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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 9 Feb 2023

Vol. 1033 No. 2

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate

National Children's Hospital

Again, I speak on this old chestnut at this stage. An rud atá á lorg agamsa inniu ná cinneadh ón Rialtas go mbeadh ainm an réabhlóidí, Dr. Kathleen Lynn, ar ospidéal na leanaí nua atá le hoscailt an bhliain seo chugainn. Dhéanfadh sé sin aitheantas dá obair mar dhochtúir agus mar cheannródaí mná, leanaí agus cearta. Bean chróga ab ea í ó Chontae Mhaigh Eo.

My proposal, since I first wrote to the then Minister for Health, former Deputy James Reilly in 2013, and the three Ministers for Health since then, is that the State would give due recognition to this daughter of Mullafarry, near Killala in County Mayo, given her contribution to Ireland in many fields, including pioneering in the male-dominated medical field in the late 1890s up to her death in 1955. Dr. Lynn had received her medical degree at the age of 25 and she continued caring for patients until she was in her 80s. Dr. Lynn died at the age of 81 and was buried at Deansgrange Cemetery in 1955. Dr. Lynn worked in Dublin's Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital and was a GP in Rathmines before she and a number of other female medics set up Teach Naomh Ultáin, St. Ultan's Hospital, which was a paediatric hospital that cared for those in crying need in this city at the time, and throughout the country. That was in 1919.

Given that we are coming to the end of the decade of centenaries, and given the site of the new children's hospital being built at the South Dublin Union at St. James' Hospital, it is appropriate to name the hospital after the only female commandant in charge of a republican garrison during the Rising. Dr. Kathleen Lynn had joined the Irish Citizens' Army on its founding in 1913, along with many other women. They helped out also during the Lock-out. Dr. Lynn was the Irish Citizens' Army's surgeon general and she took over the role of commandant in the City Hall outpost when Sean Connolly was shot dead on that roof very early in the republicans' occupation of City Hall. Dr. Lynn was arrested, held in Richmond Barracks and then sent to England. Dr. Lynn held firm and, in 1917, was on the reorganised Sinn Féin Ard Comhairle and was active during the War of Independence and the Civil War. Dr. Lynn was elected a Teachta Dála in 1923 for Dublin County and was a councillor for ten years, being one of the very early female Deputies. In recent weeks Dr. Lynn has been acknowledged at the bottom of the main staircase in Leinster House in a fabulous portrait, among many other views of women. I encourage people to look at that.

Dr. Lynn's hospital became famous for pioneering the care of children, especially towards the end of the Spanish flu epidemic and the roll-out of the BCG vaccine that helped to eradicate TB in Ireland. Given the past few years, naming the hospital after a female medic would also honour female medics of today and their role, along with the rest of the medical staff and teams in our hospitals today, in tackling the Covid pandemic. A Church of Ireland woman, Dr. Lynn's hospital was never allowed to prosper in the State and was sidelined until its closure in the 1980s. There was a proposal in 1935 that the hospital would be amalgamated with the State's national children's hospital, but this was opposed by the then Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, Dr. Edward Byrne, who said that an amalgamation would undermine the faith of Catholic children and that it would not be safe. He said there would be a widespread attack on children's morals through the medium of medicine. Given the ongoing debate on the role of the Catholic church in institutional sex abuse then and after, this charge rings very hollow.

This would perhaps be another appropriate reason to name the hospital after Dr. Kathleen Lynn.

I thank Deputy Ó Snodaigh for raising this Topical Issue matter and I apologise for being here on behalf of the Department of Health. By raising this matter, the Deputy gave me the opportunity and impetus to spend more time reading about Dr. Kathleen Lynn. I am glad I had that opportunity to learn more about this extraordinary woman who was a suffragette, a woman of Mayo, after my own heart, a professional woman, a woman Deputy, and a paediatric medic. There is nothing not to like and I have been encouraged to learn more about her.

The new children's hospital, which I had the good fortune to have the opportunity to visit when I was a member of the Committee of Public Accounts, is a key enabler of a major strategic reform of healthcare services for children and young people, informed by A New National Model of Care for Paediatric Healthcare in Ireland. As the Deputy knows, it will bring together the three children's hospitals into one, consolidating expertise and research excellence to ensure the best outcomes for the children of Ireland.

When I visited the hospital, I was very much struck by the totally different approach that parents and children will experience when they are there. The in-room care that can be provided by parents for their children in a safe and comfortable way is in contrast to the experience so many parents have in children’s hospitals around Ireland. People do not realise that when parents have a child in hospital they have to be there the entire time. Until people go through that, they do not really understand it. The level of care parents provide to their children in hospitals is extraordinary. The Government has taken more and more steps to provide support to parents who should be aware that additional needs payments are available to them for all of the extra costs incurred when a parent is with a child in a hospital, ranging from parking and food to the additional childcare and accommodation costs that can arise. Sometimes we do not recognise that.

As the Deputy is aware, the new children's hospital will be supported by two satellite centres at Connolly and Tallaght hospitals. These are major milestones in the wider reform effort. In 2022, for example, more than 22,000 children presented to Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown and more than 92% were discharged home after their visit, keeping them away from the more acute hospitals. There have also been over 15,000 outpatient attendances at Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown. Over 36,000 children presented to the emergency care unit at Tallaght in 2022, with over 4,000 outpatient attendances. Both of the satellite centres provide a new model of ambulatory care, fully aligned with Sláintecare, ensuring the right care is available in the right place at the right time in an effort to keep care away from the acute hospitals.

The physical building is progressing at pace on the new children's hospital site. I am told by the Department of Health that as the physical building progresses, that there is an emerging need for a permanent name to be assigned to the hospital. I apologise to the Deputy that I do not have a better answer for him than this but I will convey to him what I have been told. In light of this need, the process for naming the new children’s hospital is under consideration. I rang Department officials to try to get a better and more thorough answer for the Deputy in respect of timing, process and other matters. I did not get an answer, however, for which I am sorry. I am also embarrassed by the quality of answer I have for the Deputy. I hope the Department of Health will follow up with the Deputy directly to outline what the process will be and at what pace it will proceed. Nevertheless and notwithstanding that omission, the delivery of the new hospital is a crucial milestone for parents with children with long-term and ongoing care and medical needs. It is a positive step forward to see the satellite centres working in advance of that.

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire Stáit and I thank her for going off-script. It is important that Ministers stand up once and for all and assert themselves. I have received the same answer for the five years since Children’s Health Ireland was set up. This is its role and it involves State and the public money. The campaign to have the national children's hospital named after Dr. Kathleen Lynn is not a party political one - Dr. Maurice Manning and Dr. Martin Mansergh have supported it, as have many other historians - and it is not being pursued only on the basis of history. Dr. Lynn's legacy is bigger than the role she played on major historical occasions.

As we approach the end of the decade of centenaries, this being the final year, it would be appropriate for the process to be concluded quickly and the hospital named, even if that means the Minister or somebody else issuing guidance to Children’s Health Ireland. In addition, as the Minister of State said, we have a fabulous building, which I too have visited. Hopefully, it will do exactly what has been promised and the hospital will learn from the teachings of Dr. Kathleen Lynn and other revolutionary doctors, such as Dr. Dorothy Stopford Price, Dr. Madeleine ffrench-Mullen, and all the other medical staff. The first hospital was run by women from start to finish and they set the bar very high for every other paediatric hospital. I firmly believe that on that basis alone, this is an opportunity for us to reflect what was happening in Teach Naomh Ultan at 37 Charlemont Street way back then when the hospital was set up. We seemed to lose our way for a while but at least now there is the potential to have this new hospital. It is opening next year but will, I hope, be handed over very early in the new year and patients will see the benefit of it. Perhaps they would also see the benefit if it was named after Kathleen Lynn.

I would certainly love to see the hospital named after a strong, professional, capable woman. That would be wonderful. We have so many things named after men in every walk of life. I do not pretend to be qualified enough or to know enough to be able to assess Dr. Lynn's position in this relative to the other medics who might be in contention. When the hospital is opened I would love to see it named after a strong woman.

It seems to me, however, that when the Deputy asks a question regarding the process he should be given an answer on whether it has started, if there are plans to start it and when that will be. There is a campaign on this and the very least the State should do is to provide an answer, even if that means saying this is not being done yet but will be done on 1 March, or whenever. That would at least provide some clarity and an answer. The answer I was given for reply to the Deputy in the House was not adequate. The least people can do is provide clarity.

Road Projects

I thank the Ceann Comhairle's office for selecting this matter. I also thank the Minister of State for attending. While she is not a Minister in the Department of Transport, it is great she is here.

I have raised a number of times the need to upgrade the N25 between Carrigtwohill and Midleton, County Cork, and will continue to do so. The House just debated housing. The good news is that there are plans to build over 2,500 housing units just outside Midleton. The process is well under way and planning applications have been made, or are in the process of being made, for some of them. Some of the developers are going ahead and it is looking good. However, I have looked through the traffic and transportation assessments made in respect of three projects and which the council has also done. They all state that the N25 road needs upgrading. One assessment states, for example, that the existing junctions will be operating above capacity and will require upgrading. An analysis shows that the junction can accommodate the proposed phase 1 but, after that, it will be at its limit and further development would be reliant on a Cork County Council infrastructure upgrade. Another assessment states the interchange would be unable to accommodate future planned population growth unless road infrastructure improvements are implemented, and so on.

Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII, has stated that the proposed development shall be undertaken strictly in accordance with the recommendations of the transport assessment. The transport assessment states the road need upgrading. My concern is that this housing development could be put at risk unless the road is upgraded.

There were plans afoot for, and €1.3 million was spent on, the Midleton to Carrigtwohill road scheme. The first public consultation was held in October 2020 and the option selection process went ahead after that. The public consultation presented feasible options for developing the scheme within the defined study area. That was on display from July 2021 to September 2021. However, the plug was pulled on the entire project in December 2021. I have been raising this matter consistently.

I have just come from a select committee meeting with the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Coveney, at which we spoke about an unbelievable IDA Ireland-owned site beside the N25. It is fully serviced and has been idle for the past 15 years. It covers 133 acres, with water and sewage services provided at great expense to the taxpayer all those years ago, but cannot be used because the road infrastructure is not adequate. IDA Ireland tells us the reason the site is not used is that the road is inadequate. The agency has people looking for sites like this one but they cannot locate at this site for that reason. The Minister indicated that if a developer or project were to appear on the horizon, the State would move in and do the road.

Much work has already been done on this road and a lot of money has been spent. Why stop it now? Why not just continue? Even with the best will in the world, it will take a number of years before we see shovels in the ground because land has to undergo compulsory purchase orders and people have to apply for planning permissions and all kinds of other things. The plug was pulled halfway through.

The other major issue that concerns me is that this road is extremely busy. There are 30,000 vehicle movements a day on it that move very quickly. I have written to Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII. It agrees with me that there are serious safety worries regarding this road and it talked about addressing them. If it is to do so, it will cost an awful lot of money to make the road safe. The answer is to proceed with the original plan, build the other road that was proposed, take away my concerns with respect to the housing development, open up the IDA site, which will have investment, and make the road safe.

I raised this matter with the former Taoiseach, Deputy Micheál Martin, and he did not disagree with me. He was there when Amgen came to Ireland and planned to build a major factory employing 1,100 people a long time ago. I want to hear what the Minister of State says regarding this matter.

I thank the Deputy. This is an issue he has raised many times. I am glad to speak to him about it. When we consider that part of the country, there is a capacity for development, as the Deputy said, and not only because of the IDA site. There is a strategic opportunity for that part of the country having regard to offshore wind, for example, and the transport of turbines from Rosslare Port and other ports along the south coast to the south west, where our most extraordinary strategic advantage as an island nation happens to be. To develop wind energy would secure our energy sustainability, allow us to export energy and deliver 12-month-per-year jobs right up the western seaboard, with technicians and others working there to support offshore wind activity. Not only is a project like this entirely in line with Project Ireland 2040, it also supports the development of an IDA-owned site at a time when we are constantly looking for further development. It is also part of the strategic development of the State's physical infrastructure into the next two decades and how we provide for our economic, energy and employment sustainability throughout the south west.

There are so many other benefits to this proposed project. It would connect Cork and Rosslare much better and directly benefit the towns of Carrigtwohill and Midleton, which the Deputy is much more familiar with than me. The improvement to the network would enable more reliable journey times, still support, as I said, the strategic development of the south-west region and facilitate economic and commercial growth. The proposed project includes the possibility of developing the existing route for the benefit of local residents through the provision of new cycling and walking facilities, which clearly would promote physical activity in the area. By removing traffic from the existing route, road users would benefit from reduced journey times, certainty and improved road safety, as the Deputy outlined. It would also offer better connections for active travel and public transport.

As the Deputy is aware, due to the fact that the greater portion of national development plan, NDP, funding becomes available in the second half of the decade, there is a constraint on the funding available for new projects this year. Most national road projects in the NDP were progressed in 2022 but projects such as the N25, which did not have the required funding to progress in 2022, remain part of the NDP and will be considered for funding in subsequent years. Allocations for projects in 2023 are in the process of being finalised and will be announced in the near future.

On the current status of the N25 Carrigtwohill to Midleton road, as the Deputy is aware, technical advisors have completed their assessments of the route options and determined a preferred solution. Improvements to crossings over this very busy section of the N25 to enhance active travel, I am told, are being considered as part of the scheme. The Deputy referenced some of those safety improvements. TII was unable to provide an allocation for that project in 2022, given the level of funding available for major roads projects. As a result, progression of the project to design and development of the business case for decision gate 1 under the public spending code was not possible last year. The delivery programme for the project will be kept under review and considered in terms of the overall funding envelope available to TII.

I suggest that considering the overall strategic development of the south west, and the very urgent safety issues the Deputy highlighted, the project should be progressed.

I thank the Minister of State for her encouraging response. I am very grateful for that. As I said, we need housing badly. I am concerned that the delay in upgrading this roadway could put many of these houses at risk. That is very important.

This site is bounded by a rail link at one end and a dual carriageway on the other side. There is an airport that is not so far away at only 20 minutes, a seaport, two universities and, if the housing goes ahead, plenty of houses. It also has water and wastewater facilities from the time when Amgen was there, power, is dead level and is laid out with roads internally. It is ready to go. If the IDA manages to encourage a developer or industry to move to the site shortly, and it arrives but finds it cannot use this site - I understand this has happened a few times already - because road construction is not up to standard, will the State then move on it? Is that what it will take? It is a little like the Kerry Group headquarters that is down the road, which had to put road construction in place in order to make it happen. It is a chicken and egg situation. My argument is that we should move on this. Work has already gone on. There are also people living on this corridor who own land and houses. They cannot sell the land or houses because they are, in effect, frozen until a final decision is made.

We also have the Celtic Interconnector, where we are linking with France. That particular cable is coming under the sea and roadway and is landing on this site. I suggested to EirGrid a while ago that it put its converter station on the site, which it is doing. The site will also have that kind of power plus a very powerful Internet connection that will go along with that. This makes the site extraordinarily attractive but it has been sitting there for 15 years. As I said, housing is at risk and the road is not safe. It is very dangerous. I call on the TII, if it is listening, to get its act together and put some interim works in place, as it promised me it would a year ago, to make that road safer. My worry is there will be a pile-up someday and there will be loss of life.

I thank the Deputy for outlining the strategic benefits of this project. I work with the IDA in my role as the Minister of State with responsibility for financial services. I have a very strong interest in making sure sites are available and ready throughout the island. The Ireland for finance strategy has a very strong regional focus and it is very important to me that suitable sites are available. It would be a matter of embarrassment to bring somebody to a green field with no road. I certainly hope that will not persist and that TII is listening, even on a Thursday evening, to a debate in the House to hear the case the Deputy has repeatedly made for the development of this road.

Again, if we are to be strategic about the development of this island, concentrating on facilities, planning, the grid infrastructure network the Deputy described, the interconnector network, the roads network and the planning for ports in respect of the development of offshore wind in the Atlantic, the opportunity that gives us in sustainability and jobs into the future is quite extraordinary. Every single part of the State needs to be alive and awake to that, and to make plans for it. It seems to me TII is as responsible as any other entity in regard to its own planning. It would appear from the advocacy the Deputy has made regarding the road, that this project fits in in every possible way. I certainly hope it progresses.

Road Network

I thank the Minister of State for being present and the Ceann Comhairle for allowing me to raise this particular issue regarding what is described as a rampart road. Such a road is built on peat, is raised, and has the unfortunate habit of deteriorating very quickly in a short space of time. This road is in a very historic area. It runs from the location where I hold my clinic, which we politicians have to do on a regular basis, from the historic location at Ballagh in Donadea. It is now Connolly's pub; it used to be Taaffe's. The road goes westward from there, past another historic place, Roche's pub. I do not spend my time travelling to all the pubs but the road passes them. It goes past Roche's pub and continues for another three or four miles almost to Timahoe.

The problem is that the road is now in a dangerous condition. This is not due to potholes. There are no potholes and the surface is smooth but every foot or yard there is a massive depression where the road has subsided. Anyone travelling more than 30 mph is in danger of overturning their car. The road is in a dangerous condition.

These obstacles are to be found every yard. If you get five yards without such an obstruction, you are very lucky, so the road is dangerous and is getting worse. The reason it has got so bad so quickly is that it delivers a lot of heavy traffic, there has been a lot of investment in the immediate area, which is in the middle of the countryside, and a lot of jobs arising from that. There is a lot of transport traffic necessitated by the location of those jobs in the area. The important thing, however, is that we register the message in whatever quarter is relevant of the need to do something about this to address the condition of the road in the next fortnight or three weeks at the latest because something will happen. There will be an accident and it can be averted if we deal with it now.

I thank Deputy Durkan for bringing this matter and the condition of the road to the House's attention.

The improvement and maintenance of regional and local roads is the statutory responsibility of each local authority in accordance with the Roads Act 1993, as amended. Works on those roads are funded from councils' own resources supplemented by State road grants, where applicable. I am told that the maintenance of the rampart road from Ballagh to Timahoe in County Kildare is, therefore, the direct responsibility of Kildare County Council.

The Department of Transport says that it provides grant funding to assist local authorities in carrying out their functions as the statutory road authorities. Within the available budget, the Department's grant funding for the maintenance of regional and local roads is allocated, the Department says, on as fair and as equitable a basis as possible to eligible local authorities. Grants in the main grant categories are allocated based on the length of the road network within a local authority's area of responsibility, with some account taken of traffic.

As the Deputy says, the matter of the construction and improvement of road on peatlands has always been a very challenging task in geotechnical engineering. Rampart roads, which are generally narrow raised roads without verges, can be constructed over peat, but particular difficulties, as the Deputy said, arise with roads over peat because peat provides such a poor foundation for road pavement as it is frequently weak and highly compressible compared with more normal subsurfaces, such as boulder clay. Because of that, it is very hard to maintain a high level of serviceability on such roads. Councils have approached the Department from time to time asking whether the cost and difficulty of maintaining roads over peat could be taken into account in the grant allocation process. The Department's position on that is that grant allocations based primarily on the length of network in a particular local authority are seen as the most equitable approach. If other criteria such as road condition, for example, were used as a basis for grants, then, the Department says, that could have the effect of rewarding councils that do not prioritise roads maintenance when allocating their own resources.

As part of its policy development role, the Department has initiated a review of existing guidance on the management of roads over peat with a view to assessing performance of different methodologies to provide updated guidance.

I am not exactly sure what that last bit means - forgive me - but I think the Department is cognisant of the particular difficulty with peat.

I thank the Minister. That is what I am trying to do - to provide that guidance. Suffice it to say that the condition of the road as it stands is sufficiently serious for the local authority - or whoever else wishes to take responsibility - to take some action of a nature that will render the road compliant with health and safety regulations. That is a requirement regardless of who does it. I raise this matter on the basis, first of all, of unusually heavy traffic, which has been established, and that the road, to be fair, on both ends is in good condition, even though part of that is rampart road as well. The local authorities long ago achieved a measure of dealing with rampart roads by reinforcing the tarmac, steel, mesh reinforcing or whatever the case may be, so it works very well. The local authority is very familiar with this. It can do it. I ask at this stage that whoever can do it, whoever has to put their finger on the button to start it, start now, if possible, because we cannot wait for an accident. We cannot wait and know that a road is substandard and does not comply with health and safety regulations. If we did not know about it, it would not be too bad, but I travelled across it the other evening and it was appalling. I know I have a bad back, but it is not that bad. It was nearly broken when I got to the end of the road.

I thank the Minister of State for the reply and the Ceann Comhairle for allowing the debate to take place. I ask that whoever wishes to take responsibility for this do it now before it is too late.

As the Department of Transport has asked me to set out, Kildare County Council is the statutory authority responsible for the Ballagh-to-Timahoe road, as the Deputy will be aware. However, the Department also says that it will advise the council of the Deputy's concerns about the condition of this road, though I suspect that the Deputy has managed to bring those concerns to Kildare County Council by his own good office.

As for the question of managing roads over peat, I did not give the Deputy this additional detail. The Department established recently a working group which includes representatives from local authorities with experience of managing roads over peat to review the existing guidance and to update the recommended approach to rehabilitation, recognising how much more difficult it is and taking into account any new or innovative maintenance methods. However, I think the Department is well aware of the Deputy's concerns and I am sure the county council is also. That is the statutory authority at present.

I thank the Minister of State.

Institutes of Technology

I congratulate the Minister of State and wish her well in her new role.  It is a really interesting one and I am sure she will be excellent in it.

The Government is happy to increase the numbers of people living in inner-city communities.  For decades, Governments have been happy to increase the numbers of homeless services in inner-city communities; the number of homeless hostels; and the numbers of Housing First allocations in the flat complexes.  The Government is happy to increase the number of asylum seekers in the inner city.  All this time, the Government neglected flats and the inner city.  The Government has no interest in increasing the facilities and services available to residents living in the flats and living in the inner city.  Neglect of the inner-city communities will be the legacy of this Government, along with neglect of those living in the flat complexes.  There needs to be investment in the flats and in the services and facilities in the inner city.  The residents in the inner city protesting on Aungier Street are not extreme right-wing or fanatics.  They are ordinary working families who have been let down by successive governments.  They have gone above and beyond to welcome people into the community, people whom other communities did not want.   They took in the homelessness services which other communities would not take and took in drug rehabilitation services which other communities would not take. While there is a diverse community in Dublin 2 and 8, the Government continues to increase the number of people in the inner city without increasing facilities and services.

  The Dublin Institute of Technology, DIT, campus on Aungier Street represents a huge opportunity to reverse the neglect by the Government.  It offers an opportunity for the State to make some small amends for decades of neglect.  The DIT building is a huge site and a huge asset for the State.  It offers a real opportunity to deliver some essential services and facilities for residents living in the Dublin 2 and 8 area.  The nearby DIT building on Kevin Street was sold off to a private developer some years ago.  It will add nothing to the local community in terms of the facilities and services that are needed for a functioning community.  This development will just add more pressure to services and facilities.  The DIT site in Aungier Street cannot just be sold off and more residents added to the community, which is already bursting at the seems.  The Government needs to ensure that additional services and facilities are put in place.  The neglect of the flats needs to stop.  One positive measure that would help that would be that the community would have a publicly accessible leisure and sports centre on the site of the DIT in Aungier Street.  That would be a great and necessary asset for a community that is at capacity, for everyone, especially a community that has been neglected for years.

I thank the Deputy for raising the matter of giving consideration to keeping the Aungier Street campus in public ownership and the lack of public facilities in the area. On the question of the Aungier Street campus, the property is currently fully in the ownership of Technological University, TU, Dublin. Under the terms of the Grangegorman Development Agency Act 2005, both TU Dublin and the Grangegorman Development Agency, GDA, are together responsible for the disposal of assets, including the Aungier Street property. The funding realised by the disposal of these assets will then be reinvested in the Grangegorman campus. The property was listed for disposal on the State property register in September 2019 with no interest being indicated by the State sector in retaining the property in public ownership. On that basis, the GDA and TU Dublin have incorporated the disposal of the property into their funding plans for relocation to Grangegorman. Both the GDA and TU Dublin are mandated by the 2005 Act to obtain the best value from any property disposal so as to maximise the resources available for the Grangegorman development and to reduce the need for direct Exchequer funding. Dublin City Council recently debated the rezoning of Aungier Street as part of the preparation and approval of its development plan but the council decided to maintain the zoning as is.

The west quad is the new home on the Grangegorman site for the relocated business school and is being funded through the sale of TU Dublin's property on Aungier Street. In 2020, that sale was put on hold due to market instability caused by Covid-19 and is expected to resume again in 2023. The west quad will be home to approximately 4,000 students from the TU Dublin College of Business currently in Aungier Street, and the School of Languages and Law. It will also host the university conferring hall which will have a capacity of approximately 800 people.

I appreciate that the development of Grangegorman is of strategic interest to the Deputy but also that it is on the other side of the river and outside the Deputy's immediate constituency. Deputy Andrews's responsibility is to his own area - I do not mean that in any critical way - and my responsibility is to the people of Dún Laoghaire, not of Dublin 8 either. I totally respect and understand that. In terms of the question around serviced properties and the other facilities for the area, it is important to highlight the range of education services being provided by the Department of Education. Sandymount Educate Together Secondary School was established in 2016 and will ultimately cater for 1,000 pupils. Similarly, Harold's Cross Educate Together Secondary School will cater for 1,000 pupils. While I know these schools are not in the immediate area to which Deputy Andrews refers, they are proximate to it. I know both of those schools well. At primary level, Harold's Cross Educate Together National School, Gaelscoil Eoin, Harcourt Terrace Educate Together National School and Shellybanks Educate Together National School are all providing additional school places in the area.

I would raise one note of concern with the Deputy. It is very important that communities that are taking in people from a whole range of different places are supported, particularly through the €450 million community fund announced by the Minister for Social Protection. That money is available to communities for better facilities and I would encourage the Deputy to look at every opportunity to avail of some of that funding for his own constituency. However, I would have a concern around the language used and references to Dublin city taking in more and more asylum seekers. Everywhere is taking in more asylum seekers, right across every constituency. There have been tensions in Aungier Street, with very many good people coming out to balance and moderate that but there have also been some difficulties there. We genuinely do not want to do anything that adds to or inflames those difficulties. It is important that every community is supported. Every community is taking in people right across the country and will have to continue to do so.

I thank the Minister of State for her response. The DIT campus on Aungier Street is a huge facility and is going to be redeveloped. Ultimately, it will probably be a build-to-rent building like the one at the DIT site on Kevin Street. That building will be 14 storeys high and will have a huge impact on the area. The construction is already having a huge impact on local residents on Kevin Street and Bishop Street. It is not going to add anything to the area. It is going to bring in a huge number of people.

As I said, the area lacks sports facilities for local sports and football clubs. I know the Minister of State is associated with Granada Football Club, which is a fantastic club with great facilities and that is great to see. I know the club could always do with more facilities but the reality is that for those around Kevin Street there is a tiny pitch - it is hardly the size of the floor space in this room - on Digges Street. Kids training and playing for any of the local clubs, including the Iveagh Trust or the Iveagh Celtic club and Aungier Street have to travel to Crumlin to play on a full sized astro turf pitch or even to train on a decent sized astro turf or grass pitch. They have to travel quite a significant distance and it is very hard to get young children to travel such distances just to train on a Tuesday and Thursday evening. The Iveagh Celtic club and the Aungier Street club do fantastic work in the local community but they do not have the facilities.

I met a group of older people yesterday who were saying that there are no facilities in the area. We do not even have a swimming pool. Lots of areas have pools and sports facilities which are so important for a functioning, healthy community but they are all lacking in the area. There is no reason sports facilities cannot be made available on the Aungier Street campus. I am not suggesting that we take over the entire DIT campus but that we develop a sports and leisure centre on the site. That is very doable and realistic but there must be a commitment and an acknowledgement that communities in the inner city have been neglected for years. We must make amends for that and that is what this Government needs to do.

I agree with the Deputy in every respect. I would highlight the great work done by the north-east inner city working group which attempted to do much of what the Deputy advocates on the north side of the city. I agree that historically, the Liberties area has not had the same focus and is particularly deprived of playing facilities. I have done a lot of work with Mr. Eddie D'Arcy of the Solas Project, based in the Liberties, and am well aware of the challenges with regard to access to playing space. It is one of the most acute challenges.

The Deputy is quite right to highlight Granada Football Club. It is a wonderful club with 1,300 players but it struggles for playing space. It is the single biggest challenge in many respects for clubs right across my constituency, where there is far more green space than there is in Deputy Andrews's local area. There are similar housing pressures in both constituencies but there is more green space in mine. It is so important to develop that in the inner city and to protect it where it exists in the inner city. At the same time, we have to work out the opportunities for future development. The population is going to continue to grow but we have a finite amount of space. We are not going to start building football pitches in the middle of roads so we are going to have to figure something different out. I am being imaginative here now, but would the Deputy support a range of 13- to 15-storey buildings in the inner city, each with a swimming pool available to the community and a football pitch on the roof? How are we going to reimagine space in the inner city, in a mid-size European capital city with a growing population? We have the same amount of space. We cannot turn people away, and we cannot say "No" to development and population growth. We want people to be here. We want them to work but we also want them to have a good lifestyle as well. We are going to have to look at the models in other cities, where there are much higher-density buildings but much better facilities within those buildings too. As I look around the world, in different places, I see that sort of development. I see 13- and 14-storey buildings with exceptionally good facilities which are made available to the occupants and the people living in the surrounding area. I do not see that replicated here and I wonder what the vision will be in Deputy Andrews's constituency, as much as in my constituency, for accommodating that additional growth and the services that people need.

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