunal report. It would be inaccurate and ungenerous to fail to recognise that both the Government and the former Minister, Michael McDowell, attempted to grapple with the findings, the implications of those findings for the Garda service as a whole and the changes needed to ensure that such institutionalised corruption of our policing service could never be replicated.

If we have learned anything from the eight Morris reports to date, it is the extraordinary damage that can be done — and was done — to ordinary citizens by the abuse of the tremendous powers we vest in members of the Garda Síochána. The enormity of the task facing us can be measured by the scale of the wrongdoing that was uncovered. Viewed in that light and acknowledging, as I do, the work already done by this Government and the Oireachtas, I believe our work is only half done. All the evidence points to a still pervasive reluctance, an example of which we have just heard, to face up to the challenge and a desire to avoid a full public debate on these issues. I had not heard the Minister's speech when I wrote that sentence but it bears it out.

I pointed last May to the calculated and cynical slipping out of the previous three volumes — 1,400 pages in all — of the Morris report. The decision to publish a report that had been with the Minister for weeks at that particular time was clearly designed to swamp the bad news of yet more critical findings on Garda conduct in Donegal in the tsunami of news coverage marking the election of the new Taoiseach and appointment of new Ministers.

The exercise engaged in by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform on the publication of the latest two volumes was, if anything, more cynical. All we got from the Minister was a statement displaying his delight and glee at the poor view taken — in my own opinion, the perverse view taken — by Judge Morris on the behaviour of former Deputy Jim Higgins and Deputy Howlin. The speech we have just heard from the Minister can only be read to mean that notwithstanding the horror of what was uncovered in Donegal and the damning finding that Donegal was, according to the judge, "not an aberration from the generality", he regrets the Morris tribunal ever happened.

The chairman misunderstands the role of the Deputy and his very limited capacity to investigate matters of public interest brought to his attention. What could be more responsible when put in possession of such information than entrusting it to the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and refraining from public comment even in the Dáil? If a Deputy is given information from a professional person alleging child abuse, for example, is he expected to initiate investigation or entrust it to the appropriate authority?

I will repeat my opinion that there is important business before this House in debating the Morris tribunal reports; that the Government has consistently refused to have any one of those reports properly debated in this House; that even today we are confined merely to making short statements and an entirely inadequate questioning opportunity; and that the failure of the Minister, Deputy Dermot Ahern, to rein in his partisan instincts for a change and to approach the issue on a constructive basis bodes very poorly for any prospect of those issues being comprehensively addressed or for real and significant reform while he is Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

The Deputy is not too impartial himself.

The Minister will have time to reflect on what he said today and will come to regret it.

A Garda sergeant recently outlined to me a case of woeful misconduct in his station. Normally I would go to the Minister, and I would have done so with the current Minister's predecessors. I did not go to the current Minister and feel I cannot because he is so petty and partisan, he would——

Do we not have the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission? The Deputy should not come to me.

The commission could not be seized of this matter.

The garda could make a complaint.

I will come to that in a minute. One could not go to this Minister in any confidence that he would do anything other than go to the superior of the Garda sergeant to that person's detriment. It is disgraceful——

That is why we set up the commission, so people would not have to come to the Minister.

——I feel I am in such a circumstance.

The issues that arose in Donegal and gave rise to the Morris tribunal continue to arise around the country. Just last week, for example, we read of allegations that gardaí worked with a convicted drug dealer in allowing the distribution of drugs which were later seized by the same officers. Criminal charges relating to a €1.7 million drugs find were later dropped without any explanation. Some of the much touted reforms put in place after earlier reports from the Morris tribunal, around the handling of informers, will now be under close scrutiny again as a result of an inquiry under way by the Garda Ombudsman Commission.

The inquiry will be examining very similar issues to those that arose in Donegal — an informer who told arresting gardaí he was working for members of the force; the nature of the informer's relationship, if any, with the gardaí; whether he was distributing drugs with the knowledge of gardaí while they used him as an informer; whether he led gardaí to find drugs hauls after he had passed those drugs to other dealers; whether his contact with gardaí was linked to the drugs charges against him being dropped; and whether he was a registered Garda informer.

Both the registering of informers and the logging of contact with them was intended to be a key reform introduced following the Morris tribunal because part of the corruption exposed in the Donegal division involved two gardaí pretending they had an IRA informer who gave them information about bombs the gardaí themselves had planted. Does the Minister seriously think this should not be investigated? If there is anything at all to the subject matter of this latest inquiry — I do not know if there is — then what the Garda Commissioner has referred to as a "dark period in the history of a proud organisation" is far from over.

The latest report from the tribunal has concluded that the McBrearty family and their associates were subject to Garda harassment after the death of Richie Barron in Raphoe in October 1996. While this campaign was run at the level of the local corrupt sergeant, it was permitted to remain in place at the most senior level in the Donegal division. In normal circumstances, these findings of harassment at the hands of the Garda Síochána would be shocking enough but because of the six reports that have come before, we are no longer so easily shocked. If anything, we probably see these findings as tame.

To put the last two reports in context, we have been told that gardaí conducted a prejudiced and negligent investigation into the death of Mr. Barron. He actually died as a result of a hit and run road traffic incident but a confession to his murder was nonetheless obtained. It was not obtained voluntarily. Gardaí engaged in harassment and orchestrated hoax explosive finds and planted evidence. When called to account, they either lied or they covered up for corrupt colleagues.

There were findings of unlawful arrest and detention, physical and verbal abuse of persons in custody and the illegal recording of conversations between solicitors and their clients. There was perjury, insubordination, breakdown of discipline, misuse of informants, attempts to pervert the course of justice and the closure of ranks to protect the guilty.

With all this, the Department has written a script for the Minister devoted to two responsible Members of this House bringing information that caused this tribunal to happen in the first place into the hands of the then Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform while refusing to make public comment inside or outside this House. The Minister has come in here with the audacity to make the kind of contribution he gave.

I am entitled to make that contribution and the Deputy will not stop me.

We must remember Mr. Justice Morris's ominous conclusion that "of the gardaí serving in Donegal, it cannot be said that they are unrepresentative or an aberration from the generality". Mr. Justice Morris concluded that the Garda risked losing its character as a disciplined force amid "staggering indiscipline and insubordination". The most serious questions are raised about both the competence of Garda management and the degree to which the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform could or did exercise proper supervision over the service.

I am convinced that far from reflecting on a "dark period in our history" as if it has now been consigned to history, both the Minister and the Garda authorities must address insidious and deep-rooted malpractices which continue to damage trust between the Garda and the public every day. The objective is, as the Commissioner acknowledges, to provide professional, fair and effective policing to our community. He also acknowledges that "the powers and authority bestowed on individual members of An Garda Síochána carry immense responsibility", which must always be exercised proportionately in the pursuance of legitimate policing activity.

The issues probed by Morris are fundamental to our democracy and central to the public interest. Many law-abiding citizens already consider that the penalties imposed for gross misconduct previously identified by Morris were minimalist. From the very first of the Morris tribunal reports, the Labour Party argued there was a compelling case for fundamental structural and organisational Garda reform. There was, and I believe there remains, a culture within our policing service that permits or even encourages the covering up of unacceptable behaviour and goes into denial when it is exposed. Even a minor innovation, such as the Garda Reserve proposed by the former Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Michael McDowell, ran into the ground for one basic reason, that is, serving gardaí did not want to do their day-to-day jobs in the presence of outsiders who were not members of the club. Above all, we need a policing service that is unashamed to do its job openly and transparently in the full light of day and under full public scrutiny, which I believe is the intention of all young gardaí on leaving Templemore.

The Garda Síochána has previously operated with significant moral authority within the community, derived from a degree of mutual respect and a long and honourable tradition of trust. This trust has broken down. If we are to ensure that the abuses identified in the series of reports made by Mr. Justice Morris can never happen again, the Labour Party and I consider that two key reforms, thus far rejected by the Government, must be made. Both reforms are aimed at tearing down the veil of secrecy that surrounds the Garda Síochána and the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, behind which they circle the wagons in collective self-defence.

First, we need an independent Garda authority, to stand between the Garda and the Department. Second, we need, as was provided for in the 1997 legislation, the extension of the Freedom of Information Act to include the Garda Síochána. The Labour Party has set out extensive arguments in other documents in support of those two contentions.

Of the reforms put in place, this House has reposed a great deal of hope in the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission. However, it is not yet possible to give a fair assessment of its impact or performance. Recently I met Christine and Derek O'Toole concerning the matters surrounding the death of their son Derek in March 2007 in a road traffic incident in Lucan involving off-duty members of the Garda Síochána. Mr. and Mrs. O'Toole told me they were expecting a ruling from the commission as to whether it would be investigating their complaint. The Chairman of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, Mr. Justice Haugh, has replied to my queries on behalf of the O'Toole family by confirming the commission is disabled from investigating in this serious case. I had argued that the relevant provision is section 87(3)(b) of the Garda Síochána Act, which provides that a complaint about the conduct of a member of the Garda Síochána while the member was not on duty is not admissible “unless the conduct alleged would, if proved, be likely to bring discredit on the Garda Síochána”.

However the chairman of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission has taken the view that:

The Commissioners would not subscribe to the proposition that mere involvement by an off-duty member of the Garda Síochána in a fatal accident would per se ordinarily constitute conduct of the sort contemplated by section 87(3)(b) of the Act and thus be appropriate for GSOC attention.

Many people will find the decision not to investigate the Derek O'Toole case surprising and disturbing. I do not believe it was the intention of the Members of this House, when putting in place the legislation, that a case such as this could not be investigated. It is a devastating blow for the O'Toole family and later in the debate, my colleague, Deputy Tuffy, will explain some of the circumstances surrounding this case. The chairman of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, Mr. Justice Haugh, informed me:

I would however accept that there might in exceptional circumstances be a complaint of misbehaviour (within the meaning of the Act) involving grave moral turpitude but not of the sort just mentioned, which might merit the attention of the Ombudsman Commission.

I do not know what happened in the tragic case of young Derek O'Toole. However as a Member who tries to remain alert in respect of what it is we legislate for, I had believed that merely being an off-duty member of the force would not have disbarred investigation in circumstances such as these. It is a great pity if this is the case. Moreover, if this is the case, Members must, if necessary, reconsider the legislation.

Gabhaim buíochas leis an mBreitheamh Morris, agus an foireann a bhí aige le cúpla bliain anuas, as ucht an tréan-iarracht a rinne siad chun teacht ar an fhírinne sa chás seo. D'fhiosraigh siad an méid a bhí ar bun ag an nGarda Síochána i dTír Chonaill sa tréimhse a phléadh. Tá léiriú géar déanta ag an mbreitheamh ina ocht tuairiscí ar an gcaimiléireacht a bhí ar bun ag baill den Gharda Síochána, ag gach leibhéal, i dTír Chonaill. D'fháiltigh mé roimh na tuairiscí eile ón mbreitheamh. Fáiltím arís roimh na tuairiscí is déanaí, atá á phlé againn inniu. Is oth liom an ráiteas sa tuairisc is déanaí — an ochtú tuairisc — i leith na slí a dhein an bheirt Theachta Dála déileáil leis na líomhaintí a tugadh dóibh sa chás seo — na líomhaintí a thosaigh an próiseas seo. Níl an cheart ag an mbreitheamh sa chás seo.

I believe the findings of the tribunal in respect of the channelling of allegations to the Minister by the two Dáil Deputies to be wrong. Serious allegations must be investigated by those with the power of investigation. While the Minister has the power to commence an investigation, Deputies do not. Shamefully, this aspect of the tribunal reports has to an extent eclipsed the long overdue vindication of the McBrearty family, who suffered greatly as a result of Garda abuse. Members must concentrate on this aspect, as well as on the other recommendations made by Mr. Justice Morris and his team regarding the Garda Síochána and the manner in which it carries out its investigations and duties.

Thankfully, some of the recommendations have been taken on board in recent times in various legislative items passed by this House. However, not all have been accepted and Members await some of them, which I intend to address in my contribution to this debate. Unfathomably, the language and tone of the Minister when he launched the two final reports earlier this month and in the Chamber today betrays the fact that he remains in denial as to the extent of corruption across the force. He stated, "some persons were treated ... badly by individual members of An Garda Síochána". He deemed it to be "[t]he disgraceful behaviour of a small number of Gardaí in Donegal during a period in the 1990s". He reduces, without support, what is a significant problem of systemic Garda abuse to that of a small number of individual gardaí in one location during a single time period. Together with other Members, I am on the record as highlighting cases of Garda frame-ups, beatings and — I believe — manslaughter, as well as a culture which has nurtured such abuse across the island and not merely in County Donegal. There must be an acknowledgement that there was wrongdoing in other areas outside of County Donegal. Mr. Justice Morris himself has stated explicitly the "issues are not peculiar to Donegal". This underlines the need for such an acknowledgement. Moreover, the wall of silence was not simply maintained by senior officers in County Donegal, as it went beyond that county. As long as successive Ministers remain in denial as to the true extent of the problem, the necessary reforms will never be realised. I acknowledge that some reforms have been introduced but many more are needed.

I want to focus on the systemic shortcomings identified by Mr. Justice Morris and his recommendations for legislative, cultural and practical reforms. I will begin by addressing the findings of the sixth Morris report in regard to covert surveillance and the recording of conversations. As serious organised crime appears to abound unchecked and television shows such as "The Wire" grow in popularity, public demand for the use of covert surveillance is understandable. I have long urged caution, however, because Garda abuse of such investigatory techniques is inevitable in the current legal vacuum. In the cases investigated by the Morris tribunal it was found that gardaí were secretly recording conversations with civilians and other Garda members whenever it took their fancy. Mr. Justice Morris was highly critical of the absence of legislation and guidelines governing the area. He found:

there is little or no, legal or ethical, guidance given to An Garda Síochána by statute or statutory instrument, or in the Garda Síochána Code, concerning covert surveillance whether by Gardaí in person or by means of audio or audio/visual electronic devices or recorders.

The reason for any decision to carry out surveillance should be clear and the level of intrusion . . . . . should be proportionate. . . . .

Mr. Justice Morris also argued that authorisation should be sought from a judge rather than a chief superintendent. I previously stated that judicial oversight is key to preventing opportunities for abuses from arising.

The Law Reform Commission is of the view that covert surveillance amounts to a breach of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights because it is not based in law, and the recent European Court of Human Rights judgment in Liberty, ICCL and BIRW v. the UK affirms that view. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and his predecessor made periodic announcements promising a covert surveillance Bill. I hope the promise in the legislative programme to bring in the covert surveillance Bill in 2009 will be kept. I look forward to debating that Bill and ensuring it meets the recommendations made by Mr. Justice Morris and others. The legislation must include clear provisions governing when it is permissible to engage in covert surveillance in the first instance and the forms of surveillance that are proportionate in specific scenarios. It must also vest the power of authorisation in the Judiciary rather than the Garda.

The issue of the member in charge was highlighted in the reports. The member in charge in a Garda station at any given time is responsible for ensuring full compliance with regulations governing the treatment of persons in Garda custody. In other words, he or she is responsible for ensuring that the rights of detainees are respected and vindicated. The sixth Morris report points to a need for cultural change in this regard. Mr. Justice Morris argues that the role is not vested with sufficient respect and authority and advises that a member in charge should be a garda of considerable experience, at least of sergeant rank. He recommends training and refresher courses for members in charge and senior officers with a view to ensuring that the independence, power and authority of the member in charge is recognised and re-established.

The more recent report of the Hartnett inquiry into the death following custody of 14 year old Brian Rossiter addresses the same issue. In that case, successive members in charge failed even in their most basic duty to keep accurate records of custody during Mr. Rossiter's unlawful detention. The first member in charge on that occasion had the additional responsibility of acting as public interface for the station. Mr. Hartnett stressed that the responsibilities of the member in charge to those held in custody must have higher priority than all other responsibilities.

In recent years, successive Bills amending criminal justice legislation extended the hours of detention. On this matter, Mr. Justice Morris argues that a proper and authoritative assessment should always be conducted to determine whether the extension is required and the senior officer involved must be open to the possibility that it may not be factually justified. The superintendent should acquaint himself or herself with all the facts necessary to make the decision. The decision, including the reasons for the application, the nature and extent of inquiries undertaken by the superintendent and his or her reasons for extending the period, should be recorded. Current records merely refer to the necessity for proper investigation of the offence. That is not good enough because it does not reveal proper procedure. Níl sé seo maith go leor agus caithfidh athrú teacht ar sin láithreach.

In regard to Garda statements responding to claims against the force, section 6.37(4) of the Garda code requires that allegations made in civil actions taken against the Garda Síochána are addressed and refuted where possible. The manner in which this is being interpreted causes huge problems and the section needs to be replaced. Gardaí should simply be required to give a full, truthful and frank account of incidents and the courts can then decide whether an allegation is refuted. Mr. Justice Morris found: "It is regrettable that such a basic proposition in relation to telling the truth should have to be spelt out in this way." That sums up much of what he had to endure because of the apparent lack of a culture of truthfulness among the gardaí with whom he dealt. He had to fight tooth and nail to arrive at the truth in his investigations.

Part II of the seventh report of the Morris tribunal highlights the absolute inadequacy of the Garda complaints board, which was found to be beset by conflicts of interest. Mr. Justice Morris found: "The system of Gardaí investigating Gardaí, particularly when faced by a ‘blue wall' of denial from the gardaí under investigation, was never going to be capable of uncovering the corruption that was endemic in the Donegal division at that time." The ICCL noted in its comments on the report:

If the events uncovered by the Morris reports prove anything, it is that complaints against the Gardaí must be investigated independently. The answer to the Garda Ombudsman's funding and workload problems is not the erosion of its independence.

Even the chair of the Garda complaints board, Gordon Holmes, recognises that fact.

The Ombudsman Commission already falls short of the reforms arising from the Morris tribunal or of equivalence with the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland in terms of powers, independence and resources. Despite stressing these shortcomings, we gave its establishment a cautious welcome because we sincerely hoped that it would amount to an improvement on the Garda complaints board and serve to enhance accountability and public confidence in the Garda. Commissioners were appointed at the beginning of 2006 and the commission became operational at the end of 2006 and commenced receiving complaints from the public in May 2007. For the past two and a half years the jury has been out. It has been fully operational for 18 months and the jury is returning. Sadly, the verdict is less than satisfactory. The stated mission of GSOC is to provide independent and effective oversight of policing and to deal with the public's complaints concerning gardaí fairly and efficiently so everyone can have confidence in the complaints system. The GSOC is abjectly failing to deliver on this mission and it is not only the fault of the GSOC. Resources are constraining it but it is not sufficiently independent. It is almost entirely dependent on gardaí to conduct its investigations. A number of key staff were seconded from the Garda Síochána and a number were transferred from the old complaints board or retired from the Garda Síochána in order to immediately take up a position in the ombudsman commission.

The experience of complainants thus far has included huge delays, the expiry of the timeframe commitments of the GSOC, the failure to return calls, the failure to keep complainants updated on the progress of investigations despite expressly made commitments to do so, providing misinformation on the remit of the ombudsman, the wording of correspondence from GSOC being almost identical to that of the old Garda complaints board and failure to provide reasons for decisions. All of this eliminates any semblance of transparency or openness.

I have met the commissioners twice to express my concerns. They acknowledged these and said they are totally over-burdened. They confirmed they do not have the capacity to deal with the volume of complaints coming in, which hints at continuous abuse by members of the Garda Síochána of the position they hold and the laws that govern them. This must not be allowed to happen. Rather than cutting funding for the GSOC, it should be substantially increased so that, at the very least, complaints made by members of the public, which could if not addressed properly lead to tribunals similar to the Morris tribunal in the future, can be addressed by the ombudsman with sufficient powers, confidence and remit.

It is beyond doubt that the activities of a tiny number of members of the Garda Síochána in Donegal besmirched and stained the good name of that force that has so loyally served the State and the people for many years. They have brought shame and dishonour to their uniform and to the memory of their colleagues who paid the ultimate price in the discharge of their duty as guardians of the peace. Each of us owes a huge debt of gratitude to Mr. Justice Frederick Morris for the exemplary, methodical and ultimately unflinching way in which he uncovered what happened in Donegal.

I wish to focus my address on two aspects of the Donegal affair which have received scant attention either in the House or in comment following the publication of the two most recent reports. These are very important issues which impact on all of us as working parliamentary representatives and crucially go to the heart of our system of justice. The two issues are the genesis of the Morris inquiry and the action of two Members of this house whose behaviour was so heavily criticised by Mr. Justice Morris.

While these issues are separate in many respects, there is also a common thread that ultimately binds them in the same issue. I wish to cite a number of very important conclusions from Mr. Justice Morris. I do this not to try to score political points but to demonstrate to this House that the actions of two Members and the allegations they were peddling were, in the words of Mr. Justice Morris, "given a standing and authority well beyond that which was justified on the material available".

Mr. Justice Morris points out in his report that:

The Tribunal is satisfied that the interview given by Deputy Higgins to Mr. Connolly made public the core of the allegations contained in the facsimile of the 25th of June 2000. This was calculated to put further pressure on the Minister to convene a sworn public inquiry.[. . .] Deputy Higgins told Mr. Connolly about his meeting with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. There was very little attempt to maintain a confidential umbrella over the core allegations by Mr. McBrearty Senior or Deputy Higgins when dealing with Mr. Connolly. This does not sit well with their attempts to rely upon privilege in seeking to maintain the "confidentiality" of the identity of the source of the facsimile when faced with later requests for information from the Murphy inquiry and the Tribunal.

[. .. ]

The Tribunal is satisfied that like his colleague Deputy Higgins, Deputy Howlin was well aware that the source of the information that he had received was not an independent source in the sense that he was the senior counsel representing Mr. Frank McBrearty Senior, who was by that stage engaged in civil proceedings against An Garda Síochána and had numerous grievances against various Gardaí and was campaigning for a public inquiry into the Donegal affair.

If that were so, why was it necessary to envelop these allegations in secrecy? Mr. Justice Morris went on to state:

The main emphasis of the facsimile of the 25th of June was its attack on the reputations of Assistant Commissioners Carty and Hickey. The attack on Assistant Commissioner Carty, who was conducting the investigations in Donegal, was a completely new allegation and it came at a time when he was believed to be finalising his report in respect of the Donegal affair.

In paragraph 3.130 Mr. Justice Morris states clearly that these two Members failed to use their privileged position as public representatives in a responsible manner. The report states:

The Tribunal is satisfied that when the two Teachtaí Dála received the facsimile and information from Mr. Frank McBrearty Senior and Mr. Martin Giblin S.C. they owed it to themselves, to the Minister, and to those who were the subject of the allegations, to explore the information furnished to them somewhat further. The responsibility of the public representative cannot simply be to receive information and pass it on to the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and expect action. If the Minister were to take no action the Teachtaí Dála would undoubtedly subject him to criticism. If he took action as he did, it would inevitably set in train an inquiry of a most sensational kind calculated to undermine the authority, standing and reputation of those against whom these allegations were made.

This report highlights what motivated these Deputies and is clearly critical of how they did their business. The Morris report goes on to state:

The two Teachtaí Dála were quick to crank up the political temperature in relation to these allegations by taking them immediately to the Minister. These serious allegations merited some further exploration before that step was taken. The two Teachtaí Dála were in contact with one another about the McBrearty affair. They coordinated their approach in Dáil Éireann to an extent in relation to the campaign for a public inquiry. Though the Minister was given to understand that there were two separate and independent sources for this information that co-incidentally arrived to the two Teachtaí Dála at the same time, the reality was that the information came from the same source — the sender of the facsimile Mr. Frank McBrearty Senior.

Mr. Justice Morris made it clear that they should not have pursued their actions unless——

That is not accurate but the Deputy would not know that because he is reading from a script he was given.

He is quoting from the report. I had no knowledge he was coming in, no knowledge whatsoever.

I believe the Minister.

Mr. Justice Morris made it clear that they should not have pursued their actions unless more detailed information and evidence was produced, in fairness to those who were the subject of the allegations. He stated:

At the very least, Deputy Higgins should have insisted on a meeting with Mr. Togher and Deputy Howlin should have pressed Mr. Martin Giblin S.C. for further detail and evidence. [. . .] It would have been entirely reasonable for the two Teachtaí Dála to say that they were not going to make allegations of such a wild kind about two assistant commissioners and a detective sergeant to the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and put them under a cloud, without something more than a facsimile or a late night phone call.

The motivation and the modus operandi of the two Members were severely criticized by Mr. Justice Morris and he made clear what should have been obvious when he said “Confidentiality can of course be abused by those who seek to use their political representatives for their own purposes”. He went on to say that the two Deputies should have carried out some further inquiries before going to the Minister. He said “particularly when it was contemplated that these communications had taken place in confidence and that neither the Minister nor any investigators of these matters would be allowed access to the source of the allegations because of the assertion of a parliamentary privilege”.

What would Deputy Collins do?

He states: "This was all the more important since the two conduits could be regarded as partisan in their approach to the allegations and were seeking the establishment of a Tribunal: this was also sought by the authors of the facsimile".

What would Deputy Collins have done?

It is important that those extracts from the Morris tribunal are put on the record. The direct action of two Members of the House, Deputy Brendan Howlin and former Deputy Jim Higgins, gave rise to the most grievous, unwarranted and untruthful allegations about the character of two of Ireland's most senior police officers. This was character assassination at its worst.

On a point of order——

The good name and good character of two of our finest gardaí was taken, abused and bandied around——

I am trying to raise a point of order with the Chair.

The Chair must allow a point of order, if it is a point of order.

The Deputy is making a most grievous allegation against me. He said that allegations by me and another Deputy gave rise to egregious allegations. That is a scandalous lie that I demand be withdrawn immediately or repeated outside the House and I will take action then.

That is withdrawn.

It is simply a lie, an egregious lie.

I regret to say this but I suspect that if Deputy Howlin was in the Chair he would ask a Member to withdraw that particular word.

I withdraw the word "lie" because that is an order of the House but I ask the Member to reflect on what he has just said, in fairness to other Members of the House.

It is withdrawn.

The Deputy should rewind the tape recorder.

Members should address remarks through the Chair and I will do my best to protect all Members.

I thank the Chair.

I do not know where Deputy Collins got that script but he should send it back. It is scandalous.

I wish to intervene——

I did not suggest anything about the Minister.

Deputy Howlin made an inference that Deputy Collins was given a script. I wish to say I had no knowledge of this. The Deputy is completely entitled to have his own script and his own thoughts with regard to this matter.

He does not need the Minister to defend him.

I do not want any inference drawn that this was orchestrated.

I ask for the co-operation of all Members in order that Deputy Collins be allowed to conclude his contribution——

It is scandalous.

——without further interruption.

I turn now to the second matter. A myth has been propagated in this country and is now taken as a given by those who ought to know better. It casts Deputy Howlin and the then Deputy Higgins as the David of the piece, who somehow managed to slay Goliath in the form of the Government, the State and so on, and the outfall of this was the setting up of the Morris tribunal.

Who wrote this for the Deputy?

At one point, as noted in the evidence given by him to Mr. Justice Morris, Deputy Howlin sought to pretend that he had the power to recall the Dáil because he objected to a line of questioning on his sources by the Garda. His subsequent explanation at the tribunal concerning this matter is that things had become fractious with the Garda.

Who wrote that for the Deputy?

Should anyone in this House or outside it take the trouble to check the record with a view to establishing the genesis of the Morris tribunal, they will find quite a different story from the one peddled around this town by those pushing a particular political agenda.

On 20 November 2001, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform opposed an opportunistic Private Members' motion that sought to institute a public inquiry into those events and then report on the County Donegal Garda division. Had it been adopted, this motion would have been more appropriate in a——

Can the Deputy even read what was scripted for him?

I apologise for interrupting Deputy Collins but only one minute remains in this slot.

I thank the Chair. It showed utter and complete denial of the fundamental constitutional rights of any citizen of this State. The so-called great liberals of the Labour Party, cast in their self-appointed role as the political guarantors of the civil and human rights of citizens, then showed their true colours. As for Fine Gael, we all know what they are against, then and now. Perhaps some day we will find out what they are for.

There is no gainsaying the facts. First, the Minister appointed an eminent legal person, Shane Murphy SC, to conduct a review of all the papers and facts then known. That was in November 2001. Second, following the completion of Mr. Murphy's review, the Minister set up the Morris tribunal in March 2002.

The House did so.

Third, on 7 February 2001 and on 28 May 2001, the Minister made it clear that he was not against the principle of a public inquiry, but that he had to be guided by legal advice to avoid prejudicing civil and criminal proceedings. I need hardly spell out to the House what the reaction of the Members opposite would have been had the Minister pushed ahead on their say so, and had such action subsequently led to the collapse of a criminal trial.

For the avoidance of any doubt, and in order to dispel the myths, half truths and self-serving comments of Deputy Howlin and Deputy Higgins, I wish to recall for the benefit of the House the words of the Minister during a debate on an earlier Morris report, 17 June 2005. The Minister stated:

I want also to refute in the strongest possible terms the politically motivated and mischievous suggestions made that I in any way was opposed to or hindered the establishment of a tribunal of inquiry in this case. The facts speak for themselves and belie these malevolent suggestions.

The Minister made it clear that he was never against the principle of a public inquiry. However, he had legal constraints and due process had to be taken into account, as he outlined.

The Deputy's time has expired.

The Deputy must conclude, quickly.

The Minister stated:

As far back as February 2001, I made it clear to Dáil Éireann that I had an open mind as regards the setting up of a tribunal. I stressed that I wanted to see the truth of this matter determined. I said that I wanted to see public confidence in the Garda restored. However, the question I posed then went to the heart of the problem. How do we do this in an open and transparent way without interfering with potential civil and criminal proceedings? This was a complex matter. I stated that the law, which provides for due process, cannot be shaped or moulded to fit the mood of the time. Rights must be respected. Due process must be protected. In the hierarchy of rights, the right to due process is a superior right. These are the fundamental principles which are the foundation of our legal system. I made it clear that I had not ruled out the option of holding a public inquiry but I was not convinced at that time that it would necessarily be the best way of dealing with the matter.

It is to the great credit of the Minister that, in the face of a hurricane-like storm that had Deputies Howlin and Higgins as chief stokers, he held the line and maintained the rule of law when the populist thing to do would have been to cut and run. For that alone as well for putting in place——

What a load of hogwash.

——the machinery and processes which ultimately led to the uncovering of the sordid business in the County Donegal Garda division, history will judge his stewardship of justice well.

Deputy Joe McHugh has ten minutes but he will be interrupted by the adjournment at 1.30 p.m.

I am disappointed that Deputy Collins is leaving the Chamber.

I, too, would like to have him present.

I call Deputy Collins.

The Deputy had——

I am not yet addressing the Minister.

As per procedure.

The Minister may just sit there for a second.

I was not going anywhere.

The Minister might wish to do so but there are 10,000 people outside.

Through the Chair, please.

This is a diabolical way to treat a new young Deputy. Deputy Collins is probably a man of integrity and a sincere young politician, but he is caught up in a system. Someone within the Minister's party made him stand up and do the Minister's dirty work today. Everything he read out, possibly for the first time, made scurrilous accusations and was an absolute disgrace. One of the two men, at least, was present to defend himself but the other was not. Former Deputy Jim Higgins was not present either to defend himself when the Minister was speaking.

The Minister talked about the bigger picture. He has no idea about the bigger picture in County Donegal and no idea what he is talking about. He has no idea who is on the winning side and who is on the losing side. There have been absolutely no winners, past or present, with regard to the Morris tribunal. There have been only losers in terms of everybody being hurt and conspiracy theories for decades.

In years to come we will talk about this event and the events in County Donegal. People will talk about innuendo, allegations and counter allegations. The hallmark of the Morris tribunal is that it completely pinpoints one part of this country in respect of one, two, three or a dozen particular episodes. This has been a period of hurt for many people, for the families involved such as the McBrearty family, the McConnells and their extended family, Richie Barron's family and also the gardaí who ended up being caught up either directly or indirectly and their families, including their sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters, wives and husbands. This goes to the core of the human level. There is a lot of hurt and I say to the Minister that this is the big picture. It took the Minister until page seven of a 14-page transcript to come up with a bigger picture. That is an absolute disgrace and I will return to that aspect.

The only winners with regard to the entire escapade will be in the future and I welcome that. I also welcome that there are recommendations and there have been some positive outcomes in respect of the Morris tribunal. The Garda Síochána Act and the Garda Ombudsman are a result of the outcome of this investigation. It might appear that €50 million is a lot of money and taxpayers will always question who benefited from that type of investment. What we have had in this country, however, was the tipping point of a Garda mechanism that was not working for our society. It happened to occur in County Donegal but it could have happened in any part of the country. It is not a matter of County Donegal in isolation.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is spending 50% of his time here today but he has no interest in this feedback. He wants to talk now about other issues with the Minister for Finance, Deputy Lenihan. That is how the people perceive him and the Fianna Fáil Party, in any case, but he has no idea of this as he listens. He has no idea what is going on outside the House or how people feel. He does not know how to listen. The Minister may continue talking but he has come into the Chamber and spent seven out of 14 pages attacking two men who came forward with information. Did they have 20-20 vision? Had Deputies Higgins and Howlin 20-20 vision concerning what to do? I was not a politician in this House when they were given that information. Every member of Fianna Fáil has 20-20 vision when the thing is done.

It is an absolute scandal that the Minister has attacked two politicians of integrity. The former Deputy Jim Higgins suffered. He lost his seat arising from the whole situation, possibly for making this move. Perhaps he did the right thing, perhaps it was the wrong thing, but he and Deputy Howlin introduced a mechanism to stop the pain when there were no such mechanisms in place. The Minister has even admitted that he is to set up a new mechanism under the Committee on Procedure and Privileges in respect of how this should be dealt with in future. The Minister admits there was no mechanism in place

The judge recommended it.

Judge and jury are not enough. Let the Minister go to County Donegal and listen to the people——

I did not recommend it.

——and discuss the matter with these men, and go to Brussels and speak to the other man, but let him not spend 50% of his time making unwarranted accusations in respect of this affair.

Sitting suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
Barr
Roinn