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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009

Vol. 678 No. 3

Adjournment Debate.

Tax Code.

I am delighted to get the opportunity to raise this matter as it affects many of my constituents along the Border. It is also a national issue. Before I continue, I acknowledge our esteemed counterparts from Northern Ireland, the MLAs, who are in the Distinguished Visitors Gallery. This issue will also affect them in a positive way in the North rather than in a negative way here. The Minister for Finance, Deputy Brian Lenihan, has gone on public record as saying our economy has lost out on approximately €700 million since last October as a result of his fiscal instrument whereby he raised indirect taxation to 21.5% when the British Chancellor lowered indirect taxation to 15%. As a result of that fiscal instrument we have an anomaly in this country.

We need to get the Government to acknowledge that this was a mistake and to do something about it, and the Government has the opportunity to do so in the upcoming budget on 7 April. A differential of 6.5% in an area where there has always been cross-Border activity, toing and froing, is having a seriously detrimental economic effect, not alone in Border areas, but across this country. I have anecdotal evidence of this. On a Thursday evening when I head up the M1 to Donegal, while it is great to see all these cars coming from Westmeath, Wexford and Dublin, they are going en bloc to Newry and Belfast. I welcome the fact that we have a movement of people, but the problem is that it is going one way. My counterparts up there will be delighted with this. They will acknowledge that it is swings and roundabouts and has also happened the other way. We need it to operate both ways.

If we drain the Border counties of services and small businesses they will not come back. We have problems right across this country and in the capital city. It was interesting to note our Northern colleagues acknowledging that there was little congestion in Dublin today. Perhaps that can be explained by the fact that many shoppers are heading to the North rather than into Dublin. From a sociological perspective, I welcome the movement of people across the Border, as they no longer recognise it as an obstacle, which it was historically.

However, the Government has an opportunity in the upcoming budget to use its imagination. If the Minister for Finance is unable to decrease the VAT rate from 21.5%, will he consider a reduction in the higher rate of VAT on baby products, construction materials and plant machinery? He should use a little imagination and creativity because businesses are on their knees. I walked up and down the street in Letterkenny in my constituency last Tuesday and businesses were crying out for an imaginative, creative response to the problems we face.

Germany and other states have introduced tax cuts rather than tax increases. Tax increases will not get us out of the recession and businesses will go to the wall. The Minister of State was spokesperson on finance for Fianna Fáil in the previous Seanad. Will he show some creativity together with the Minister for Finance? People are worried about increases in excise duties on cigarettes and petrol and diesel because this will result in one-way traffic to Northern Ireland. A symbiotic relationship must be established where synergies could be created in order that both Governments work together. We will celebrate the 11th anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement shortly.

I am all in favour of two-way traffic. I would like to address the question of our engagement with Northern Ireland and the UK. The Minister for Finance engages on a regular basis with the Chancellor of the Exchequer and his Northern Ireland counterpart in respect of European and North-South bilateral issues.

Taxation strategies, in general, reflect the political choices made by governments towards meeting the specific needs and requirements of countries. In this regard, Ireland has focused on achieving a low taxation economy, especially in the area of direct taxation, both income and corporation taxes, which has delivered significant advantages in competitiveness. In ensuring a relatively low level of direct taxation on income, we have, therefore, had marginally higher indirect taxation. Recent developments have led to widening of the differential arising from indirect taxation as a result of a reduction in the UK VAT rate. However, the UK Government has signalled that this reduction is a temporary measure to be reversed at the end of 2009.

The Comprehensive Study on the All-Island Economy, to which the Deputy refers, sets out a strong rationale for beneficial all-island economic activity. The study, which was published in 2006, highlights the "market widening effect" of a larger market on the island of Ireland, within which previously unexplored business opportunities can be exploited. It is an inevitable feature that where there are two jurisdictions, with two different currencies and two different tax regimes, there will be distortions at different times in the marketplace. The balance in trade has switched at various times to different sides of the Border, giving rise to swings and roundabouts for both sides in terms of who benefits or loses in the local economies and sub-regions over time.

The increase in cross-Border trade in recent months was to be expected, particularly given the size of recent exchange rate movements. While this movement of retail activity to the North has implications for the Government's tax revenue — the Minister gave a specific figure in an earlier debate — it is consistent with the logic of an increasingly all-island economy in which competition and customer mobility are greater than ever before. In a time of increased financial turbulence in the wider markets, there may also be opportunities for companies, North and South, to expand their market-share on an all-island basis and develop stronger customer relations and become more responsive to customers. They will also have to pay closer attention to managing costs.

The current economic difficulties put into clearer focus the need for all of us to work as policy makers to see how we can collaborate more effectively to address the challenges and get ready to make the most of the opportunities when they arise, as they inevitably will. Our economies face similar challenges in the context of the world economic downturn and it is clear that we both need to position ourselves to take advantage of the upturn when it emerges.

With respect to divergences in indirect taxation, I have noted our overall taxation policy of lower direct taxation and resulting relatively higher indirect taxation. Our VAT and excise duty policies reflect this overall approach. With regard to VAT arrangements, the temporary nature of the cut in the UK's standard VAT rate must be noted, as must the offsetting arrangements announced simultaneously in the area of excise duties. In cutting its standard rate from 17.5% to 15% from 1 December 2008, the UK signalled that this measure will be reversed by the end of 2009. With regard to excise duties, the UK announced a simultaneous increase in excise duty on alcohol, cigarettes, petrol and diesel to offset the 2.5% reduction in VAT on these items. Consequently, there was no reduction in the price of these products in Northern Ireland as a result of the reduction in the UK VAT rate.

It must be recognised that the VAT rate is only one factor in the price differential north and south of the Border. I mentioned the significant currency movements and the considerable weakening of sterling has had a more significant impact on relative prices than VAT changes. For example, sterling has weakened by 36% since early August 2007 and by approximately 18% since early October 2008. Past experience has shown that fluctuations in the relative exchange rates can have a direct effect in terms of the level and balance of cross-Border trade with Northern Ireland.

The Government's decision to increase the standard VAT rate by 0.5% was part of a general package of revenue raising measures to fund key public services. We are borrowing to fund day-to-day public services, which is unsustainable, as future generations will be required to pay higher taxes unless we correct our public finances. The Minister recently published a report, Implications of Cross Border Shopping for the Irish Exchequer, prepared by the Office of the Revenue Commissioners and the CSO. In addition to the rapid depreciation of sterling against the euro, the report notes that the other main causes of price differentials between goods in Northern Ireland and the Republic are operating costs, profit margin mark-up and taxes. While changes in the standard VAT rates have widened some price differentials, their impact remains small compared to the impact of currency movements.

In broader terms, our general tendency towards somewhat higher indirect taxation also reflects other policy objectives. For example, in the case of alcohol and tobacco products, it has been a long-standing policy for sound health and social reasons to apply higher excise rates to such products. Our excise rates on these products are, therefore, higher than those in the UK and most other EU member states.

I refer to the question of indirect taxation and EU competition law. The code of conduct for business taxation is a political agreement designed to curb harmful competition in business taxation. It focuses on national tax measures, which have a significant effect on the location of business within the Community and which provide for a significantly lower effective rate than the rate generally applying in the member state in question. The code was specifically designed to detect only measures that unduly affect the location of business activity in the Community. It focuses on measures, which are targeted merely at non-residents and which seek to provide them with a more favourable tax treatment than is generally available in the member state concerned. In the circumstances, it is apparent that the indirect taxation divergence in question would not come under the remit of the code of conduct.

With regard to EU competition law and the EU VAT directive, the VAT directive sets out the rules governing the structure and operation of the VAT system by member states. In this regard, a degree of flexibility is afforded to them regarding decisions on the choice of VAT rates within the boundaries set out by the VAT directive. For example, they may set their standard VAT rate within the range 15% to 25%. In addition, they may operate reduced rates between 5% and 15% and they may retain zero rates, which were in operation on 1 January 1991. The flexibility available under the VAT directive is important in allowing member states to develop VAT arrangements appropriate to their individual needs. The resulting differentials in VAT rates between neighbouring member states are, therefore, not unusual across the European Union.

Company Closure.

I wish to share time with Deputy Shortall.

The Minister for Transport must come clean on when his Department was informed that SR Technics planned to pull out of its Dublin Airport operation. On the basis of meetings held between the Oireachtas transport committee, the SR Technics workforce and local management and the Dublin Airport Authority, DAA, in recent days, it is clear the Department of Transport was aware that SR Technics was leaving Dublin from early November 2008.

At that time the company's corporate management approached the DAA to negotiate the sale back to the authority of the leases on the six hangars and 34 acres of the SRT facility at Dublin Airport. The lease on hangars 1 to 5 was to run to 2059 and the lease on the large hangar 6 was to conclude in 2060. The authority refused to disclose to the Oireachtas transport committee the value of buying back the leases, citing a confidentiality contract with the company. DAA management, however, rightly decided to protect the ownership of key national assets and carried out its duty to inform the Department of the proposed return of the leases and the departure of SRT with the loss of almost 1,200 jobs.

Earlier, on the Order of Business, I asked the Taoiseach when the Minister for Transport reported to him and the Cabinet that SR Technics was leaving. I also asked him what measures were taken almost five months ago to protect the 1,200 jobs and make arrangements, if necessary, to request the IDA to prepare to replace the company with a successor aviation engineering company. The Taoiseach failed to respond but it is now obvious the Minister for Transport has serious questions to answer on this matter. The DAA also told me and my colleague Senator Brendan Ryan, and other colleagues from Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, last week that the State enterprise would not be found wanting in "supporting any measures to continue the SRT operation by any interested party". While this view is welcome the Minister should comment on some issues connected with the leases. Is it the case, for example, that Ryanair and Aer Lingus have different types of liens or restrictions on at least two of the hangars concerned, given their line maintenance operations in the airport? The Departments of Transport and Enterprise, Trade and Employment could and should have addressed the appalling redundancy and pension terms now facing SR Technics workers much earlier, especially if the Minister for Transport knew of SR Technics' intentions more than five months ago. Why did the Minister for Transport and the Government not ensure that all funding released from the DAA, confidentiality clause or not, be included in redundancies and pension funds?

The ball is in the court of the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, the Taoiseach, and the Minister for Transport. These Ministers must come into the Dáil and explain where exactly is the IDA's evaluation of the expressions of interest and what stage they have reached in moves to protect the entitlements of the SR Technics workforce, their jobs, and if necessary, to install a successor business.

I appreciate Deputy Broughan sharing time with me. It is regrettable that the Minister for Transport chose to slip out of this Chamber after the vote a few minutes ago and was not prepared to stay and respond to this debate. I welcome the presence of the Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy Noel Ahern, tonight.

The 1,100 workers in SR Technics were devastated when they were told last month that they were to lose their livelihoods. The very least they deserve from the Minister for Transport is respect, basic information and answers to their questions. Workers have posed four straight questions to the Minister and they deserve straight answers:

When were you, as Minister for Transport, made aware of the fact that the D.A.A. management were in negotiation with SR Technics Group Management for the return of the leases on the Hangars at Dublin Airport?

Is the D.A.A. complicit in the closure of SR Technics to allow for the future development of Dublin Airport?

As 25% stakeholder in Aer Lingus are you aware of any part Senior Management of that company played in assisting this closure?

How is the D.A.A. paying Mubadala Development Company (SR Technics AG) for the leases of the hangars at Dublin Airport?

Workers are entitled to know the answers to those questions and what, if anything, the Government is prepared to do to save this company. The Minister for Finance, and three Ministers of State, Deputies Noel Ahern, Pat Carey and Trevor Sargent all represent the north side of Dublin yet nothing is being done to save this viable company. Some 1,100 jobs are going down the Swanee and it seems no action is being taken to save them.

What actions will the Ministers for Transport and Enterprise, Trade and Employment take to ensure that the SR Technics workers get a fair and just severance package? What will they do about the shortfall in the SR Technics pension fund? In addition, 300 SR Technics staff are part of the Irish Airlines superannuation fund. As a stakeholder in Aer Lingus and owner of the DAA the Government is a significant contributor to this scheme which is also underfunded. What will the Minister do to ensure that SR Technics honours its responsibilities to both pension funds? How can the Minister for Transport and his Cabinet colleagues stand idly by while the mega-rich Mubadala Investment Company abdicates its responsibility to its Irish workforce? It is the job of Government to protect Irish jobs and defend the rights of Irish workers. The Minister has done neither. It is time for action. We cannot afford the cost to the economy, and particularly to the north side of Dublin, of doing nothing. SR Technics workers deserve much better than this.

The Deputies asked a lot of extra questions to which I might not have the answers. In mid-January the DAA informed the Department that as part of preparations for global restructuring SR Technics had agreed to sell certain hangars back to the DAA——

The Minister of State is misleading this House.

Can the Deputy let me give my answer?

The Deputy must listen to the Minister of State. There are ways to deal with that later on. Will the Minister of State continue please?

I had better start again.

In mid-January the DAA informed the Department that as part of preparations for global restructuring SR Technics had agreed to sell certain hangars back to the DAA and had signed a letter of intent to that effect. The Minister was informed of these developments at the time.

The Department and the Minister had been made aware by the DAA in mid-November of contacts between SR Technics and the DAA about possible restructuring of SR Technics and as a consequence the possible return of hangar leases. The DAA advised that as it had signed a strict confidentiality agreement with SR Technics, it was therefore precluded from providing the Department with details of the discussions at that stage.

Subsequently, in late December, the DAA advised the Department that these discussions were progressing but were still subject to a strict confidentiality agreement and that any restructuring of SR Technics could have a significant impact on employment in the Dublin operation.

Once it became clear in November 2007 that the Aer Lingus maintenance contracts were being put out to tender, the Department of Transport alerted the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment to the potential implications for employment in the event that SR Technics was not successful in the tender competition.

Since then there has been ongoing contact with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, including contact between Ministers, in the context of the threat to jobs in the company. The Department and the DAA——

The Minister of State is washing his hands of it.

The Deputy should hold on a second. I listened to him.

There are 1,200 people involved.

The Department and the DAA have at all times been sensitive to the employment implications of the SR Technics closure.

What does that mean? This is a viable company.

I am trying to answer some of the Deputy's questions.

The Deputies must allow the Minister of State to continue.

I can also confirm that the IDA and Enterprise Ireland——

This is an incredible speech. This is misleading the House.

I have to ask the Deputy to resume his seat. That can be dealt with in another way, not by confronting the Minister of State at this point.

He is not giving us the facts.

The Deputy must allow the Minister of State continue.

I am giving the exact facts, if the Deputies would only have the patience to listen.

The Minister of State should just continue with his speech.

I can also confirm that the IDA and Enterprise Ireland are working intensively to ensure that any viable proposals for aviation-related projects, to retain as many jobs as possible in aircraft maintenance, are given serious consideration.

The DAA will also give serious consideration to any commercial proposal put to it as regards access to hangars for aircraft maintenance operations. The Minister for Transport has instructed the Department to maintain contact with the Department of Enterprise Trade and Employment, the IDA and Enterprise Ireland to ensure that any viable proposals can be facilitated.

We are all from the north side and we know the situation. SR Technics has been under pressure——

The Minister of State knew that before we did.

The Government could have done something about it.

It has been under pressure since 2007. We all know that. Arguing about who knew what when and what was said when over recent months is not where it is at. It is necessary to work and establish whether viable proposals come forward with which we can work and help to try to save as many jobs as possible.

The Government had the time and did nothing about it.

The Government did nothing.

That is where it is at. The Deputies are allowing themselves to go down a cul-de-sac. Let us focus and concentrate on what it is all about.

What, if anything, did the Government do to save the company?

Right now that involves trying to work with any outfit that comes forward to see how many of the jobs can be saved.

This is grotesque incompetence.

RAPID Programmes.

I am grateful to the Ceann Comhairle for giving me the opportunity to raise this issue which is important for my constituents in Tipperary town and south Tipperary. The project for the youth hostel, or the hostel as we know it in Tipperary town, has been ongoing for some time. A commitment was given by the HSE, through RAPID, that money would be made available. The commitment promised funding of €40,000 for a lift in that complex. Some weeks ago, a notification was given to the people involved in this project that the €40,000 would not be made available.

This is a gross waste of taxpayers' and community money and of time for everybody involved in this project. Considerable investment was put into that project but a letter has now arrived from the Department stating that €40,000 on its own cannot be given to this project which could have a significant impact in our locality with regard to tourism and young people who might come to the area.

The same letter was sent to the youth and community project in the main street in Tipperary town. This town has recently suffered a great amount of unwanted publicity that it could have done without. The Government sent a letter, or allowed a letter to be sent, again stating that €40,000 has been cut back. That decision involves two projects in the same town where such services are badly needed for our young people and others in the community.

In recent weeks I have seen the great work that has gone into these two projects and I ask if there is any way these two grants might be replaced. Leaving them aside will mean the projects cannot go ahead. I implore the Minister of State to use his good offices to change that.

The same situation exists at the other end of the constituency, in Carrick-on-Suir and Clonmel. I did not mention those towns when I submitted the item for the Adjournment. Project work was being carried out and the Department suddenly decided to put it on hold for some weeks. This is unfair, a gross waste of taxpayers' money and is a bad way for any Government to do business. The Minister of State knows Tipperary town as well as I do. I hope he will be able to deliver a better answer than the one contained in the letter. I saw the faces of the people who explained the situation to me after getting this letter. They have given years of planning and months of hard work to those projects, particularly those in Tipperary town. It is unfair and unjust. I ask the Minister of State to use his good offices in the next few weeks to restore those grants to the people involved in a very good and worthwhile community project.

I am taking this Adjournment matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Mary Harney. It provides the opportunity to outline the background to the current situation and the action taken by the HSE.

The RAPID programme aims to ensure that priority is given to tackling the spatial concentration of poverty and social exclusion within 46 designated RAPID areas nationally. The preparation and assessment of RAPID projects commenced in summer 2008, following applications for funding to enhance and establish services for older people in relevant geographic areas. These applications were assessed and finalised in late 2008.

RAPID is a joint initiative, funded on a 50-50 basis between the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs and the Health Service Executive. The HSE indicates that the total cost of the scheme is €4.6 million. Although the Department of Community Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, with the HSE and Pobal, was involved in the assessment of projects sent forward for consideration, the HSE, as the lead agency, is responsible for the contractual arrangements involved in each project. The individual projects claim funding from the HSE, and the 50% funding from the Department of Community Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs is subsequently claimed and reimbursed to the HSE.

This round of the RAPID programme was launched by the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Eamon Ó Cuív, last October, with further details announced on 23 December. It was approved also by the HSE. On receipt of approval, the HSE put in place an extensive monitoring process in conjunction with the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, to enable the executive to report accurately to the national monitoring committee.

The Government recently announced its intention to examine all current and capital expenditure as part of its decision to introduce further measures to stabilise the public finances. Projects were informed of this decision by HSE representatives on 13 February, 2009. The RAPID programme was therefore submitted for re-approval, through the HSE, to the Department of Finance. All decisions on funding for the national development plan will be taken in the course of these deliberations and will be announced in coming weeks.

A number of projects at HSE level have expended moneys and these must be considered in the overall context of the current review. They include two of the three projects which were announced for Tipperary town, namely, a lift installation in the community and youth centre, Bank Place, Tipperary, which is to receive €40,000, and a community safety van for Muintir na Tíre and community services, which is to receive €20,000. The third project in Tipperary town is also for the installation of a lift for the elderly in the new four-storey community hostel, Saol Nua, at a cost of €40,000.

The Department of Health and Children is closely monitoring the position with regard to RAPID projects relevant to the health service and will continue to liaise closely with the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, and the HSE on individual cases and on the programme overall.

As the Deputy knows, the Department of Finance has put a stop to several projects at this time. We all hope that various programmes in Departments will see the light of day again very shortly but I cannot give the Deputy any guarantees. We shall see how events will move forward during the next few weeks.

I thank the Minister of State.

REPS Payments.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Michael Ring and I ask the Acting Chairman to let me know when I am half way through the time. I thank the Ceann Comhairle for giving us the opportunity to raise this issue tonight. I am conscious that it was raised by Deputy Deenihan last night with the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy Brendan Smith, and I noted his response.

There has been considerable progress in the payment of REPS claims since 27 January with 5,500 claims paid out during that time. However, only 212 have been paid to farmers in County Mayo, from a possible total of 1,353 applicants. The REPS cheque and the scheme itself are extremely important to farming and agriculture in the county and nobody doubts its success to date, nor what it has achieved. However, in 2008 when farming incomes fell by 12.8% and are due to fall by more this year, that cheque is incredibly important and many expenditure commitments are made on its back.

The difficulty now for farmers in County Mayo is that they are completely in the dark as to when they can expect payment, if they can expect it, and whether their plans have been accepted. There seems to be no way for Deputies to find information and provide answers for them. The local Department staff based in County Mayo have been put under considerable and unfair pressure in the past few weeks as they try to deal with this issue and get answers from other Departments and from sections of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in other parts of the country. There does not appear to be a system of responding quickly to queries.

I respectfully suggest that members of staff in the Minister of State's Department who are involved in several on-farm inspections be moved into the REPS section to address this backlog. I ask that a specific taskforce or examination be set up within the Department to examine the delays, particularly those in County Mayo.

Following a meeting attended by Deputy Ring and me last week with the IFA, the Department recognised that County Mayo has a specific problem and presents specific challenges. We must discover why that is the case and what action the Department is taking to deal with it. Tomorrow there is to be a meeting between the IFA and officials from the REPS section of the Department concerning the scheme generally. The chairman of Mayo IFA, Mr. Mark Galvin, is to attend that meeting and he will also raise the issue.

The Minister must consider the human element of the matter. It is all very well to talk about computer programmes, EU Commission investigations and so forth. These are obviously part of the problem but the human element must be considered. This is a time when many REPS applicants have had their farm waste management grants delayed, their dairy cheques reduced, or we have cut their disadvantage payment because of the current expenditure restrictions. I ask the Minister of State and the Department to consider the impact and to make a specific effort in the coming days to replicate what has been achieved nationally in terms of dealing with the REPS 4 backlog in the past four weeks and apply it to County Mayo.

In the context of the coming decisions and before 7 April, I ask that on-farm schemes be left untouched because they were hammered in the budget in October, particularly those applicable to the west. Farmers have already played their part in the national recovery.

I thank Deputy Calleary for allowing me two minutes of his time. He and I attended a meeting recently in Castlebar and he is quite correct that there was much anger there from farmers about the REPS 4 scheme. As Deputy Calleary said, 1,353 farmers from Mayo are in that scheme and 212 have been paid to date. This is a very important scheme for the west. REPS is a good scheme and it has worked. We now have REPS 4. We should know by now all the difficulties and all the problems from the three previous schemes. We are encouraging farmers and asking them to be environmentally friendly and they have taken well to the scheme. Many of the people have paid their planners and many are under financial pressure and waiting for their cheques. Like Deputy Calleary I do not understand what is the problem. The local offices will say they have the plan and in some cases the plan has been sent on for payment. For some reason they are sent back again and their area aid is checked. It looks like a stalling tactic to me because the money is not there and this would be wrong because these farmers have entered into the scheme in good faith. They have been good farmers and have been good for the environment and the scheme has been excellent.

I concur with Deputy Calleary. The recent budget and the recent announcement about farming was anti-west. There is no doubt but the farmers in the west paid a bigger price than farmers over rest of the country. I hope they have now paid their price and in the forthcoming budget they will be protected. We want to see these farmers and their plans dealt with immediately and that payment made to these farmers immediately. I am asking the Minister of State to intervene personally with his Department to try and get these payments out and to resolve whatever problems exist. Whether it is a staff problem or a problem with the scheme itself, the Minister of State should deal with it. I am asking him to intervene tomorrow to try and get something done. As Deputy Calleary said, the IFA will be raising this issue tomorrow because they have got the blast from the farmers just as we have. All we want is for this scheme to continue and to work and for farmers to be paid.

Ar dtús, ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghabháil leis an Teachta Calleary agus an Teachta Ring as an ceist thabhachtacht seo a ardú ar son muintir Mhaigh Eo.

REPS has been one of the most successful schemes operated by my Department since it was launched in 1994. It has brought more than €2 billion in payments to Irish farmers. Last year, farmers in REPS received over €313 million in payments. The numbers in the scheme, including applicants for REPS 4 who are being processed at present, stand at over 60,000.

Farmers in Mayo have received more than €311 million in REPS since 1994, and their payments in 2008 came to €31.7 million. I know a number of these farmers around Ballyhaunis, Ballinrobe, Achill, Westport, Erris and Caisleán an Bharraigh. REPS has always been about much more than money, as Deputy Ring stated. It has delivered benefits to the environment, water quality, biodiversity and the landscape. Farmers have welcomed the opportunity it gave them to farm in a more environmentally sensitive way and to preserve habitats and landscape features that might otherwise have fallen victim to intensification.

In the past two years, since the nitrates derogation allowed us to open the scheme to the highly-stocked dairy sector, farmers who would not have considered REPS before are now showing interest and indeed in many cases have made their applications. REPS is a complex scheme. Currently, a participant in REPS must include all of his or her land in the scheme and must commit to 11 basic measures and at least two biodiversity options. If Natura land is involved there may be other obligations. This set of undertakings, negotiated with the European Commission, is the basis for payment.

In recent years, the European Commission and the Court of Auditors have taken an increasingly critical approach in their scrutiny of farm payment schemes, not just in Ireland but in other member states. Agri-environment measures like REPS are being very closely audited since a negative report by the Court of Auditors in 2006, which found that huge amounts of EU money were being spent on schemes whose outcomes were difficult or even impossible to measure.

We had two audit visits on REPS last year; one by the Court of Auditors and one by the European Commission. Both raised very serious questions about our procedures for examining applications for REPS. It was evident that we had to make fundamental changes in the way we dealt with applications. It became necessary, therefore, for the Department to scrutinise every REPS application and plan in the greatest detail. We had to bring in an entirely new system last year for processing REPS 4 applications. I am well aware that this has meant that farmers have had to wait much longer than expected for their first REPS 4 payments. Indeed, I know that up to half of those who applied in 2008 are still waiting. I would not suggest for one moment that this is a satisfactory situation. It is one that we hope not to find ourselves in again.

There are a number of reasons why the processing of applications has taken so long. The first thing we had to do was develop a computer system for screening plans that had been prepared on eREPS, the electronic planning system approved and funded by the Department. There are no safe short cuts in developing computer systems and it took several months to get this one to an acceptable level. Then the non-eREPS plans had to be screened manually, at a time when the staff who had to do this work were also heavily involved in the farm waste management scheme. Finally, all the plans had to be cross-checked against the LPIS system and checked to confirm that they included the necessary biodiversity options. These last two checks were computerised as well. At that point, which we reached at the end of January, we were finally able to start making payments on plans about which none of the checks had raised queries.

However, fewer than 1,400 plans out of more than 12,000 came through that initial set of screening checks with no queries. The remainder had to be checked manually. Nearly 5,000 of these files have since been processed. In most of those the queries have been fully resolved, though a number have had small reductions applied to the payments because of some deficiency in the plan.

Department staff are making every effort to get the remaining cases processed as soon as possible. There are some plans that are actually ineligible and it is important for the farmers in these cases that a valid application is with the Department by 15 May. Our staff are doing all they can to identify these problem cases but they cannot do everything. The 2009 applications are already arriving in big numbers. Last year, over 7,000 applications came in between 1 April and 15 May. It is too much to expect that Department staff can identify every application with a problem in time for the planner to fix it by 15 May. But nothing in any plan can be put right after that date. That possibility simply does not exist under the regulations we now have to live with. That is why every planner needs to be satisfied that every plan he or she prepares is fully in keeping with the terms and conditions of REPS and the obligations of cross-compliance.

There are particular factors operating in County Mayo which are making the processing of applications somewhat slower than in other counties. There is a large amount of designated Natura land in the county and Natura land qualifies for a higher rate of payment in REPS. Reconciling the Natura areas shown in many REPS plans with the Department's land parcel identification system is not proving straightforward. There is no reason to believe that payments to the farmers concerned will be reduced because of this issue, but to meet our audit requirements it has to be resolved in each case. Department staff are in the process of informing farmers about the situation so that they can get their planners to make any necessary changes to the plans, and this will continue in the coming weeks.

I hope this will be recognised and that it will make a difference that my Department has assigned extra staff to the Mayo offices to help with the exercise. Farmers have been very patient in waiting for their REPS payments this year, especially at a time when cash flow is critical to so many people. I ask for their continued patience while the remaining applications are processed and I ask them to keep their faith in REPS. While it must continue to evolve, to meet changing priorities and to reflect changing circumstances, I am confident that agri-environment will be an important part of EU rural development policy for years to come.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.30 p.m. until 10.30 p.m. on Thursday, 26 March 2009.
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